The BP agent is innocent because he was protecting himself. Someone told him, he is allowed to protect himself - crazy I know.

The food & water we tossed them was ours. We went hungry. (until we got back to our unit's position). I repeat, we never used children as "human shields". I don't know how you operate, but I am not a cowardly weasel.

Of course not, he's a moron who hasn't ever said anything remotely intelligent on here. I enjoy reading the self hating American posts. Once again, makes me glad that some of you are the lowest of the lowest:)

I had a great time with great people in Reynosa, Mexico in the late 90's.

It is now a war zone.

So sad.

I'm anti-left wing, not right wing, if you bothered to read what I post. Just because I think our President is a racist asshole, doesn't mean I'm right wing, I'm not a GOP, I don't believe in the two party system, I have conservative veiws, so before you start judgeing me ASSHOLE, read what I have to say.

You know if it weren't for this political correctness we all have to follow, the world would be in a better place. If the border is a problem, then the asshole in charge should do something about it. Or are you telling me we can take over a country but can't protect our own? These asshole's are coming into our country and murdering, rapeing, running drugs and kidnapping and you guys are concerned for some idiot that was stupid enough to throw a rock at a cop.

We didn't use them as human shields, it's what they become when you hand out food/water to them in areas that you would normally be attacked. I'm simply stating what the reality of what they are - you're the one acting as if we held them up to take bullets for us.

I'm sure the one or two times you gave them your food/water because you were nice, doesn't really count... however you did give them out on patrol as well and were ordered to do (documented in the media, live video, and military video) so and if you didn't directly, you damn well know someone that did.

And again, the reality is... when children were around, the bullets and bombs stopped.

This is the safety rebuttal from the left. They need to make a strong emotional rebuttal when someone doesn't agree with them, doesn't even have to be logical(it never is anyway).

Odd, there were plenty of charred carcasses we bulldozed into a pit, some children. The bombs did not discriminate. But they were killed by bombs, not executed by soldiers. Border Patrol is out there picking people off because his feelings got hurt because some hispanic kid threw a rock at him and called him a pussy.

Ahh fuck, i'm sick of bolding your right-wing rhetoric.

You couldn't possibly be more right wing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

you exhibited pretty much every right-wing trait with that post. good job mr. "not right-wing"

That wasn't the point... you tried to take a moral high ground using Military action as an example, and I simply pointed out how you followed orders and what that did by doing so, unknown to you.

Yet now you want to scream bad doing by the BP agents.. well buddy, during the time you were in Iraq, they had a ton of 11-15 year soldiers....

Much like the border agent, following orders and protecting himself, at all costs. It's not like BP agents haven't been greatly hurt by rocks, it's not like our BP jeeps and cars aren't mini-tanks with cages around them to stop the rocks from fucking them up.

Stop acting like this is some innocent kid, it's not.

well whats really messed up is that you guys think that it "stopped" people from attacking, my gut instinct is there are probably more instances of children being blown up along side soldiers than you care to admit because of stuff like this but you guys would never admit to that and only want us to think it stopped them. Maybe sometime, but I doubt "all the time" - chances are we'd never know about the burned carcasses anyway, no matter what it would be covered up, as it always is. I can imagine the headline: "we were handing out candy and they just ambushed us!"

very sad that our military is reduced to same tactics of hamas type groups.

Are you actually of the opinion that someone like this, that is supposed to be trained, is in FEAR for his life from an unarmed boy?

http://brokenzombie.com/junk_bin/gfy/borderpatrol.jpg

Sounds to me like he chose the wrong line of work.

that fact that you're completely ignorant to your own ideology is the most hilarious part.

you are a text book amerikkkan.

headline: Soldiers Handing Out candy Attacked By Insurgents!

truth: "Disgraceful Soldiers Using Children As Shields..."

off topic but I wore the new helmets and body armor the military have this week, and man, thats some nice shit. My cousin is in town for a week and had his gear with him, told him he gotta get me one, he laughed and said that will be very hard... he said hed been shot with 9mm and it just pings off LOL rock wouldnt even be felt LOL

Cant recall the round he said it could handle, plates were like 3 inches thick, with kevlar vest lining etc..., very nice, like $3k or some shit, the plates he said were $1600

Better hope no little kids throw rocks at him. I hear rocks go right through kevlar body armor.

And this is how you debate? What happened to the topic? You're like any fucking idiot that can't have a debate because you haven't the mental capacity of even a jar of peanut butter. So instead of debating me, you poke fun at me with a silly fucking grin that has lingered from the 3rd grade. If you're going to debate me, don't put me in a group I don't belong to because it makes it easier to understand where I'm at. I doubt you have ever met anyone like me.

Thats why I liked being on a submarine, they had to find my ass first. I have a picture of the open water on my wall, I tell people its a picture of my ship when I was in the Navy, they say,, I see no ship, reply, EXACTLY

i am not the most knowledgeable with army gear, but it was like this, it velcroed shut and was huge thick plates with kevlar lining etc... weighed like 35 lbs

http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0...rmorImage1.jpg

but it could be newer than this one, but gives an idea, I took a pic its on my cellphone

its the "new" ones, whatever they look like

http://www.army.mil/-images/2007/04/...-04-075805.jpg

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"Please stop making fun of me because I didn't even know I was right wing. UR DA DUM 1!"

HAHA fucking hell. you're hilarious.

Yeah, they're thick, heavy, and pretty indestructible. They won't stop everything, but they are certainly rated to stop rocks. :winkwink:

It's actually very few attacks when the children are around vs. when they aren't. They don't you want to shoot or blowup the neighbors children, understandable.

BP Agents don't look like that... and the boy had rocks, that is considered a deadly weapon.

Border Patrol Agents don't look like that?

Well then, my argument just got easy. It's clear to me then that the U.S. Border Patrol is not properly equipped or trained to do the job. That means they are incompetent, and substituting outright murder for proper equipment & training.

Pull them off the job until it's fixed.

They have different equipment... and even if they had that equipment, I would still support them shooting anyone attacking them for any reason.

Kids throw things. Lots of kids throw rocks. They're kids. That piece of shit BP Agent would've killed that kid if he had thrown a paper airplane at him. He shot him while he was running away.

The guy is a fucking coward murderer.

And you're a blabbering idiot who would do this country a favor by going somewhere else and infecting them with your bullshit.

Thank you Demon. Keep bringing the hate.
I don't know you, your insults mean nothing to me, and your intelligence level is showing.

He wasn't a kid, he was a young man... which knew exactly what he was doing and was already a criminal. Some people were running away, he was behind a pillar throwing rocks.

If he wasn't throwing rocks, he wouldn't have gotten shot.

If he wasn't shot, he wouldn't have been shot.

That BP Agent probably beats his wife and kids at home too. Violent criminals like that have deep psychological problems and violence is rarely isolated to a single event.

Aye but the BP agent then would have been hit in the head with a rock while trying to do his job, knocked out, gun taken, and boot fucked by a 100 Mexicans that would then cross the border to murder more Americans.

Nobody in this thread can be possibly dumber than you, please continue humoring us.

Just when you think he can't get any dumber, he posts another nugget of stupidity.

im glad we have video it is being analyzed and already being used against eh FBIs official statement which claimed the BP agent was "surrounded by group throwing rocks" LOL no he wasnt

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_608181.html

they were running away from him, not surrounding him.

the more its analyzed we will get to the bottom of this, opinions in this thread of "kill em all" etc have nothing to do with the truth, so lets follow investigation.

Clearly the FBi has alreayd begun putting out blatant lies.

Again, improperly equipped for the job. Where was his kevlar helmet to prevent getting "knocked out" by a rock? No equipment? Then they are incompetent.


in·com·pe·tent
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1. not competent; lacking qualification or ability; incapable: an incompetent candidate.
2. characterized by or showing incompetence: His incompetent acting ruined the play.
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a. being unable or legally unqualified to perform specified acts or to be held legally responsible for such acts.
b. inadmissible, as evidence.
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4. an incompetent person; a mentally deficient person.
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I'm just going to gloss over anything else you say. You contribute nothing to this discussion. This is a grown-up discussion. Please go back to doing whatever it is you do.

ffvb man, that guy is not even in this industry and is anti-porn if memory serves me. ignore.

Yea, because it's like the US is sending thousands of illegals into Canada each day. The way I look at it, is Mexico can start bitching how we do things.. When they fucking own up and fix their own shit and help stop these people from entering our country illegally.

I used to have a lil symphony for the illegals as many just want to improve their life's. However lately it's like they feel it's their right to enter our country illegally and we are in the wrong for trying to stop them.

At this point I say fuck Mexico..

He clearly points two different directions in the video, giving instructions... while he had nobody on his backside, it says rocks did land behind him - clearly was people behind or close enough behind him. Mexicans were yelling it too and he also told them to stop and back off - and they didn't.

The first statement by the FBI also said this was what was told to them, and they're looking into it - that's very far from lies.

cool all that has not much to do with what you quoted but cool, i agree mexico needs to fix itself, however, I understand outrage at someone shooting a teen for throwing rocks, its as simple as that.

you or i thoughts on Illegal immigration really doesnt have much to do with this incident.

4:20 :rasta

They're underfunded and funded by the States which are under funded... it's not the BP agents job to supply the gear and the agency just can't go out and pay for it either. So saying they're incompetent is... well delusional - on the entire subject at hand.

de·lu·sion
Pronunciation: \di-ˈlü-zhən, dē-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin delusion-, delusio, from deludere
Date: 15th century
1 : the act of deluding : the state of being deluded
2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs

But they are incompetent. If they are not equipped properly to do the job of guarding the border, then by definition that makes the Border Patrol Agency incompetent. I never suggested the guy had to buy his own gear. But you did say it was a "war" down there, and last time I checked, no one goes to war in a leisure suit.

If we sent our soldiers to Afghanistan in a nice brown sport jacket, would you not deem them incompetent for the job at hand?

They're told what to do, just like you were and just like you in Iraq. And just like Iraq, and all over the news - you didn't have the proper equipment either - and neither do they - however it isn't the Army's fault or BP's fault - they don't control that at all.

Anyway, I went and looked up the type of equipment they have.. they do have helmets, they have like riot type gear - which does take damage from rocks.

Guess when police get killed with riot gear on, from rocks and bottles - it's the police's fault too.

Being "told what to do" is completely irrelevant. It doesn't make the BP or those in the military without the proper gear any less incompetent for the job. If you don't have the gear, you can't do the job. If your mechanic doesn't have a tool set, he is incompetent.

Obviously they are buying the wrong equipment.

This is going to be one of a number of things that's going to lead to war with Mexico. You watch. Their drug war - which they've already lost - is going to spill over our border. We already know it's coming. Combine this with the growing frustration over illegal immigration, new state laws like in Arizona, and then a few minor border shootings... Presto, war.

BTW, check to see where most of the oil imported to the US comes. I think Mexico is second, after Canada.

Again the solution here is if the Mexican government mans the fuck up and destroys the small monopolistic mafia that pimps their economy. It's a fucking oligopoly that fucks the economy and pushes many to be illegal immigrants. The US can help a lot by stopping its crying and help Mexico open its economy further. A rich mexico = the solution. Anything less is like chewing gum while the house burns down.

Agreed. :thumbsup

I'm not talking about the agent, I'm talking about the department... they're told what to do from Homeland Security and maybe ICE and the funds provided come from the Fed and through the State. BP has nothing to do with it, they can only make suggestions.

You just need or want someone to blame, at any point, for what you call murder.. I see your point of view clearly.


The agents don't have a choice just like you didn't have a choice which equipment you used. For all we know they have gear that would stop this, but that doesn't mean the agent has access to it - just like you didn't have access to the best gear.