I don't know I had a hard time reading it too lol:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh doh, i'm loaded up on caffeine&thc! :1orglaugh

Lies. Lies lies lies lies.

Do the math. Figure out how many men (and women) we have in Iraq and Afghanistan. It sounds like a staggering number.

There's currently less than 100k in Iraq. There is 94k in Afighanistan. So figure like 200k troops total.

Then figure the US Marines, the smallest branch, has some 400k members. Do the math. If we need to deploy two hundred thousand troops into Iran, we can. Not to mention we already have the infrastructure - Iran is surrounded by GASP Iraq and Afghanistan.... And all of our troops there.

Trust me, if we needed to.... We could place millions of troops into another country if given enough time.

America is in every single country surrounding iran from what I see.

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No matter what you think about iran, this war will shoot gas prices sky high in the US

Fear of potential Iranian nuclear blackmail in the region methinks.

Of course, this might well be a more compelling reason.

As I recall, Shrub didn't take too kindly to Saddam pulling the same stunt back in '03.

if you want to boil troop deployment statistics down to # of troop deployed compared to total troops, you begin by oversimplifying the statistics. dwell ratios, european deployments, homeland security deployments, deployment time used, cooks, supply chain resources, adminstrative staff,etc are all MAJOR factors. i won't sit here and claim i understand it, but to say it's as simple as you describe is way off.

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Interesting stuff right there.

Everyone loves a good War Thread!

Do you believe we will live through WWIII?

I envision World War III to be more like the Cold War than a war like World War II.

There's going to be a war with Iran? when did this happen? why wasn't i informed?

I think they just sent the letters out today.

It can be done...but instead of a tour of 12-15 months...it would probably have to be for duration...like it was during the Second World War...or they could reinstitue the draft in short order as the draft boards are still active and all eighteen year olds have to still register for the draft.

I doubt that a land war is necessary as we have tremendous air power capability as well as Naval power. Air strikes and a Naval blockade of the Gulf would bring Iran to its knees in a reasonably short period of time. When all is said and done Iran's military capabilities compared to ours is insignificant.

Do you really think its going to be a full blown war, or just another Iraq and then decade+ of mess?

i wonder what part that does play.

I just posted the article, but IF we REALLY DID go to war with Iran, then I think all bets are off.

I do not believe it will be "like" any other war to date, and I have no idea why we would allow ourselves to be dragged into it.

In my opinion, it would be the dumbest war we could ever get involved in. :2 cents:

i'm not sure what the # is but there is a large % of troops who've been re-re-re-deployed, right? the military has even recently considered lowering deployment to 8 months.

but i hear what you are saying and agree, if shit hit the fan and we needed to we could increase troop #s etc. but seriously, i can't discount how much these guys weigh history, 2 long protracted wars + 1 is truly against the odds of history. maybe i'm giving too much credit to the top brass but usually those guys are the smartest guys in the room and they look for winnable outcomes/goals.

Yes...I know people that are on their fifth deployment and most have been deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan. One...a helicopter pilot...was just redeployed this month for his third tour in Iraq...and has served two tours in Afghanistan. His 20 years will be in before he finishes the current tour in Iraq and he as yet to decide if he is going to retire at 20 or go for 30.

Iraq and Afganistan did not need to be prolonged...our politicians for whatever their reasons decided to occupy the two countries and do nation building In both countries the military and governments were defeated in a matter of weeks...and victory should have been declared and our forces withdrawn.

There would be no need to engage in a land war in Iran...or to occupy the country...or to nation build. With air strikes and a Naval blockade they can be brought to thier knees in short thrift. That is not to say that our politicians...for whatever their reasons...would not once again engage in a prolonged affair.

After they bomb Iran in November we are looking at WW 3 unfortunately.

LOL the taliban control 70% of Afganistan after 9 years. Our military capabilities are AWESOME!

Whatever percentage they do...or do not control...is the fault of politicians micro managing the military...not the fault of the military.

Was Rumsfeld a politician, or part of the military, when he said Iraq would cost no more than $2 billion, and last maybe around 6 days?

just let me know when i can start tearing up ohio.

Rumsfeld was a civilian/politician...and part of the civilian micro management of the military...in addition to not being the sharpest knive in the drawer.

BTW...we defeated the Iraqi military and overthrew the government in 24 days...mission accomplished by our military...but for whatever the reasons the politicians decided to occupy the country and do nation building.

iran and iraq war lasted 10-11 years with a stalemate and you see what we did to iraq in short order...

our technology is far superior to any nation out there, but i dont think we would want a quick war..


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It is an interesting development if true. If true it shows just how serious the Saudis are about stopping Iran from going nuclear...... as allowing Israel to stage an attack form their soil would be unprecedented...... to say the least. :2 cents:

The russians lost.

November? For the mid-terms? LOL, I'll give them a little more credit than that.

Don't know how that makes much sense. Iraq was fighting iran with our weapons.

can't wait, let's get everyone trained on how to use an automatic weapon ASAP ... mom too !

They were primarily fighting with soviet weapons...some French and...I think...some German weapons. With any military one has to have training/discipline/the will to fight...or the weapons are basically useless.

What do you believe? What is true, what is propaganda?

How can anyone believe ANYTHING anymore?

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

i dont think they were given any kind of our latest technology..

also, that was a long time ago and our weaponry has grown leaps and bounds...

the US would decimate iran in a war just like we did in iraq...

and just like iraq, we will be stuck there playing police force for the next hundred years..





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I would take a vacation at this place.

This is greatly offensive.

You have to understand two things about the American military.

1) ALL rules of engagement, policies and movement are determined by their civilian leaders. The military is only as good as the politicians allow them to be. Right now their hands are tied and unable to complete the task at hand. This has NOTHING to do with the ability of these brave men and women soldiers.

2) The US military is capable of handling any job. They are brave, well trained, willing and able. Any short comings come from politicians, not those in uniform.

You must understand the system. You can not point fingers at soldiers who's job is to OBEY ORDERS. However if you give them an order or a task, they will complete it with success so long as their hands are not tied, as they are now.

:1orglaugh nice backtrack.

how do you plan on killing guys who bunker in some of the most treacherous land on the planet? make a giant bulldozer and run over mountains?

you can drop 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x bombs and it wont make a dent in the landscape of these mountains.

the military is funded BY CIVILIANS, thus why you have civilian leaders directing it. without tax payer dollars you have no military. YOU must understand the system.

what if the job is not meant to be completed? how do you have a successful task that is not meant to be finished in the first place?

Excellent critique.

ya great critique!

military should have power over itself.

we all know how great military dictatorship turns out.

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