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Gerco 06-23-2010 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17272544)
actually part of it is. Biden has made several comments about how illegal downloading is the same as stealing. And actually part of this plan is going to include a 3 strikes law so be careful what you wish for guys.

Bring it on! I would love a 3 strike law. Do you realize how many times I have had to DMCA the same place over and over? It's ridiculous.

sortie 06-23-2010 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 17271181)
Biden: Piracy it theft. Clean and simple.

:thumbsup

Video of press conference:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/...property-theft

Strategy plan:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/intellectualproperty/

I'm watching this video and cumming in my shorts!!

:thumbsup

brassmonkey 06-23-2010 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17272358)
War On Everything!

well war is needed to gain peace https://gfy.com/images/icons/heee.gif :1orglaugh

sortie 06-23-2010 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17272510)
This isn't about "online piracy" or digital goods... they're going to protect people that are being counterfeited against.

You know, actual piracy?

You must have skipped half of the video.

He directly stated going after sites with illegal downloads, calling is "theft, clean and simple".

He also mentioned software piracy, music and movies.

Agent 488 06-23-2010 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17272510)
This isn't about "online piracy" or digital goods... they're going to protect people that are being counterfeited against.

You know, actual piracy?

what does "illegal downloading" refer to genius? bootleg watches?

boneprone 06-23-2010 09:39 AM

Dont worry guys. Its just a matter of time before this administration gets replaced by a free market loving republican.

GatorB 06-23-2010 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerco (Post 17272566)
Bring it on! I would love a 3 strike law. Do you realize how many times I have had to DMCA the same place over and over? It's ridiculous.

The whole lack of due process part kind of bothers me. Just because they said I downloaded something doesn't mean I did. It could be an error. Could be someone hacked my wi-fi. And a 3 strike law wouldn't effect your DMCAs to tubes it would apply to customers of ISPs not websites. So you would have to go after the surfers of those websites. Good luck with that.

GatorB 06-23-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 17272699)
Dont worry guys. Its just a matter of time before this administration gets replaced by a free market loving republican.

So who are they going to favor, the music, TV and movie industries that wants these laws or the at&ts, Verizons, Comcasts etc etc that don't want to have any part of policing the internet especially when they have to pay for cost of the policing? Which billion $$$ corporation are the republicans going to favor?

TheDoc 06-23-2010 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie (Post 17272621)
You must have skipped half of the video.

He directly stated going after sites with illegal downloads, calling is "theft, clean and simple".

He also mentioned software piracy, music and movies.

Glad he is going to include downloads, but they're still referencing counterfeiting in relation to piracy. IE: Gov hasn't purchased any illegal software, not that they are using pirated goods. Punish other countries that allow counterfeiting of our software/movies, etc... and reduce infringing content moving into the Country - all counterfeiting based around the idea of health and safety, ie: unsafe products, auto parts, medical shit, knock off items being sold as the real deal.

He said, traffic in pirated goods, like he said about movies being 'sold' before they're released in China.. Then 'require' companies to report counterfeiting among products they purchased. Our supply chain is free of counterfeiting products. Internet sites selling counterfeit products, pills, as actual real products.

It's all about that type of piracy.

mountainmiester 06-23-2010 04:54 PM

Sounds good on the surface doesn't it?

When you dig into it, it also mandates significant additional testing for ALL products much like the FDA is now with drugs and we all know how great that process works.

It also allows the government to act on violations without due process and not just for movies, music, images etc. It also covers semi conductors, car parts, appliances and such.

It now gives the federal government the ability to say to an imported product that it is not worthy of use in the US. What is this going to do to the auto aftermarket? or the consumer electronics industry when you don't have to prove that you have a patent?

It allows them to unilaterally bypass the patent offices processes and the courts ability to make decisions based on the criteria of the case. It's like the DMCA but for ALL invented products not just digital ones.

In the end, this will have almost no positive effect on our industry. Also consider this, the US already has the lowest piracy rate in the world.

TheDoc 06-23-2010 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17272631)
what does "illegal downloading" refer to genius? bootleg watches?

Which illegal porn download sites are counterfeiting porn and selling access to them? I'm sure you can report those to the counterfeiting task force.

If a site ignores your take down notices you have every right to sue, win a judgement and enforce that judgement on the domain registrars, if it has to go that far.

What you/we can't stop is someone counterfeiting your goods, not that it's happening much with online porn - but it does happen.

gideongallery 06-23-2010 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17272119)
Just a point to make here. Just because they had record profit doesn't mean piracy didn't still have an effect. Maybe they would have had 12% profit or whatever.

if I have $100 in my wallet and someone takes $10 it doesn't mean I didn't get $10 stolen just because I still have $90 in my wallet.

if it was money taken out of the wallet they would know the losses
it like if someone put money in your wallet

except they put 90 instead of a 100.

GatorB 06-23-2010 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17274418)
if it was money taken out of the wallet they would know the losses
it like if someone put money in your wallet

except they put 90 instead of a 100.

figures you were too obtuse to get the gist of my point.

NetHorse 06-23-2010 09:16 PM

I've been saying this for years, everyone always argues, "piracy can't be stopped". Well, no, it can't be stopped, but when the laws are changed it can be greatly reduced.


It doesn't matter what form of piracy they've specifically targeted today, this is just the beginning. :2 cents:

In my opinion this is what will happen in the next 1-3 years.

First congress will pass a bill for "reasonable network management practices". In other words content filtering to stop unlawful activity over the internet.

Next there will be a "panel" created. This panel will determine what sites are breaking U.S. laws.

Once a site is determined to be breaking laws it will be filtered through all the major telecommunication giants in the United States, and they will be GLAD to comply.

This will not solely be to stop piracy and other unlawful activity. Like everything, it will be a major political move and I guarantee it will come at a huge cost to our, (people in the United States) freedom on the internet.

Don't think it's happening, don't think it's possible? Well it's already happening.

http://www.internetnews.com/governme...% 20Fight.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21376597/
http://gizmodo.com/5052628/comcast-o...r-your-traffic

Jaytown 06-23-2010 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 17272067)
This is part of the counterfeit goods act, which in itself is as stupid as anyone who thinks that copyright infringement can be stopped.

Exactly, NOTHING will come out of this, anyone hoping it will should wake the fuck up.

crazytrini85 06-24-2010 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17274664)
I've been saying this for years, everyone always argues, "piracy can't be stopped". Well, no, it can't be stopped, but when the laws are changed it can be greatly reduced.


It doesn't matter what form of piracy they've specifically targeted today, this is just the beginning. :2 cents:

In my opinion this is what will happen in the next 1-3 years.

First congress will pass a bill for "reasonable network management practices". In other words content filtering to stop unlawful activity over the internet.

Next there will be a "panel" created. This panel will determine what sites are breaking U.S. laws.

Once a site is determined to be breaking laws it will be filtered through all the major telecommunication giants in the United States, and they will be GLAD to comply.

This will not solely be to stop piracy and other unlawful activity. Like everything, it will be a major political move and I guarantee it will come at a huge cost to our, (people in the United States) freedom on the internet.

Don't think it's happening, don't think it's possible? Well it's already happening.

http://www.internetnews.com/governme...% 20Fight.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21376597/
http://gizmodo.com/5052628/comcast-o...r-your-traffic

Love your funky dino sig. :thumbsup

$5 submissions 06-24-2010 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 17271212)
Will the "War On Piracy" be the new "War On Drugs"?

With the same stellar results? :winkwink:

DamianJ 06-24-2010 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17272119)
Just a point to make here. Just because they had record profit doesn't mean piracy didn't still have an effect. Maybe they would have had 12% profit or whatever.

if I have $100 in my wallet and someone takes $10 it doesn't mean I didn't get $10 stolen just because I still have $90 in my wallet.

Where do I suggest piracy has no effect?

TheDoc 06-24-2010 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17274664)
I've been saying this for years, everyone always argues, "piracy can't be stopped". Well, no, it can't be stopped, but when the laws are changed it can be greatly reduced.


It doesn't matter what form of piracy they've specifically targeted today, this is just the beginning. :2 cents:

In my opinion this is what will happen in the next 1-3 years.

First congress will pass a bill for "reasonable network management practices". In other words content filtering to stop unlawful activity over the internet.

Next there will be a "panel" created. This panel will determine what sites are breaking U.S. laws.

Once a site is determined to be breaking laws it will be filtered through all the major telecommunication giants in the United States, and they will be GLAD to comply.

This will not solely be to stop piracy and other unlawful activity. Like everything, it will be a major political move and I guarantee it will come at a huge cost to our, (people in the United States) freedom on the internet.

Don't think it's happening, don't think it's possible? Well it's already happening.

http://www.internetnews.com/governme...% 20Fight.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21376597/
http://gizmodo.com/5052628/comcast-o...r-your-traffic


This task force isn't new... technically nothing is changing, we're simply doing what we have done before with the laws that we already have.

No laws related to copyright/fair use will change in this Country. Fair use alone is about 15% of our entire GDP, changing the laws would destroy our Country.

And technically, tubes aren't breaking the law until they ignore your requests. Basically they aren't counterfeiting anything, this task force isn't going to care.

NetHorse 06-28-2010 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17275554)
This task force isn't new... technically nothing is changing, we're simply doing what we have done before with the laws that we already have.

No laws related to copyright/fair use will change in this Country. Fair use alone is about 15% of our entire GDP, changing the laws would destroy our Country.

And technically, tubes aren't breaking the law until they ignore your requests. Basically they aren't counterfeiting anything, this task force isn't going to care.

LOL, that's exactly my point, "technically" they aren't breaking any laws, because laws to stop loopholes like that don't yet exist. That's why they're called NEW laws. :1orglaugh

I mean I can't see how you can say a law that enables the filtering of traffic to sites thought to committing unlawful activity won't change anything. Did you even bother to look at those links? It's not happening right now, but that's the direction we are heading in.

TheDoc 06-29-2010 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17286940)
LOL, that's exactly my point, "technically" they aren't breaking any laws, because laws to stop loopholes like that don't yet exist. That's why they're called NEW laws. :1orglaugh

I mean I can't see how you can say a law that enables the filtering of traffic to sites thought to committing unlawful activity won't change anything. Did you even bother to look at those links? It's not happening right now, but that's the direction we are heading in.

What the hell is this noncoherent babble?

What law? What enabled filtering?

You must have posted in the wrong thread.


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