I'm still fucking pissed over this shit. He moved in, renting the house, and turned it into a fucking business. I run a business from my home but it has zero impact on my neighborhood; He had his entire transient staff living with him - garage full of trailers, short little driveway crammed with work trucks. Eight in the morning, everyone is rushing to work, I'm trying to get my kid to school, and nine times out of then they were trying to hook up a trailer to a truck in the middle of the fucking street. It was fucking bullshit and I called the HOA, the zoning commission, and the cops every chance I could to evict them.

So basically, you've posted a liberal article which is in support of people who enter the country illegally, and shows that white people are racist.

Reagan did not support federal initiatives to provide blacks with civil rights. He opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

You shut your dirty liberal hippie mouth. President Reagan gave amnesty to illegals.

move them in next to Brujah and lets see how he feels.

let me guess he isnt even from arizona lolz.

It is Cheap!
Sucks, but they will work for a LOT less, and the person that hired them at the lower rate, also is not paying Taxes, Social Security, Unemployment, Medical... So as you can see it is way cheaper!
Do I agree HELL NO! We offer ways to become legal, or get work visas.

Brujah, cool, he made it illegal for employers to employ illegal aliens, so lets go for it and drag those guys down, he was also for taking down walls, but as a strong military comander, he would be putting up walls right now, because thats what the people want, he also wasn't a PUSSY about things and would be doing it NOW. You think we would have this problem with Iran right now if we did things his way?

Our country would be a lot better off if Reagan was in charge, so didn't like the things he did, but when he left office, the country was in great shape, alot better than the Obamanation is leaving it

Brujah's Mom would most definitely object. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Exactly! Not to mention how tough he was on drugs, and we'd never even be considering legalizing marijuana. We need more drug testing, and cracking down on recreational marijuana use. These criminals are breaking our laws and need to be put in prison.

I have family and friends in Arizona. Proud hispanic Americans.

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ZING

people who have to compare a totally non related subject to try to support an original subject generally have 0 backing for the original subject in the first place.

if you cannot stick to one topic it shows you already do not know what you are talking about.

Keep up. Elsewhere in the topic someone else (you) said it doesn't matter. Illegal is Illegal. Period. It deserves to be applied to illegal drug use.

ok ill play.

law should boil down to community standards. that is why places like denver have decriminalized carrying a certain amount of weed. they even voted on it.

have a vote in arizona what they feel they should do about illegals.

there is an election going on now for governor in arizona right now. jan brewers entire campaign is based off of she is not afraid to take action against the illegals. if she is voted into office again it will show what the people feel.

my dad took 15 years to become an american, he did it the legal way. now he is a citizen. if he can do it than so can anyone else. if these people cannot do it based on standards they need to have to enter the country they should not be allowed in the first place.

i have been waiting 3 years+ for my green card. i am doing it the legal way. if i can do it the legal way so can anyone else.

i was just in arizona i dont hop the boarder and decide to stay for years on end. it doesnt matter if you have family there. life is about sacrifice. if you are not willing to sacrifice you do not deserve to enter in the first place. becoming a citizen of another country is not a right.

now this thread is about ILLEGAL IMIGRATION, not everything ILLEGAL. if you cannot stick to that topic it shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

Are you forgetting that President Reagan started the ball rolling to borowing money from foreign countries as he was the first President to do this and that he quadrupled the National Debt during his eight years in office...how can anyone call that leaving the country in great shape?

I don't disagree with your recent post about the Pathway to Citizenship. They're already illegal. A new law doesn't need to be made to make that true.

This new law is about giving law enforcement a broad scope to target you for having brown skin, whether you are LEGAL or not.

where does it say in this law "target people with brown skin".

you will not find it. you are making it up in your head. i call it the "reverend jesse jackson syndrome" when everything boils back to race.

if there were millions of illegal Ukrainians in arizona i would expect the highest percentage of Ukrainians to be questioned. the law says for all illegals. if you twist this into a mexican issue that is your own personal agenda.

stop twisting this into a race thing, step back and realize that their truly is a problem. i dont view brown skinned people as illegals or even mexican. anytime i struck up a convo with a person who happened to have brown skin they had a thicker american accent than a lot of white people i talked to.

i can bet anyone who has a problem with this law has a vice in it like having illegal family members in the USA. anyone who had to go through what my dad did including all people who did it legally you can guarantee agrees with the law mexican or not.

so let me ask YOU do you have family members in the USA who are there illegally?

The law states that one cannot be targeted...other than in the process of SOP's for law enforcement...such as being pulled over for a traffic violation or other SOP's for law enforcement intervention.

What do you think these honorable police officers will use as a determining factor in who to suspect is an illegal?

Living in the states for 3 years (LEGALLY) I saw a lot more LAZY ASS useless American white trash rather then lazy immigrants, usually immigrants want to succeed in life, that's why they move out of their home country.

p.s. Americans should know how to type HERE, and not hear...can you hear me now? good.

In the course of SOP's for lawful intervention...the determining factor will be the training they have received...which I would assume would include...can the subject speak english...does the subject have legal id such as a driver's license/state issued id...social security card etc. etc.

funny stuff

I can barely understand my Indian doctor, or when I call for Chinese take-out. This should be fun to see the statistics on how the Arizona law actually goes down.

if you are suggesting that all police officers will have a personal vendetta against mexicans you are extremely wrong.

if someone has a personal vendetta against a race a law created to stop illegal immigration is not going to start or stop that.

so what do you call the officers with mexican decent that bust illegals who happen to be mexican? is he also racial profiling?

so every mexican that gets stopped you are basically saying is being racially profiled? or what are you suggesting?

read my post about ukrainians. it is due to a percentage issue nothing more nothing less.

again i will ask you: do YOU have any relatives that are in the USA illegally?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Riiigggghhhttttttt.

so you do. you have a personal vendetta in this issue it is now clear.

run up a massive deficit and fight wars illegally by proxy.

Yes, we have enough problems, we don't need illegals problems also!

I guess you forgot about the end of the cold war, taking down the Berlin wall, unemployment from 10% down to what, 4? Iran backing down. But you of course just want to look at the negative.
I was in between the fleet and the coast of Iran when he took office on a nuclear submarine, so don't come at me about borrowing some money, it's a loosing debate with me. I will also remind you that my daughter is on the USS Ronald Reagan. Do you think they're going to build a USS Obamanation?
And it's not going to compare to the ASSHOLE in office that's borrowing like a 18 year old with his first credit card and wondering WTF when he gets his first statement, in this case, 2010 elections

lets see, things like they don't speak english, don't have a drivers license for the US, have 15 people in a yugo.

yeah, but most part of those jobs, americans would not accept doing, physical stuffs, etc

:1orglaugh This was a great thread. When are you bringing that politics forum online Vendzilla? I'll help you bait and troll for comments or replies.

um, I'm far from a liberal hippy. But if you want to name call go ahead, it only makes you look ignorant!

you should move to North Hollywood, CA. But make sure you speak spanish as the coupons you get in the mail won't be in english. :1orglaugh

the bad thing about this law that Arizona put into effect is that now every illegal alien will be calling for court time, free food and jail while the trial is held to see if they were racially profiled, filling up the courts and causing more costs. All because the the FUCKING IDIOT in office won't back this, FUCK HIM

Fact is laws will be enacted, opinions of people who aren't concerned are useless. Only good for views on a message board.

Bueno! Tengo hambre.

I think unless you have lived in a border state you don't fully grasp the deepness of this issue. This ISN'T about Jose taking the job I wanted my son to have at PF Changs. This is about a serious criminal element that is crossing the border and causing damage. That criminal element is from Mexico (a country not a race). Obviously a vast majority of that nationality are of a specific race so that opens the door for the race card to be played endlessly and creatively.

I have travel all over the world and on many occasions been asked to show my ID. When it happened in Thailand I would bet I stood out because I was white. Was I offended? Not a bit. I am not Thai and I was visiting their country, I have no problem if you want to know if I am there legally.

I think the law is OK, I feel nervous about how the AZ police (MANY of which are horrendous, white trash, ignorant and power hungry) will enforce it.

But we need to bring this issue to the surface. Phoenix has skyrocketed to the top of violent crime charts and kidnapping and it simply is not an influx of Australians causing it.

I have a friend who is an LAPD. He's told me all sorts of stories about when they break up coyote houses, and all the human trafficking the Mexicans do. Really terrible stuff. Houses filled to standing room only with dirty, sick people. I could go on with lots of stories from people I know right in the mix. It's not just family guys at home depot.

They're still already illegal, and already doing illegal things. This is like arguing against the right to bear arms because criminals use guns to perform illegal acts. It was already against the law in the first place, so punishing innocent gun owners isn't necessarily the right answer.

I am not forgetting anything about President Reagan's administration...and just as with every President...there are pros and cons depending upon one's individual perception. What ever his pros are percieved to be...there is not any denying the fact that the less than one trillion dollar national debt...which had taken two hundred years to reach that level...was quadrupled in his eight year term of office. What ever his accomplishments are percieved to be it was accomplished on the back of borrowing from foreign countries and putting the nation deeply in debt and every President since has followed in his foot steps of borrow and spend.

I personally do not view his administration as having left the country in great shape. The last time the country was in great shape was during the '50's...up to early or maybe mid 60's...and since then it has been all downhill...to our current situation.

Good post, I think that is point that many people don't get. I live in Seattle and saw a protest against the AZ law. The protesters were all focused on the simplistic notion that AZ was just trying to kick out good hard working people that are taking "good" American jobs.

(BTW, I lived in Phoenix for 8 years and San Diego for 5)

OHHH so it comes out. Because you are Hispanic, these laws upsets you? That would explain why you are getting all Jesse Jackson in this thread. You need to think logically and quit getting all EMO in this thread.

I am Latin, my grandfather was the 1st Hispanic in the US to own a radio station in Texas. I got through college with 2 degrees and through law school with the help of hispanic scholarships. Im not talking $500, im talking over $40K+ for being a latin student. Being Latin got me an education that i may not been able to get otherwise.


So, i do know where you are coming from. It kinda sux to think of your family members being fucked with by the police because they are brown skinned. But things need to change. Sacrifices need to be made.


States are going broke. There are some serious drains on our state economies because of all of the people that are here illegally. Kicking people out that dont belong here is a good start.


Do you think that good Arab+Muslim people like getting singled out in the airport? Fuck no, but surfaces need to be made there too. The airport is one place where Blacks and Mexicans will never be singled out for being a suspected terrorist.



So true.




Funny story: I was at Kino Flo in Burbank Ca. picking up a a few lights from repair 2 weeks ago. I have know all of the warehouse workers and different managers for about 8 years. I speak spanish to them and drop them all off porn DVDs. As a result i get my lights fixed fast and usually for free. Even when out of warranty. Great group of guys.


So the subject of the AZ immigration law came up and everyone thought it was fucked up and racist. So i asked them how much do you guys make an hour? $18+? My question was this "How would you feel if your White bosses called you up to the office and told you guys, you need to get your pay cut to $9 an hour because we have all of these new applicants that will do your job for $9 an hour and they are willing to start today if you say no"

I told them to keep in mind, you move boxes and anybody can be trained to do that.


All 6 of them said thats fucked up! Then i told them that Kino Flo can easily go down the street to the Home Depot parking lot and start a bidding war for your job positions. Kino Flo will easily be able to cut their warehouse budget in half, in one day.

So then i said fuck it!, lets git rid of the AZ law and give all of the illegals amnesty starting next month. We will pick a day 30 days from now and make everyone in this country legal.

How many more are gonna head over to our country when we make that amnesty announcement i asked? To further that, how many more are gonna keep coming, knowing that we give out amnesty every 10 years? Now with all of these guys with their new work permits granted by our new Amnesty laws and now looking for a job, how safe is your job now???


After i left all of these guys were pretty concerned with what i said and definitely had a different view of immigration and all of the laws pertaining to it.

In the 50's?
You mean back when they taught kids to duck and cover? Are you kidding me?

No I am not kidding you...and what does "duck and cover" have to do with our economy going down hill...since the early to mid '60's. During the '50's and early to mid '60's one average working person in the family could live the American dream...new home...new car...latest applicances...vaction's etc. etc. Those days are gone and will never return.

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The real solution is air-tight borders and numerous work depots in Mexico funded by Mexico from which the supply and demand of labor of both countries can be met while cutting the criminal element out of the loop.

This also benefits Mexico as most of the guns used in the current rash of drug violence are good ol American weapons.

Just start by giving fines to companies that hire workers without ID.

Duck and Cover come from the cold war we were in, I lived thru that and served during that, during the Reagan administration, it went bye bye.
The world was on the brink of going "poof!"
Maybe you should read a little about Cuba?

Vendzilla can you ICQ me?
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Also the largest tax increase in peacetime and lets not forget the meese commission.