Are you? The BP Agent executed an unarmed foreign fucking boy on his own soil for throwing a rock. In my professional opinion, that is an act of war. The U.S. Military is very clear when giving instructions to soldiers in combat: Do Not Fucking Shoot Someone Over The Border.

Apparently the Border Patrol didn't get the memo.

haha look at all these amerikkkans defending a border agent that committed fucking murder.

great spin they dont mention that he was a known juvenile smuggle

Yeppers... of course you can't actually see the kid throwing rocks or the bp agent actually shoot him. So overall the video sucks.

However as the other article says, we have Video showing what happened and openly shared it with the Mexican Gov to speed the investigation along. IE: end the stupidity.

I think they need to stage a shootout.

I agree it is hard as fuck to see what is happening in that video, but the kid was clearly running and I did not see rocks being thrown anywhere. Hopefully a better video is released...

If it was an act of war, America would have declared it long ago. Being that Mexicans have attacked and killed many Americans at the border.

What profession are you in that would make you a professional to a point that you claim this was an act of war?

I have never been given that order before... Our orders were always two things: Kill everything or kill nothing. If we have the orders to protect ourselves, you trow rockS (yes rock as you put it as an S on the end) at me - I'm going to light you up.

In the United States, a civilian may legally use deadly force when it is considered justifiable homicide, that is to say when the civilian feels their own life, or the lives of their family or those around them are in legitimate and imminent danger. However, self-defense resulting in usage of deadly force by a civilian or civilians against an individual or individuals is often subject to examination by a court if it is unclear whether it was necessary at the point of the offense, and whether any further action on the part of the law needs to be taken. -Wikipedia

The question is whether he felt his life was threatened...

OK, the point that should be made. America has the right to protect it's borders. If you throw rocks at someone wearing a gun trying to protect the border, you came from the shallow end of the gene pool and should be shot, border agents have the right to protect themselves. End of story.

The guy that got stunned after running from the cops at the border, got what he deserved. The kid that got shot, what was he doing there? Sorry, don't feel bad for him, I would like to see the video that the border patrol has! They probably have a better one somewhere

AMP, fine, lets declare war, they have been invading us for years, I'm thinking internment camps, mass shipping of illegal aliens back to Mexican soil, cut off all western union money grams and all foreign aid, that would kill off the country.

You never see the gun fire either... so I figure it's probably not the actual video but some other day.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4234349/f...ylist_id=86856


here is some more details

and the loudest voice in the thread is not, I know you hate Americans, but at least try to see that many of us are not supportive of these events, you just need a reason to hate us.

go burn a flag or something

I meant an act of war on the part of the U.S.
Our guy violated their space and killed one of their people. Not the other way around.

I was an ordnance & bomb Specialist 4 soldier in the U.S. Army and a combat veteran from the Iraq War in 1991. Those are my credentials.

I am very relieved that you are not in a position of authority.

I'm still with the philosophy that if you throw rocks at an armed guard you're taking your life in your own hands... regardless of location...

How about a little self responsibility?! FFS it's like a myth now...

I'm going to start showing up at people's houses and throwing rocks at them... see what happens.

what, no gas chambers?

You're straight up, fascist scum

something tells me if you came to my house, threw a rock, and I shot you as you ran away, Id be in jail for murder.

as a responsible gun owner, that would more than likely be the outcome. You dont shoot people running away from you.

Again, they have violated our space far before this, decades of it... they enter our Country, military and Mexican people, and murdered and kidnapped our citizens.


Oh, so either your bullshitting or you know people throwing rocks at you, can and does kill people, and is very much a deadly weapon and more than enough reason to fire back.

Is EOD not part of the Grunts in the Army? In the Marines, they're the sick ones waiting for the car to get on the bridge.... so either you did the normal army war vacation or your bullshitting us here with your double standards.

He wasn't running away... that was other Mexicans. You also aren't the military, police or gov agent here to protect others and yourself at damn near all costs. However if you could prove your life was in real danger, it wouldn't be murder.

i don't hate americans. I hate amerikkkans. get it straight dipshit.

You have no idea what fascism is...

so lets rephrase it.

Say you came to my house, threw a rock and stood there and I came outside and shot you, it really makes no difference. Id be in jail for murder. I didnt come up with the throw rock at house analogy that was posted above, Im pointing out hos silly it is.

was being sarcastic you fucking moron

That's not what happened though and your personal life situations can never be the same... The military/police have a "right" to self protection.

What if that BP agent would have been knocked out by a rock, not killed - just knocked out. Do you think those Mexicans would have left him alone - remember he has a gun they can take?

That's how you justify protection.

1. I am not "bullshitting" anyone. I have official government records to prove my service, and plenty of personal photographs of my time in that Hell. If I was going to lie about it, I would have said I was a Captain.

2. We are talking about an Agent of the U.S. Government killing a foreign citizen on foreign soil. If you can't understand what that means, you are beyond help.

3. I do not deny that there have been killings at the border before this. I would like you to show me a single incident where an agent of the Mexican Government shot and killed one of our civilians over the border.

4. Belittling the efforts of soldiers in combat gains you zero points. It only makes you a douchebag. And for the record I was one of the first groups to go to Iraq, and one the last to leave. So fuck you.

If I threw a rock at YOU and you shot me... you'd be going to court... to see if it was justified (AKA your life was in danger).

youve never even spelled it that way before this post LOL I just did a search and you only use "amerikkans" to describe us LOL

fuck off your threads are always anti-american dont try to come off differently.

killing this mexican kid is a good start.. i hope the US starts getting more aggressive with protecting their borders by any means necessary... furthermore, i hope mexico starts to take an agressive stance with the US. mexico has thousands of miles of oceanfront that would look great draped in good ole red, white, and blue...






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hard to tell when you spew right-wing horseshit 24/7

Oh, I have right to self protection too more so than some of you in other states, I live under Castle Doctrine law state, so youre probably right, I could shoot you for throwing rock at me LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

castle doctrine includes my car too LOL

hey, youre right, I could shoot you.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

u dumb as hell.

Hahah ok you got me there, I did mean at a person though... and I like that Castle Doctrine :D That's win in my book.

Does anyone else see the irony here? :1orglaugh

Lemme guess, you're trying to call out my purposeful bad spelling and grammar?

U dumb as hell, too.

in fairness, I reread it, you said "at them" so i edited it out heheh no worries man, Im just discussing things, I dont want to have to shoot anyone, ever.

But yes, castle Doctrine is something very few states have left. Our state being one of them, we have no duty to retreat, and are a stand your ground state. if you in my home, or try to break in my car while my family there, I dont even need permit to carry in my car and can shoot you dead.

The law favors self protection over a criminals right to be in your house LOL

I just think chucking rocks isnt really a need to kill someone, but thats just me i guess, others would love to shoot people as the doc says, kill everything or kill nothing - im not barbaric and cherish the freedom to possess firearm so id never use it in childish kill all manner.

im prolly one of the only gun owners on this forum that hopes i never have to pull it LOL

most people get guns and are like "cant wait to blow a motherucker away" - i got mine to protect my self and family, but realize this is not a toy and someone will end up dead, but break in my home while we asleep and yes I will pull the trigger.

I got rid of my guns a few years ago. It's easy enough to kill a man without one.
EDIT: I'm not against guns. I'm against the improper use of them by people that do not understand when and where they should be used.

2) It doesn't make it murder and that was the point. Mexico can say it's an act of war, who cares what they say...

3) No way I could find them all, it's literally 100's of times in the last 10 years. But Phoenix is #3 for kidnappings behind Mexico city. Mostly blamed on Mexican Drug cartels, using Mexican Military items... so it's like, they drug dealers that work for the Mexican Gov... crazy, I know.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/mexic...es-border.html
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/sta...r_US_home.html
http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=436846
http://www.military.com/news/article...order-dam.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100314/...mexico_murders (bit different)

4) I'm not belittling the Army, it is what it is.. you were either fighting and are now spewing a double standards, or you sat on your ass and deposed of shit and now think you can speak your morals. No reason to pretend war isn't equal for everyone.

I agree with you 100%. Which is why I agree with you in instances like this, kid chucks a rock and starts running, is no reason to gun him down.

Protecting you? The US Border Agent executed a Mexican on Mexican soil.

See the video. After the boy is shot for the first time he lays dead or half-dead on the ground. About 5-10 seconds later the US agent shoots him again. Just to make sure he is totally dead.

That was a pure execution. It looked like a scene from some old nazi-movie.

Seriously, how can you defend such actions? Only because the criminal wears a uniform with your flag?