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Nikki_Licks 06-29-2010 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 17289350)
Yeh, city, state, county, federal employees... I agree. Some states are cutting them back now. Not like the private sector obviously, but cutting back.

You said the state politicians should take a pay cut... I was just saying the state legislator typically doesn't make that much money. :-) They are actually in a kind of weird situation. They only work half of the year, so they need a flexible job or they need to be self-employed. Very strange actually... I don't know that the current system of paying a state legislator half of a salary can really bring out the best candidates. Who knows... something to consider doing better times I suppose.

Yeah, I realized that you had mentioned legislators after I hit submit, sorry about that! They don't have to take half pay cut, but just something that will help to budget during these hard times. I don't think it is right that we have to always bail out the irresponsible city, state and federal persons that abuse the system with reckless spending.

Hell my buddies? boss makes s100K a year and he is never around. He has told me others have seen him at his house, the bar and other places when he should be at work. The only way to get in touch with him is by phone.

I am sure he will be gone because there are a few that have documented this and filed complaints. He also mentioned that this guy is not the only one, so who knows what is going to happen, but it is time for some big changes.

Nikki_Licks 06-29-2010 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 17289359)
http://www.stateline.org/live/detail...ntentId=179978

Looks like Arizona pays around $22,000 a year. California pays nicely.

Wow! I did not know this. If you ad up the time they work VS the salary, they are making some good wages. I wonder if they have some part time job the rest of the year?

Nikki_Licks 06-29-2010 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean-Francois (Post 17289368)
Why not just put a dome over Arizona???

http://blippitt.com/wp-content/uploa...vie-dome-1.png

Don't give them any ideas. We have enough domes that taxpayers have had to pay for, we don't need anymore domes or taxes ;)

Minte 06-29-2010 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17289237)
Jesus Christ! lol
:1orglaugh

I don't know how many Mexicans traveled across the border during the dustbowl & Great Depression years. I'm sure many did to pick crops in California but from everything I've read...legal American citizens were swarming there too and working for pennies a day.

What does that have to do with the fact that nobody gave a shit about immigrants walking across the border from Mexico since the beginning of our country?

I don't know what the point is you're making. My point is that it is SUDDENLY all over the news. SUDDENLY we need a wall. SUDDENLY we need troops.

The only thing that changed is that drug cartels are killing people. BILLIONS of dollars are at stake. That's my point. What's yours?

From a conservative..I agree with you on this. Legalize drugs or at least marijuana and a lot of these border problems will go away. Along with that we won't need as many prisons as we have. A few common sense approaches and this would go a long way in helping the economy. I could almost forgive Obama's bullshit healthcare reform if he took some real steps in fixing things. And legalizing pot would go a long way in doing that.

BigDeanEvans 06-29-2010 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17288629)
Why do people blame past administrations for the fuck ups for Obamanation?
He's been in office for 18 fucking months, when does he take responsability for the office?

Are you saying we would be shitting gold bricks if McCain and Palin were runnin' shit?

brassmonkey 06-29-2010 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean-Francois (Post 17289368)
Why not just put a dome over Arizona???

http://blippitt.com/wp-content/uploa...vie-dome-1.png

this is a national problem. there are 20 states that will adopt the law in 2011.

Nikki_Licks 06-29-2010 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17289419)
this is a national problem. there are 20 states that will adopt the law in 2011.

I am sure the list will be growing once others see we are proceed forward with the law ;)

I heard on the news that other states that feel our law is just are sending in money for the upcoming law suit that oslami is threatening us with.

Hope fully we will have a shot at suing the pants off of the feds for not doing their job by upholding the laws of this nation.

brassmonkey 06-29-2010 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 17289432)
I am sure the list will be growing once others see we are proceed forward with the law ;)

I heard on the news that other states that feel our law is just are sending in money for the upcoming law suit that oslami is threatening us with.

Hope fully we will have a shot at suing the pants off of the feds for not doing their job by upholding the laws of this nation.

house busted in west phoenix 51 illegals inside. :disgust then there was and illegal pulled over with $250,000 and large amount of drugs and they searched his house. and found more money and drugs and guns. :helpme

Robbie 06-29-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17289507)
illegal pulled over with $250,000 and large amount of drugs and they searched his house. and found more money and drugs and guns. :helpme

I don't want that guy busted...I want to party with him! :1orglaugh

Nikki_Licks 06-29-2010 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17289507)
house busted in west phoenix 51 illegals inside. :disgust then there was and illegal pulled over with $250,000 and large amount of drugs and they searched his house. and found more money and drugs and guns. :helpme

Saw that on the news, crazy stuff always going on.

brassmonkey 06-29-2010 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17289510)
I don't want that guy busted...I want to party with him! :1orglaugh

man hanging with him may get you killed. with that kind of cash he isnt a joke connected to some organization.

brassmonkey 06-29-2010 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 17289512)
Saw that on the news, crazy stuff always going on.

atleast the drive-byes are not like in the 90's that was some crazy shit.

PenisFace 06-29-2010 05:34 PM

There's a reason why the US is full of illegal aliens. Getting into the united states to live and work is probably one of the most difficult things to do. Even as a Canadian, if I wanted to live and work there, the amount of hoops I'd have to jump through would be absolutely mind boggling.

Enter the illegal aliens, who see this big prosperous place with work and a higher quality of life. They've got nothing in their pocket in their home country, which leaves them with no hope to better their lives. Unfortinutely for the USA, they are connected to a country of poor, uneducated people who all desperately want to improve their quality of life (and who can blame them?)

There's only one way to stop illegal immigration into the United States. The US has to become a thirld world country. Bam, suddenly Mexican's have better opportunity in their own country. So long as the US represents wealth and prosperity, poor people with no chance at all will continue to sneak in. Because they sure as hell can't get in legally. They don't have the education, the money, or the ability to achieve those things. It's a giant, vicious circle that will never end.

Vendzilla 06-29-2010 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDeanEvans (Post 17289415)
Are you saying we would be shitting gold bricks if McCain and Palin were runnin' shit?

So you're making excuses for the person you voted for?


OK, I just read this

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...tcTDgD9GL5KG00

The system became so overrun with pot busts, for example, that until recently federal prosecutors in Arizona generally declined to press charges against marijuana smugglers caught with less than 500 pounds.


500 pounds?

Robbie 06-29-2010 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17289588)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...tcTDgD9GL5KG00

The system became so overrun with pot busts, for example, that until recently federal prosecutors in Arizona generally declined to press charges against marijuana smugglers caught with less than 500 pounds.

Wow! I didn't even consider those ramifications!
Hey I have a crazy idea: How about we let GROWN UPS alone that want to smoke a fucking plant! :1orglaugh

Wouldn't that be something? Actual freedom? Everybody NOT in jail. The police state NOT all over our ass? Violence on the border NOT happening?

EDIT: Oh yeah. I almost forgot: One Hundred American Versions Of The Iron Curtain

kane 06-29-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17289746)
Wow! I didn't even consider those ramifications!
Hey I have a crazy idea: How about we let GROWN UPS alone that want to smoke a fucking plant! :1orglaugh

Wouldn't that be something? Actual freedom? Everybody NOT in jail. The police state NOT all over our ass? Violence on the border NOT happening?

EDIT: Oh yeah. I almost forgot: One Hundred American Versions Of The Iron Curtain

My brother and I had this conversation over the weekend. He doesn't see the point in legalizing pot because every job out there drug tests. I told him that not every job does, and those that do test do so when they hire you and never again. He works construction and if there is an accident on the site they drug test everyone on site and you get fired if you have drugs in your system.

I told him that nothing would change if it was legal. Those jobs that test still will. Those who work jobs were they could get fired if they smoke will have to decide for themselves if they want to take that chance. It should be up to individuals to take responsibility for themselves. The government is not responsible for protecting me from me, I should be allowed to choose for myself how I want to live.

Jman 06-29-2010 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17289419)
this is a national problem. there are 20 states that will adopt the law in 2011.

Then put a bigger dome over the US, seems you guys are pretty much afraid of everything, including your own President :upsidedow

Nikki_Licks 06-29-2010 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean-Francois (Post 17289818)
Then put a bigger dome over the US, seems you guys are pretty much afraid of everything, including your own President :upsidedow

No one is afraid of oslami, there are allot of us that just don't care for him. You sure are hooked on domes today.....:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

On another note, you don't even live in the US and are hardly abreast of the situation here so I doubt you have any idea of what the states are going through :2 cents:

Just saying ;)

Jman 06-29-2010 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 17289822)
No one is afraid of oslami, there are allot of us that just don't care for him. You sure are hooked on domes today.....:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

On another note, you don't even live in the US and are hardly abreast of the situation here so I doubt you have any idea of what the states are going through :2 cents:

Just saying ;)

Don't need to be in the US when GFY brings the US to us :upsidedow (just being sarcastic Nikki)

brassmonkey 06-29-2010 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean-Francois (Post 17289818)
Then put a bigger dome over the US, seems you guys are pretty much afraid of everything, including your own President :upsidedow

afraid what are you talking about?

Robbie 06-29-2010 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 17289813)
My brother and I had this conversation over the weekend. He doesn't see the point in legalizing pot because every job out there drug tests. I told him that not every job does, and those that do test do so when they hire you and never again. He works construction and if there is an accident on the site they drug test everyone on site and you get fired if you have drugs in your system.

I told him that nothing would change if it was legal. Those jobs that test still will. Those who work jobs were they could get fired if they smoke will have to decide for themselves if they want to take that chance. It should be up to individuals to take responsibility for themselves. The government is not responsible for protecting me from me, I should be allowed to choose for myself how I want to live.

Yeah, drug testing. It's amazing what happens once you get on a slippery slope isn't it?

Drug testing has to be the most extreme invasion of privacy ever! But the argument a couple of decades back was: "We need to make sure that the people working high risk jobs aren't high"

It made sense. Who wants to fly on a plane with a pilot stoned out of his mind? Or have a guy working a construction crane over a city street jacked up on crystal meth?

So the Supreme Court took us one step closer to a "1984" Orwellian world by ruling it constitutional.

But then...insurance companies pounced on that to try and jack up rates if you did NOT test your employees.

So now we have EVERY employee of EVERY company being fucking drug tested! Unreal.

And now I see on the news that a Senator is proposing that we drug test homeless people to ensure that they don't use any govt. handouts to buy drugs.

Where the fuck does it all end?

directfiesta 06-29-2010 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions (Post 17289267)
Normally, immigration becomes a hot political issue during a recession. Is the recent debate about immigration just part of this pattern or does it signal a fundamental shift?

It did in the 30's

At that time, Jews were identified as the cause ... we know what happened .



FYI, we have mexicans coming everey summerto Ontario and Quebec. They pick different crops . They are unionized and paid very decently. Once the seaqson is done, they go back home with their $$$ ; come back following season.


Funny how for the USA it was fine 10 years ago to exploit them with low wages and awfull living conditions ...

directfiesta 06-29-2010 10:07 PM



Good thing he addressed it during his short term ....

dig420 06-29-2010 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17289971)
It did in the 30's

At that time, Jews were identified as the cause ... we know what happened .



FYI, we have mexicans coming everey summerto Ontario and Quebec. They pick different crops . They are unionized and paid very decently. Once the seaqson is done, they go back home with their $$$ ; come back following season.


Funny how for the USA it was fine 10 years ago to exploit them with low wages and awfull living conditions ...

It's still fine when crops need picking or houses need built or children need a nanny. It's only NOT fine when some rightwing blowhard starts stirring up the talk radio crowd around election time.

Vendzilla 06-30-2010 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 17289302)
If we are being 100% fair, Bush talked about "securing our borders" right after 9/11. He even sent Colin Powell out to all the news stations explaining out border security was something we needed because 10,000 illegals come into this country every day and any one of them could be a terrorist.

So with about 5 1/2 years where he and the republicans held all three houses, he talked and did nothing. So it isn't 100% fair to just lay all the blame on Obama for not getting this done.

Obama has to take some heat because he is legally challenging the Arizona law yet seems to have no policy of his own which seems kind of hypocritical, but border security is not solely his fault.

And Bush can do what RIGHT NOW? Not a fucking thing, so I'm going to blame the asshole in charge that's doing NOTHING

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17289746)
Wow! I didn't even consider those ramifications!
Hey I have a crazy idea: How about we let GROWN UPS alone that want to smoke a fucking plant! :1orglaugh

Wouldn't that be something? Actual freedom? Everybody NOT in jail. The police state NOT all over our ass? Violence on the border NOT happening?

EDIT: Oh yeah. I almost forgot: One Hundred American Versions Of The Iron Curtain

OK, I'll give you some slack because your don't read, those assholes are sending illegal aliens to our national forests to grow pot and they're trashing our parks, READ YOU ASSHAT, this isn't about the pot for me, it's about the fucking mess these asshats leave behind. I grow pot dipshit! Maybe you should talk to the police and forest service rangers that have been shot at you fucking TARD! Maybe you should go for a hike thru the national forest where they have set up METH LABS and poisoned the streams and had explosions that have started fires. Get off your high horse and give a shit about something besides your own self!

So forgive me if I tell you a big FUCK YOU to your freedom, what about the freedom to drive down a highway near the border without worrying about about being shot at, what about hiking thru a national forest without wondering onto a grow farm set up by illegal aliens that will protect their crop with guns.

You're a fucking moron if you think this is just about one thing or another, it's about the freedom of the citizens of this country.

Secure the border, then deal with the problem, if you don't like it, sorry!

Vendzilla 06-30-2010 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 17290075)
It's still fine when crops need picking or houses need built or children need a nanny. It's only NOT fine when some rightwing blowhard starts stirring up the talk radio crowd around election time.

And yet another fucking moron chimes in not knowing a fucking thing, you think that American people can't do anything? I worked construction for 12 years in LA and never needed an illegal alien to help me. Less than 2% of the illegal aliens are crop pickers, so fuck you on that, more of them are squirting out anchor babies and living on welfare you fucking moron. One county in California spent 67 million dollars last year on welfare for anchor babies, you think they have parents that are picking lettuce?

Vendzilla 06-30-2010 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17289971)
FYI, we have mexicans coming everey summerto Ontario and Quebec. They pick different crops . They are unionized and paid very decently. Once the seaqson is done, they go back home with their $$$ ; come back following season.

...

So they have work visas? Green cards?
Then your statement is in favor of stopping illegal immigration, thanx

Robbie 06-30-2010 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17291113)
READ YOU ASSHAT
you fucking TARD
FUCK YOU
You're a fucking moron

Brother, you better hope I don't see you anytime soon. Fuck that.

directfiesta 06-30-2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17291133)
And yet another fucking moron chimes in not knowing a fucking thing, you think that American people can't do anything? I worked construction for 12 years in LA and never needed an illegal alien to help me. Less than 2% of the illegal aliens are crop pickers, so fuck you on that, more of them are squirting out anchor babies and living on welfare you fucking moron. One county in California spent 67 million dollars last year on welfare for anchor babies, you think they have parents that are picking lettuce?

WOW !!!! So much hatred .. must regret not being born in the early 1900 ...

Now, funny that under " your guys " , amnesty was granted, border was not secured, but YOU were nowhere to be seen venting like now ( I admit " your guys " were WHITE ) ...

And if someone would have complained about "illegals" , you would probably have posted this :

Quote:

By JULIA PRESTON
Published: September 22, 2006

LAKEPORT, Calif. ? The pear growers here in Lake County waited decades for a crop of shapely fruit like the one that adorned their orchards last month.

?I felt like I went to heaven,? said Nick Ivicevich, recalling the perfection of his most abundant crop in 45 years of tending trees.

Now harvest time has passed and tons of pears have ripened to mush on their branches, while the ground of Mr. Ivicevich?s orchard reeks with rotting fruit. He and other growers in Lake County, about 90 miles north of San Francisco, could not find enough pickers.

Stepped-up border enforcement kept many illegal Mexican migrant workers out of California this year, farmers and labor contractors said, putting new strains on the state?s shrinking seasonal farm labor force.

Labor shortages have also been reported by apple growers in Washington and upstate New York. Growers have gone from frustrated to furious with Congress, which has all but given up on passing legislation this year to create an agricultural guest-worker program.

Last week, 300 growers representing every major agricultural state rallied on the front lawn of the Capitol carrying baskets of fruit to express their ire.

This year?s shortages are compounding a flight from the fields by Mexican workers already in the United States. As it has become harder to get into this country, many illegal immigrants have been reluctant to return to Mexico in the off-season. Remaining here year-round, they have gravitated toward more stable jobs.

?When you?re having to pay housing costs, it?s very difficult to survive and wait for the next agricultural season to come around,? said Jack King, head of national affairs for the California Farm Bureau Federation.

California farms employ at least 450,000 people at the peak of the harvest, with farm workers progressing from one crop to the next, stringing together as much as seven months of work. Growers estimate the state fell short this harvest season by 70,000 workers. Joe Bautista, a labor contractor from Stockton who brings crews to Lake County, said about one-third of his regular workers stayed home in Mexico this year, while others were caught by the Border Patrol trying to enter the United States.

With fewer workers, Mr. Bautista fell behind in harvests near Sacramento and arrived weeks late in Lake County. ?There was a lot of pressure on the contractors,? he said. ?But there is only so much we can do. There wasn?t enough labor.?

For years, economists say, California farmers have been losing their pickers to less strenuous, more stable and sometimes higher-paying jobs in construction, landscaping and tourism.

?If you want another low-wage job, you can work in a hotel and not die in the heat,? said Marc Grossman, the spokesman for the United Farm Workers of America. The union calculates that up to 15 percent of California?s farm labor force leaves agriculture each year.

As they sum up this season?s losses, estimated to be at least $10 million for California pear farmers alone, growers in the state mainly blame Republican lawmakers in Washington for stalling immigration legislation that would have addressed the shortage by authorizing a guest-worker program for agriculture. Many growers, a dependably Republican group, said they felt betrayed.

?After a while, you get done being sad and start being really angry,? said Toni Scully, a lifelong Republican whose family owns a pear-packing operation in Lake County. ?The Republicans have given us a lot of lip service, and our crops are hanging on the trees rotting.?
Tons more pears that were harvested were rejected by Mrs. Scully?s packing plant because they were picked too late. The rejects were dumped in a farm lot, mounds of pungent fruit swarming with bees, left to be eaten by deer. ?The anthem about the fruited plain,? Mrs. Scully said sadly, ?I don?t think this is what they had in mind.?

Some economists and advocates for farm workers say the labor shortages would ease if farmers would pay more. Lake County growers said that pickers? pay was not low ? up to $150 a day ? and that they had been ready to pay even more to save their crops. ?I would have raised my wages,? said Steve Winant, a pear grower whose 14-acre orchard is still laden with overripe fruit. ?But there weren?t any people to pay.?

The tightening of the border with Mexico, begun more than a decade ago but reinforced since May with the deployment of 6,000 National Guard troops, has forced California growers to acknowledge that most of their workers are illegal Mexican migrants. The U.F.W. estimates that more than 90 percent of the state?s farm workers are illegal.

and it continues : http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/wa...22growers.html
Walmart : White bed sheets on sale !!!!

directfiesta 06-30-2010 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17291148)
So they have work visas? Green cards?
Then your statement is in favor of stopping illegal immigration, thanx

We are smarter then you guys :2 cents:

DateDoc 06-30-2010 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SykkBoy2 (Post 17288330)
I think all of the Arizonian illegals are coming into Nevada faster....they seemed to have doubled in numbers outside Star Nursery and Home Depot the last couple days...I better hurry and get my $20 yard crew before they are shipped back to Arizona...

NV is working on its own law just like the one AZ has.

Nikki_Licks 06-30-2010 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17291198)
WOW !!!! So much hatred .. must regret not being born in the early 1900 ...

Now, funny that under " your guys " , amnesty was granted, border was not secured, but YOU were nowhere to be seen venting like now ( I admit " your guys " were WHITE ) ...

And if someone would have complained about "illegals" , you would probably have posted this :



Walmart : White bed sheets on sale !!!!

Your point?

Worthless assumption......

Nikki_Licks 06-30-2010 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc (Post 17291217)
NV is working on its own law just like the one AZ has.

Ya have to love it :thumbsup

I have a feeling the feds will be back peddling when more and more states jump on board :thumbsup

directfiesta 06-30-2010 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 17291237)
Your point?

Worthless assumption......

Didn't expect you to catch it ...

Nikki_Licks 06-30-2010 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17291293)
Didn't expect you to catch it ...

:winkwink::winkwink:

Sly 06-30-2010 09:38 AM

We don't need anymore immigration violence. We have enough right here on GFY. Anyone have a heartattack yet?

Nikki_Licks 06-30-2010 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 17291341)
Anyone have a heartattack yet?

Now that made me want to visit heartattack grill today :thumbsup

BigDeanEvans 06-30-2010 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17291153)
Brother, you better hope I don't see you anytime soon. Fuck that.

Smack the shit out of him for me too.

bbobby86 06-30-2010 09:51 AM

totally worthless...

Vendzilla 06-30-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17291153)
Brother, you better hope I don't see you anytime soon. Fuck that.

Read your posts and wonder why people don't get pissed at you, and don't come back with threats, just shows how juvenile you are and will get you banned from the board, remember, this is GO FUCK YOUR SELF dot COM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17291206)
We are smarter then you guys :2 cents:

Typical defence when you have none


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