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quiet 06-24-2010 03:07 PM

i use WriteRoom for software. it's super stripped down, but makes it much easier to not be distracted. Love the green font. for real.

Fletch XXX 06-24-2010 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc (Post 17276896)
You could always try it and see how you think it is their way and if you do not like it let them know that does not work for you. maybe you just need to retool your ending to make it better and can run with that.

well this is why i said its all hypothetical right now, as it is right now, if i was in the position of being told to change something perhaps that would mean I was actually getting published, so discussing what we would change and if we would change something is purely hypothetical right now.

No artist, whether its writer or singer wants to be told to change their work, so thats a given. if in the position and felt it would make the book better, sure, but lets *get there* first hehe

Fletch XXX 06-24-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 17276999)
my girl is a writer. she's been published twice now. i'm trying to write a book, non-fiction. loosely based on my life from high school till now :glugglug

Bukowski started writing poetry at 35, this is my daily inspiration to pick up a pen and write 2000 words a day. Ive hit 34 this month and the pen is calling me every day, its my sword. Few people my age can say they took a year off and just wrote, I plan on making writing one of the most important things of my life from now until im in the coffin.

Fletch XXX 06-24-2010 04:29 PM

Id like to thank everyone for replies in here btw, I may go on a hiatus soon and just poor my thoughts and efforts into my writing. But I think this thread may have been what I needed to help me focus. ive been writing more lately, and trying to focus on a few pieces and after reading this thread over again, I think I will focus even more. Stop wasting my time doing unnecessary things and really focus.

I wont go into life details but becoming a father this past year has really got me thinking about life and death more and I feel there are many things I would like to write and get out my system before I die... its just something I am compelled to do.

Having gone sober has left me with more time and energy to focus on the thingsa I want to do instead of being drunk by 9 am in the morning, and I think its far past time to focus and get on what Id like to do.

Thanks again for the encouragement and direction.

Your friend,
Fletch

dyna mo 06-24-2010 04:46 PM

the unabomber had reams of shit he wrote over the years and he was published.

kane 06-24-2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17276636)
I don't know anything about any market, I just mentioned poetry and songs to illustrate that I just like to write. I've scribbled poems on bar napkins a decade ago and still have them in a box, have hung out with friends and wrote song lyrics, etc.... just showcasing my desire to create with words. But lately I have begun focusing on a few stories with the idea of progressing to a novel perhaps. I figured I would start with short stories and move my way up to a book, it seemed the logical approach. I have never written a book, only small pieces. Always figured I could piece them together if need be and get started on something bigger, create story arcs to combine them etc....

So now as I age, and become more focused on my work, yes... I should pick a direction and go with it. That's the point I feel I have been at lately...



Gotcha. Sounds like great advice. I appreciate such an in depth reply. gracias again mi amigo.

I will take in all your advice on agents, but not retort to any of it at this time.



Im stuck on #6 all the time LOL I just write to write, never even thought about an agent until this thread LOL

Something you might consider is doing as you say and starting with a short story or two. Write them, rewrite them, make them as good as you can make them and then submit them to a few places. Even if they are very small non-pay places like websites and independent fanzines. At the least you will get some feedback on your work and it could give that sense of satisfaction on completing a piece and seeing it through to the end that could carry you into a book.

Make no mistake, writing a book is hard. I started mine out thinking it would be just like a long short story. I ended up stopping halfway through and redoing all my notes and my outline just to get everything organized. It is hard, but I enjoyed doing it and finding the fun and enjoyment in can be the hard part.

If you are having trouble organizing you might try www.evernote.com it is free and kicks ass. It is a very easy to use note taking software.

kane 06-24-2010 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 17276853)
I understand totally.

Not going to argue about artistic control when it comes to business (dollars and cents) but so you change the ending, is that going to automatically make you rich? The agent says "nah dont make it happy ending, blow the car up and fade to black."

Something tells me, no. Its just how the agent wanted it to end LOL Id love to hear what people like Steephen King etc feel about having an agent tell them change an ending... but hey, maybe he changes endings all the time when agent cracks whip on him, I dont know LOL

If I was at that point and agent was serious, id consider it I guess,... this is all hypothetical at this moment.

I think when you get to the level of King and Cormac McCarthy you can do whatever you want because you have a built in fan base that is going to buy your books no matter what they are.

As for changing endings, I have never been asked to do that. My agent thought the ending to my book was spot on. It isn't happy, nor is it sad, it find a spot right in the middle and works.

If they told me, change the ending and we will guarantee you a first print run of 500K books and a million dollar publicity campaign or leave it as it is and we will do a first print run of 25K books and a 40K publicity campaign I would probably change it. Selling books at the start of your career can open up a lot doors and let you do what you want down the road.

There is a famous story about Stephen King where his publisher demanded he send them an outline for his new book before he went on vacation. He sent them a 6 page outline. Each page had one word on it. It read:
Page 1:PLOT
Page 2:PLOT
Page 3:PLOT
Page 4:PLOT
Page 5:PLOT
Page 6:BOO!

I would have loved to see their faces when they saw that. :)

DateDoc 06-24-2010 05:19 PM

For a while there it seemed like Stephen King was just churning out novels for the sake of his publisher having something to sell.

kane 06-24-2010 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc (Post 17277333)
For a while there it seemed like Stephen King was just churning out novels for the sake of his publisher having something to sell.

I agree. I haven't read every one of his books, but I have read a bunch of them. I wonder if he was just pulling stuff off the pile that had been sitting around for a while, finishing it up and cashing a check. But he seems to be somewhat back on track recently.

I recently read the unabridged 1100+ page version of The Stand. That was King in his prime and it was amazing.

icymelon 06-24-2010 05:30 PM

I have done a few screen plays. one is really good. still hoping to get one of them made

quiet 06-24-2010 05:41 PM

http://www.hogbaysoftware.com/products/writeroom

the shit

fatfoo 06-24-2010 06:02 PM

I write short stories for small amounts of money such as $50 or $100.

I don't have a physical book written by me in a physical library.

Arnox 06-24-2010 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fatfoo (Post 17277438)
I don't have a physical book written by me in a physical library.

As apposed to your physical book that's currently taking up space in a non-physical library.

VGeorgie 06-24-2010 06:21 PM

I've written a few dozen books (published and sold through traditional channels), all non-fiction. Used to write on computer topics, but these days the average computer book barely makes back its advance.

If you're not writing for sales, but still want a physical book to give friends and family, check out a print on demand service like Lulu. You can choose hardback or paperback, color cover, and it can even include full color pages inside, like for a poetry book with photos you've taken.

Cost is reasonable. A 100 page 6x9 paperback, like a novel, costs under $6 each for 20 copies.

If your book is good enough, you can sell it to local independent bookstores. Do a book signing.

AmeliaG 06-25-2010 12:12 AM

I've had dozens of short stories published in books and magazines and thousands of non-fiction pieces, plus a dab of RPG stuff. About to have an anthology I edited back in the 90's reissued. To get a novel published, I think it helps to build some audience with short stories first. Of course, once you have publishers and agents interested, you still have to, ya know, finish that novel. I really thought I would have written a novel by now and I'm disappointed in myself that I haven't.


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