http://video.foxnews.com/v/4234349/f...ylist_id=86856


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and the loudest voice in the thread is not, I know you hate Americans, but at least try to see that many of us are not supportive of these events, you just need a reason to hate us.

go burn a flag or something

I meant an act of war on the part of the U.S.
Our guy violated their space and killed one of their people. Not the other way around.

I was an ordnance & bomb Specialist 4 soldier in the U.S. Army and a combat veteran from the Iraq War in 1991. Those are my credentials.

I am very relieved that you are not in a position of authority.

I'm still with the philosophy that if you throw rocks at an armed guard you're taking your life in your own hands... regardless of location...

How about a little self responsibility?! FFS it's like a myth now...

I'm going to start showing up at people's houses and throwing rocks at them... see what happens.

what, no gas chambers?

You're straight up, fascist scum

something tells me if you came to my house, threw a rock, and I shot you as you ran away, Id be in jail for murder.

as a responsible gun owner, that would more than likely be the outcome. You dont shoot people running away from you.

Again, they have violated our space far before this, decades of it... they enter our Country, military and Mexican people, and murdered and kidnapped our citizens.


Oh, so either your bullshitting or you know people throwing rocks at you, can and does kill people, and is very much a deadly weapon and more than enough reason to fire back.

Is EOD not part of the Grunts in the Army? In the Marines, they're the sick ones waiting for the car to get on the bridge.... so either you did the normal army war vacation or your bullshitting us here with your double standards.

He wasn't running away... that was other Mexicans. You also aren't the military, police or gov agent here to protect others and yourself at damn near all costs. However if you could prove your life was in real danger, it wouldn't be murder.

i don't hate americans. I hate amerikkkans. get it straight dipshit.

You have no idea what fascism is...

so lets rephrase it.

Say you came to my house, threw a rock and stood there and I came outside and shot you, it really makes no difference. Id be in jail for murder. I didnt come up with the throw rock at house analogy that was posted above, Im pointing out hos silly it is.

was being sarcastic you fucking moron

That's not what happened though and your personal life situations can never be the same... The military/police have a "right" to self protection.

What if that BP agent would have been knocked out by a rock, not killed - just knocked out. Do you think those Mexicans would have left him alone - remember he has a gun they can take?

That's how you justify protection.

1. I am not "bullshitting" anyone. I have official government records to prove my service, and plenty of personal photographs of my time in that Hell. If I was going to lie about it, I would have said I was a Captain.

2. We are talking about an Agent of the U.S. Government killing a foreign citizen on foreign soil. If you can't understand what that means, you are beyond help.

3. I do not deny that there have been killings at the border before this. I would like you to show me a single incident where an agent of the Mexican Government shot and killed one of our civilians over the border.

4. Belittling the efforts of soldiers in combat gains you zero points. It only makes you a douchebag. And for the record I was one of the first groups to go to Iraq, and one the last to leave. So fuck you.

If I threw a rock at YOU and you shot me... you'd be going to court... to see if it was justified (AKA your life was in danger).

youve never even spelled it that way before this post LOL I just did a search and you only use "amerikkans" to describe us LOL

fuck off your threads are always anti-american dont try to come off differently.

killing this mexican kid is a good start.. i hope the US starts getting more aggressive with protecting their borders by any means necessary... furthermore, i hope mexico starts to take an agressive stance with the US. mexico has thousands of miles of oceanfront that would look great draped in good ole red, white, and blue...






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hard to tell when you spew right-wing horseshit 24/7

Oh, I have right to self protection too more so than some of you in other states, I live under Castle Doctrine law state, so youre probably right, I could shoot you for throwing rock at me LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

castle doctrine includes my car too LOL

hey, youre right, I could shoot you.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

u dumb as hell.

Hahah ok you got me there, I did mean at a person though... and I like that Castle Doctrine :D That's win in my book.

Does anyone else see the irony here? :1orglaugh

Lemme guess, you're trying to call out my purposeful bad spelling and grammar?

U dumb as hell, too.

in fairness, I reread it, you said "at them" so i edited it out heheh no worries man, Im just discussing things, I dont want to have to shoot anyone, ever.

But yes, castle Doctrine is something very few states have left. Our state being one of them, we have no duty to retreat, and are a stand your ground state. if you in my home, or try to break in my car while my family there, I dont even need permit to carry in my car and can shoot you dead.

The law favors self protection over a criminals right to be in your house LOL

I just think chucking rocks isnt really a need to kill someone, but thats just me i guess, others would love to shoot people as the doc says, kill everything or kill nothing - im not barbaric and cherish the freedom to possess firearm so id never use it in childish kill all manner.

im prolly one of the only gun owners on this forum that hopes i never have to pull it LOL

most people get guns and are like "cant wait to blow a motherucker away" - i got mine to protect my self and family, but realize this is not a toy and someone will end up dead, but break in my home while we asleep and yes I will pull the trigger.

I got rid of my guns a few years ago. It's easy enough to kill a man without one.
EDIT: I'm not against guns. I'm against the improper use of them by people that do not understand when and where they should be used.

2) It doesn't make it murder and that was the point. Mexico can say it's an act of war, who cares what they say...

3) No way I could find them all, it's literally 100's of times in the last 10 years. But Phoenix is #3 for kidnappings behind Mexico city. Mostly blamed on Mexican Drug cartels, using Mexican Military items... so it's like, they drug dealers that work for the Mexican Gov... crazy, I know.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/mexic...es-border.html
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/sta...r_US_home.html
http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=436846
http://www.military.com/news/article...order-dam.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100314/...mexico_murders (bit different)

4) I'm not belittling the Army, it is what it is.. you were either fighting and are now spewing a double standards, or you sat on your ass and deposed of shit and now think you can speak your morals. No reason to pretend war isn't equal for everyone.

I agree with you 100%. Which is why I agree with you in instances like this, kid chucks a rock and starts running, is no reason to gun him down.

Protecting you? The US Border Agent executed a Mexican on Mexican soil.

See the video. After the boy is shot for the first time he lays dead or half-dead on the ground. About 5-10 seconds later the US agent shoots him again. Just to make sure he is totally dead.

That was a pure execution. It looked like a scene from some old nazi-movie.

Seriously, how can you defend such actions? Only because the criminal wears a uniform with your flag?

Them state laws :)

I'm not exactly sure what the law in AZ, however I can carry a gun into a bank here. In Texas though, I can shoot you for being on my land, just for trespassing.

No worries, I never take any type of debate personally. My friends and I get together every Thursday at a local pub and debate about all manner of topics. We also have political bashes during elections and invite people from every political classification we can find :) Good times! Never has anyone thought anything less of anyone else it's really a great vibe. I'm lucky enough to have friends who are very open and accepting and understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I guess that's just the type of company I like to keep :thumbsup

It's not a double standard. The U.S. Border Patrol is not at war with Mexico. You might feel like it's a war, but we are not at war with Mexico no matter how you want to spin it. I never murdered any kids in Iraq. Some of them actually did throw rocks at us when we would drive through shanty towns. We threw food & water back at them, not bullets.

Drug cartels are not official agents of the Mexican Government. More spin.

He did not execute him... the body is next to a poll, the body in the video is laying half way down the ditch, which was the first person to be arrested. Then he's standing next to the second when he turns and points his gun at the boy throwing rocks at him - which you could not see on the video.

The brown swarm is now 35% of the US population. 107 million angry muds eyeballing your fat, exposed whyte necks.

good to know, i stopped taking gfy serious years ago, i come here to posst about current shit because ive gotten banned from every single mainstream forum ive tried to post on, my opinion infuriates many, often. LOL

its the only place we can talk like this. its those who resort to personal insults and name calling that are lame, i too, accept everyone opinion, no matter how much it differs with mine, my pinion usually sets people off LOL :thumbsup

I never said we're at war with Mexico, however you said Mexico should take this as an act of war. I did however say it's a war zone here - not a vacation zone, and that is fact. If you go walking along the border, today as an American citizen, you will probably be killed.

You need to wake up and smell reality.



That is one horrible military example to give... You and me, toss out food and water (not when rocks were being thrown) but when we needed to use children as human shields which helped ensure we wouldn't be shot at when crossing through the town.

Maybe you didn't know...

Good. If Americans step onto their soil, let then get gunned down. The same goes for Mexicans stepping onto US soil.

There is only one way to fix this problem and that is to be hard asses on both sides.

Haha! You're kidding right? No one in my unit ever used children as human shields. How do you sleep at night?

wow, what can one even say?

i can see how you say gun down kids, you used them as shields like the media claim palis do, wow. :disgust

Please explain to me Doc, how tossing out MREs and bottled water while standing up on top of a moving HMMV facilitates the use of Iraqi children as some sort of "human shield".

Physics alone destroys that fairy tale.

Think of this... how often were you attacked with those children around you vs. when you didn't have them?

That's why you were authorized to give out food, water and candy while traveling through the city or on patrol. It saves "American" lives...

It's totally messed up. But the reality is, when those children are around - the enemy won't trip road side bombs, shoot at you etc... Normally, nobody is dieing.

Sad reality of that is... human meat shields.

Unless they just pimpskacjed your wife kicked your kid in the balls and spit in your mothers face:winkwink:

We weren't "authorized" to give them anything. We were doing 4-man cross-border incursions from Saudi Arabia to scout for bunkers, bombs, and vehicle parts that could be cannibalized for our own use because we had no supply lines.

Human shields... jesus

So you gave out food and water without authorization, with no supply lines? Bullshit...

Wow :helpme That's pure evil..

Btw... you were a field grunt, sorry to say - you were nothing more than meat shield yourself that did nothing, but obey orders.. PERIOD!

You weren't told what shit was for, other than just to do it. IE: Why you should respect the border agent, doing the jobs they're told to do.

It's not like I knew it was used for this until I was told - and then logic kicked in and said, "Damn, we didn't hardly ever get attacked with kids around us, no freaking wonder we gave out so much shit."

So it gives respect to commit a crime if someone tells you to do it? So the border agent is "innocent" because someone told him (the voice in his head?) to kill that Mexican boy?

Strange that a person is not responsible for his own actions. "someone told me to do it"