Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17235486)

Oh, I have right to self protection too more so than some of you in other states, I live under Castle Doctrine law state, so youre probably right, I could shoot you for throwing rock at me LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

castle doctrine includes my car too LOL

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17235517)

in fairness, I reread it, you said "at them" so i edited it out heheh no worries man, Im just discussing things, I dont want to have to shoot anyone, ever.

But yes, castle Doctrine is something very few states have left. Our state being one of them, we have no duty to retreat, and are a stand your ground state. if you in my home, or try to break in my car while my family there, I dont even need permit to carry in my car and can shoot you dead.

The law favors self protection over a criminals right to be in your house LOL

I just think chucking rocks isnt really a need to kill someone, but thats just me i guess, others would love to shoot people as the doc says, kill everything or kill nothing - im not barbaric and cherish the freedom to possess firearm so id never use it in childish kill all manner.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17235564)

2) It doesn't make it murder and that was the point. Mexico can say it's an act of war, who cares what they say...

3) No way I could find them all, it's literally 100's of times in the last 10 years. But Phoenix is #3 for kidnappings behind Mexico city. Mostly blamed on Mexican Drug cartels, using Mexican Military items... so it's like, they drug dealers that work for the Mexican Gov... crazy, I know.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/mexic...es-border.html
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/sta...r_US_home.html
http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=436846
http://www.military.com/news/article...order-dam.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100314/...mexico_murders (bit different)

4) I'm not belittling the Army, it is what it is.. you were either fighting and are now spewing a double standards, or you sat on your ass and deposed of shit and now think you can speak your morals. No reason to pretend war isn't equal for everyone.

Originally Posted by Zyber (Post 17235571)

Protecting you? The US Border Agent executed a Mexican on Mexican soil.

See the video. After the boy is shot for the first time he lays dead or half-dead on the ground. About 5-10 seconds later the US agent shoots him again. Just to make sure he is totally dead.

That was a pure execution. It looked like a scene from some old nazi-movie.

Seriously, how can you defend such actions? Only because the criminal wears a uniform with your flag?

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17235577)

No worries, I never take any type of debate personally. My friends and I get together every Thursday at a local pub and debate about all manner of topics. We also have political bashes during elections and invite people from every political classification we can find :) Good times! Never has anyone thought anything less of anyone else it's really a great vibe. I'm lucky enough to have friends who are very open and accepting and understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I guess that's just the type of company I like to keep :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17235580)

It's not a double standard. The U.S. Border Patrol is not at war with Mexico. You might feel like it's a war, but we are not at war with Mexico no matter how you want to spin it. I never murdered any kids in Iraq. Some of them actually did throw rocks at us when we would drive through shanty towns. We threw food & water back at them, not bullets.

Drug cartels are not official agents of the Mexican Government. More spin.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17234969)

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06...-near-el-paso/

Wow, this is only going to get worse.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17235610)

I never said we're at war with Mexico, however you said Mexico should take this as an act of war. I did however say it's a war zone here - not a vacation zone, and that is fact. If you go walking along the border, today as an American citizen, you will probably be killed.

You need to wake up and smell reality.



That is one horrible military example to give... You and me, toss out food and water (not when rocks were being thrown) but when we needed to use children as human shields which helped ensure we wouldn't be shot at when crossing through the town.

Maybe you didn't know...

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17235610)

when we needed to use children as human shields which helped ensure we wouldn't be shot at when crossing through the town.

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17235631)

Haha! You're kidding right? No one in my unit ever used children as human shields. How do you sleep at night?

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17235649)

wow, what can one even say?

i can see how you say gun down kids, you used them as shields like the media claim palis do, wow. :disgust

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17235431)

something tells me if you came to my house, threw a rock, and I shot you as you ran away, Id be in jail for murder.

as a responsible gun owner, that would more than likely be the outcome. You dont shoot people running away from you.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17235652)

Think of this... how often were you attacked with those children around you vs. when you didn't have them?

That's why you were authorized to give out food, water and candy while traveling through the city or on patrol. It saves "American" lives...

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17235663)

We weren't "authorized" to give them anything. We were doing 4-man cross-border incursions from Saudi Arabia to scout for bunkers, bombs, and vehicle parts that could be cannibalized for our own use because we had no supply lines.

Human shields... jesus

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17235652)

Think of this... how often were you attacked with those children around you vs. when you didn't have them?

That's why you were authorized to give out food, water and candy while traveling through the city or on patrol. It saves "American" lives...

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17235663)

We weren't "authorized" to give them anything. We were doing 4-man cross-border incursions from Saudi Arabia to scout for bunkers, bombs, and vehicle parts that could be cannibalized for our own use because we had no supply lines.

Human shields... jesus

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17235683)

You weren't told what shit was for, other than just to do it. IE: Why you should respect the border agent, doing the jobs they're told to do."

Originally Posted by Zyber (Post 17235800)

So it gives respect to commit a crime if someone tells you to do it? So the border agent is "innocent" because someone told him (the voice in his head?) to kill that Mexican boy?

Strange that a person is not responsible for his own actions. "someone told me to do it"

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17235667)

So you gave out food and water without authorization, with no supply lines? Bullshit...

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17235446)

You have no idea what fascism is...

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17235482)

hard to tell when you spew right-wing horseshit 24/7

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17235818)

The food & water we tossed them was ours. We went hungry. (until we got back to our unit's position). I repeat, we never used children as "human shields". I don't know how you operate, but I am not a cowardly weasel.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17235831)

I'm anti-left wing, not right wing, if you bothered to read what I post. Just because I think our President is a racist asshole, doesn't mean I'm right wing, I'm not a GOP, I don't believe in the two party system, I have conservative veiws, so before you start judgeing me ASSHOLE, read what I have to say.

You know if it weren't for this political correctness we all have to follow, the world would be in a better place. If the border is a problem, then the asshole in charge should do something about it. Or are you telling me we can take over a country but can't protect our own? These asshole's are coming into our country and murdering, rapeing, running drugs and kidnapping and you guys are concerned for some idiot that was stupid enough to throw a rock at a cop.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17235837)

And again, the reality is... when children were around, the bullets and bombs stopped.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17235831)

I'm anti-left wing, not right wing, if you bothered to read what I post. Just because I think our President is a racist asshole, doesn't mean I'm right wing, I'm not a GOP, I don't believe in the two party system, I have conservative veiws, so before you start judgeing me ASSHOLE, read what I have to say.

You know if it weren't for this political correctness we all have to follow, the world would be in a better place. If the border is a problem, then the asshole in charge should do something about it. Or are you telling me we can take over a country but can't protect our own? These asshole's are coming into our country and murdering, rapeing, running drugs and kidnapping and you guys are concerned for some idiot that was stupid enough to throw a rock at a cop.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17235854)

Odd, there were plenty of charred carcasses we bulldozed into a pit, some children. The bombs did not discriminate. But they were killed by bombs, not executed by soldiers. Border Patrol is out there picking people off because his feelings got hurt because some hispanic kid threw a rock at him and called him a pussy.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17235660)

It's totally messed up. But the reality is, when those children are around - the enemy won't trip road side bombs, shoot at you etc... Normally, nobody is dieing.

Sad reality of that is... human meat shields.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17235875)

That wasn't the point... you tried to take a moral high ground using Military action as an example, and I simply pointed out how you followed orders and what that did by doing so, unknown to you.

Yet now you want to scream bad doing by the BP agents.. well buddy, during the time you were in Iraq, they had a ton of 11-15 year soldiers....

Much like the border agent, following orders and protecting himself, at all costs. It's not like BP agents haven't been greatly hurt by rocks, it's not like our BP jeeps and cars aren't mini-tanks with cages around them to stop the rocks from fucking them up.

Stop acting like this is some innocent kid, it's not.

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17235855)

Ahh fuck, i'm sick of bolding your right-wing rhetoric.

You couldn't possibly be more right wing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

you exhibited pretty much every right-wing trait with that post. good job mr. "not right-wing"

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17235899)

Are you actually of the opinion that someone like this, that is supposed to be trained, is in FEAR for his life from an unarmed boy?

http://brokenzombie.com/junk_bin/gfy/borderpatrol.jpg

Sounds to me like he chose the wrong line of work.

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17235918)

off topic but I wore the new helmets and body armor the military have this week, and man, thats some nice shit. My cousin is in town for a week and had his gear with him, told him he gotta get me one, he laughed and said that will be very hard... he said hed been shot with 9mm and it just pings off LOL rock wouldnt even be felt LOL

Cant recall the round he said it could handle, plates were like 3 inches thick, with kevlar vest, very nice, like $3k or some shit, the plates he said were $1600

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17235855)

Ahh fuck, i'm sick of bolding your right-wing rhetoric.

You couldn't possibly be more right wing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

you exhibited pretty much every right-wing trait with that post. good job mr. "not right-wing"

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17235918)

off topic but I wore the new helmets and body armor the military have this week, and man, thats some nice shit. My cousin is in town for a week and had his gear with him, told him he gotta get me one, he laughed and said that will be very hard... he said hed been shot with 9mm and it just pings off LOL rock wouldnt even be felt LOL

Cant recall the round he said it could handle, plates were like 3 inches thick, with kevlar vest lining etc..., very nice, like $3k or some shit, the plates he said were $1600

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17235923)

Better hope no little kids throw rocks at him. I hear rocks go right through kevlar body armor.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17235928)

And this is how you debate? What happened to the topic? You're like any fucking idiot that can't have a debate because you haven't the mental capacity of even a jar of peanut butter. So instead of debating me, you poke fun at me with a silly fucking grin that has lingered from the 3rd grade. If you're going to debate me, don't put me in a group I don't belong to because it makes it easier to understand where I'm at. I doubt you have ever met anyone like me.