Yeah, they're thick, heavy, and pretty indestructible. They won't stop everything, but they are certainly rated to stop rocks. :winkwink:

It's actually very few attacks when the children are around vs. when they aren't. They don't you want to shoot or blowup the neighbors children, understandable.

BP Agents don't look like that... and the boy had rocks, that is considered a deadly weapon.

Border Patrol Agents don't look like that?

Well then, my argument just got easy. It's clear to me then that the U.S. Border Patrol is not properly equipped or trained to do the job. That means they are incompetent, and substituting outright murder for proper equipment & training.

Pull them off the job until it's fixed.

They have different equipment... and even if they had that equipment, I would still support them shooting anyone attacking them for any reason.

Kids throw things. Lots of kids throw rocks. They're kids. That piece of shit BP Agent would've killed that kid if he had thrown a paper airplane at him. He shot him while he was running away.

The guy is a fucking coward murderer.

And you're a blabbering idiot who would do this country a favor by going somewhere else and infecting them with your bullshit.

Thank you Demon. Keep bringing the hate.
I don't know you, your insults mean nothing to me, and your intelligence level is showing.

He wasn't a kid, he was a young man... which knew exactly what he was doing and was already a criminal. Some people were running away, he was behind a pillar throwing rocks.

If he wasn't throwing rocks, he wouldn't have gotten shot.

If he wasn't shot, he wouldn't have been shot.

That BP Agent probably beats his wife and kids at home too. Violent criminals like that have deep psychological problems and violence is rarely isolated to a single event.

Aye but the BP agent then would have been hit in the head with a rock while trying to do his job, knocked out, gun taken, and boot fucked by a 100 Mexicans that would then cross the border to murder more Americans.

Nobody in this thread can be possibly dumber than you, please continue humoring us.

Just when you think he can't get any dumber, he posts another nugget of stupidity.

im glad we have video it is being analyzed and already being used against eh FBIs official statement which claimed the BP agent was "surrounded by group throwing rocks" LOL no he wasnt

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_608181.html

they were running away from him, not surrounding him.

the more its analyzed we will get to the bottom of this, opinions in this thread of "kill em all" etc have nothing to do with the truth, so lets follow investigation.

Clearly the FBi has alreayd begun putting out blatant lies.

Again, improperly equipped for the job. Where was his kevlar helmet to prevent getting "knocked out" by a rock? No equipment? Then they are incompetent.


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I'm just going to gloss over anything else you say. You contribute nothing to this discussion. This is a grown-up discussion. Please go back to doing whatever it is you do.

ffvb man, that guy is not even in this industry and is anti-porn if memory serves me. ignore.

Yea, because it's like the US is sending thousands of illegals into Canada each day. The way I look at it, is Mexico can start bitching how we do things.. When they fucking own up and fix their own shit and help stop these people from entering our country illegally.

I used to have a lil symphony for the illegals as many just want to improve their life's. However lately it's like they feel it's their right to enter our country illegally and we are in the wrong for trying to stop them.

At this point I say fuck Mexico..

He clearly points two different directions in the video, giving instructions... while he had nobody on his backside, it says rocks did land behind him - clearly was people behind or close enough behind him. Mexicans were yelling it too and he also told them to stop and back off - and they didn't.

The first statement by the FBI also said this was what was told to them, and they're looking into it - that's very far from lies.

cool all that has not much to do with what you quoted but cool, i agree mexico needs to fix itself, however, I understand outrage at someone shooting a teen for throwing rocks, its as simple as that.

you or i thoughts on Illegal immigration really doesnt have much to do with this incident.

4:20 :rasta

They're underfunded and funded by the States which are under funded... it's not the BP agents job to supply the gear and the agency just can't go out and pay for it either. So saying they're incompetent is... well delusional - on the entire subject at hand.

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Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin delusion-, delusio, from deludere
Date: 15th century
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2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs

But they are incompetent. If they are not equipped properly to do the job of guarding the border, then by definition that makes the Border Patrol Agency incompetent. I never suggested the guy had to buy his own gear. But you did say it was a "war" down there, and last time I checked, no one goes to war in a leisure suit.

If we sent our soldiers to Afghanistan in a nice brown sport jacket, would you not deem them incompetent for the job at hand?

They're told what to do, just like you were and just like you in Iraq. And just like Iraq, and all over the news - you didn't have the proper equipment either - and neither do they - however it isn't the Army's fault or BP's fault - they don't control that at all.

Anyway, I went and looked up the type of equipment they have.. they do have helmets, they have like riot type gear - which does take damage from rocks.

Guess when police get killed with riot gear on, from rocks and bottles - it's the police's fault too.

Being "told what to do" is completely irrelevant. It doesn't make the BP or those in the military without the proper gear any less incompetent for the job. If you don't have the gear, you can't do the job. If your mechanic doesn't have a tool set, he is incompetent.

Obviously they are buying the wrong equipment.

This is going to be one of a number of things that's going to lead to war with Mexico. You watch. Their drug war - which they've already lost - is going to spill over our border. We already know it's coming. Combine this with the growing frustration over illegal immigration, new state laws like in Arizona, and then a few minor border shootings... Presto, war.

BTW, check to see where most of the oil imported to the US comes. I think Mexico is second, after Canada.

Again the solution here is if the Mexican government mans the fuck up and destroys the small monopolistic mafia that pimps their economy. It's a fucking oligopoly that fucks the economy and pushes many to be illegal immigrants. The US can help a lot by stopping its crying and help Mexico open its economy further. A rich mexico = the solution. Anything less is like chewing gum while the house burns down.

Agreed. :thumbsup

I'm not talking about the agent, I'm talking about the department... they're told what to do from Homeland Security and maybe ICE and the funds provided come from the Fed and through the State. BP has nothing to do with it, they can only make suggestions.

You just need or want someone to blame, at any point, for what you call murder.. I see your point of view clearly.


The agents don't have a choice just like you didn't have a choice which equipment you used. For all we know they have gear that would stop this, but that doesn't mean the agent has access to it - just like you didn't have access to the best gear.

Yes!

And Yes!

And seriously... This whole incident is bullshit. The Border Patrol had better be aware of what the current atmosphere is. If they are not, then they shouldn't even be there in the first place. You don't send the fucking Boy Scouts down to secure the U.S. Border. If they are not properly equipped, which is where this is leaning now, then what is the point? The whole damn thing is a joke and a waste of money.

I've been called every name in the book on this board for a very wide array of things, but if nothing else, there is one thing I know in this world without question.

If you want to secure the border of a country, you fucking arm it with soldiers and lock it the fuck down. Period. Anything less is just song and dance.

it has been doing so for a very long time, and the US is losing its war on drugs too. no one will win the war on drugs, the people want it, look at the stats on alcohol and drug abuse, American LOVE drugs and alcohol, neither are going anywhere, and Prohibition didnt work first time and it aint working this time.

even Bush liked cocaine and alcohol, when even presidents are getting high (Obama smoked pot, Bush cocaine, Clinton pot etc...) you know its going nowhere.

we bailed out mexico in 94 already, it didn't work, they are too corrupt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_ec...isis_in_Mexico

The implication here is that the people who are in charge, the people that actually run The United States, are not too interested in "securing our border". It's more like, everyone is kind of on the honor system, but if we catch you, we'll send you back. It's obviously not a priority. And it obviously never has been.

Jesus christ I'm talking to myself now.

No, I do feel bad for the parents of the kid and if the officer was in the wrong then he should be punished. "However" and this is a very big 'however" the parents are just as much to blame here for letting their kid try to cross the boarder illegally.

Not to mention the Mexican people are just as much to blame for supporting a basic mind-set of feeling it's ok if they break the law in the US and come across our boarders illegally just because they want something here.

TBH, this shit has gone on far too long. As I say I've always been very forgiving toward illegals because I know not everyone is lucky to be born into the same privileges and rights we have here in the US. I can't blame anyone for want to better them selves.

However, I think this shit has gone on long enough. Illegals are like the drunk guy that just doesn't know when the party is over. He just keeps hanging around bugging you til you have to get rough and kick his ass out.

Mexico, doesn't give a fuck about stopping them because they love the money that is sent back from illegals working in this country. Much less Mexico does little to nothing to change their own country for the better.

It's about time they start having to be accountable for their own problem instead of sucking off the US's tit and expecting us to look the other way because of convenience.

Big difference between a bailout and helping systemic economic free market reforms. The same difference between a hand out (doesn't work/will never work) and a hand up (singapore, so korea, hong kong, japan, ireland, and all other previously poor "shit holes" that made it to the top). Free markets and capitalism work. Too bad, third world shitholes (my own country not exempted) are run by elites who are afraid of competition--they'd rather see their people migrate out than open the markets. That's the real problem.

Border Patrol can shoot (in self-defense or otherwise) as many border crossers they want, and the states can pass as many Arizona-type laws as they want, it won't fix the real problem. The real problem is that ECONOMIC MIGRATION is an unstoppable force. You fix it by helping ensure conditions that would enable people to make the RATIONAL ECONOMIC DECISION to stay home. And that answer is a DEVELOPED AND RICH MEXICO. All other options will fail--short of putting landmines on the border and treating like the No Korea/So Korea DMZ. People are ECONOMIC ANIMALS. So, the solution is ECONOMIC.

Mexico is a typical 3rd world country like my own--a small mafia owns the economy. Help the government break their grip and let Mexicans help themselves through a more open economy and you'll see less people want to cross the border. Crossing the border isn't easy--both physically and emotionally. A good economy makes it way way easier to stay at home.

So we can continue to treat this problem like a DRUG WAR problem--pour money at it, shit happens and people get killed. Or we can treat it like what it really is--an ECONOMIC IMBALANCE problem. The only solution is real CAPITALISM.

The problem is the Mexican govt didn't step up and create the solutions to fix their own problems.

In the 80's and even 90's it is was kinda popular for US companies to set up factories in Mexico. The Mexican govt didn't see the long term help this would bring their country and instead kept up with their corrupt business as usual.

US businesses decided they could find a better deal in other places like China, India ect..ect. The difference is these other countries stepped up to the plate and delivered trained, skilled workers at the cheap prices.

Mexico had every opportunity in the world to have what unfortunately China is getting today in regards to manufacturing of various items for the US market. The simple fact is the market was there for Mexico to take and they couldn't give up the corrupt bull shit so the US businesses found other places to work with.

It would have been a win/win if the US could have shipped it's offshore work to Mexico.. The problem is Mexico didn't step up to the plate. Instead they wanted more for nothing.

Someone will no doubt take this the wrong way, but here goes anyway.

Those border-crossers have literally nothing to lose. You can't force morals on someone and especially not on someone that's starving and willing to risk his life. Why do you think someone who has nothing to lose and everything to gain should give one shit about our "law"?

i refuse to take anything seriously which is on foxnews.com

I concede that the POLITICAL will is missing from the Mexican side. NAFTA would have helped develop Mexico but the usual vested interests, monopolies, giant unions, and bureaucracy (on both sides of the border really) put up a fight and stonewalled. The Free traders prevailed on the US side but those on the Mexican side didn't want to go all the way. Hence, you have Carlos Slim owning Mexico and people are crossing the border because they've lost hope.