Don't they have to be stopped for another crime, before they are allowed to ask if they are legal or not?

One can debate this topic until the end of time, it makes no difference - as long as illegals benefit the elites / big business, the policy will continue as is. Simple as that.

Some may chime in about most companies don't use illegals - directly, that may true, and yet the mere presence of millions of able working illegals puts downward pressure on wages across the board.

And also affects shopping habits - illegals have very little money (especially after sending home much of their earnings) to spend and hence shop for the cheapest goods possible with little thought to quality / service; price is of paramount importance. That mentality rubs off onto much of the population; instead seeking out some semblance of quality and service, now it's only about price. Over time that mentality brings down the standard of living for much of the population.

Anyways, bottom line is that illegals will continue to be tolerated until such time that the elites / big business feel they're not welcomed and/or most of the jobs they seek dry up ...

Keep in mind that many of the illegals here have many, many children, who, despite their parent's status, are considered U.S. citizens ... so even if no more illegals came, the large population they've generated remains.

Automation combined with a lower standard of living is an unemployment train-wreck ... it's already happening, and is picking up speed ... I'll end this post on the following factoid...

There are approx 30 million more people in the U.S. than in 2000 and yet about the same number of jobs; many of which pay less than in 2000. And it's going to get worse, since even now, the U.S. population is still growing at around 3 million per year, but total number of jobs isn't ... *just to match* population growth (taking into account retirements / deaths) requires the addition of approx 100,000-150,000 new jobs each month! That's not happening.

Ron

If you want the fucking facts, you need to do research, not read a single fucking article with a slanted view. Your article mentions that "violent crime went down in Nogales, Arizona". But if you do thirty seconds of research you discover that what they really did was pull a fact that was true and backs up their point, while ignoring the truth - That car theft in Nogales is nearly three times the national average. Illegal aliens crossing the border at Nogales aren't doing so to commit murder and rape, but instead steal cars and rob houses and commit other small crimes, all of which are at least double the national US average in Nogales.

I'm tired of people coming on to a message board with a handful of facts from a single article that supports their point of view without doing any research. This is becoming more and more common. This happens a lot with the threads about politics and about the Middle East. People are sheep and believe what they want to believe in; They read a single article that supports what they believe and accept it as truth.

It has nothing to do with skin color, race, or nationality. If your Canadian and here illegally, your a criminal. No exceptions.

I fail to understand why we allow anyone from any other country to come into the US and work legally. Until the day when unemployment in the US is 0%, no one who isn't a US citizen should be allowed to work.

Really?? And when Reagan did that, did the illegals stop coming? I see you got a great messages to send the rest of the world, "Come to the US illegally, get free health care and free public services and we will eventually give you amnesty".


Brujah, i ask you over and over for a solution other than what Az did and this is your answer? Really? so this is what your gonna stick with? Amnesty and lenient immigration laws? This is your genius solution? Wow! I dont even have to comment. You pretty much summed up your intelligence level right there. Good job dude.:thumbsup



I have come to the conclusion that if you don't live in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas what ever you have to say negative about tougher immigration laws really has no validity, because you clearly have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.


If you had one of your family members get hit and killed by a car driven by a drunk uninsured, unlicensed, illegal Mexican immigrant, you would look at things very differently. But you live all the way in Florida and have no concept on what im talking about. But this story happens very frequently in boarder towns.



You started a nice thread, but since you don't live on any boarder states why don't you do a little bit more research before you post anything else about what States should or should not do in regards to immigration laws. Its call Google, its free, use it.:thumbsup



Agreed:thumbsup

Jut for clarification, there is a large segment of illegals in the Florida population.

Apart from the ones migrating for criminal activity like thieving anyone that comes as cheap labour is only able to do so because there are available jobs. Use a cheap immigrant gardener or labourer then you are part of the cause.

that is one fucked situation for that guy:Oh crap

What would Reagan do?

http://people.virginia.edu/~ted9t/CY...ges/reagan.jpg

Come to think of it, your right.

My sister in law is Cuban, came over here on a boat, two sons in her arms, with her sister, big sob story, blah blah blah.

Her sister, who is still not an American citizen, is a living off of the system. She can't work because of a "hand injury", and instead lives off of welfare and various state support. Nearly fucking twenty years we've been supporting this woman, and she hasn't even bothered to become a US citizen. She hasn't paid a dime into the system, and gets a wide range of benefits from it.

The two sons are even better. One of them is "slightly mentally retarded" due to a boating accident when he was young (although in his defense he's a nice guy and helps out with the family down in Socal). We pay to support to him via our taxes, even though he never put anything into it and isn't a US citizen.

The other son is even better. He's wasn't a US citizen, started dating this (smoking hot) chick, knocking her up four times in five years and having four kids. Being as he isn't a US citizen finding a job was difficult for him, being as he's here illegally, couldn't legally get a job to support his growing family. They lived off of her support (for four kids our taxes were paying for). They got into drugs, the heavy stuff. No one heard from them for a few weeks, and the grandmother (my sister in law) showed up unannounced, found her son and his girlfriend strung out on a two week binge, the kids eating their own crap. Cops were called, and they haven't seen the kids since. The four kids are now being raised by my sister in law and the grandparents on the other side. BTW, these kids are in fact Americans, and we are paying out the ass for them.

I'm not saying immigrants are lazy. Some of them are very hard working, very much so. But those are the ones who come to the US legally, work their way through the system, and become US citizens. Don't give me no bullshit about how difficult it is to become a US citizen; You fill out some paperwork, pay the fee, do your time, and then take the test. I helped a friend study for the test a long time ago. The test, btw, I bet 90% of Americans wouldn't pass - I know sure wouldn't.

I'm still fucking pissed over this shit. He moved in, renting the house, and turned it into a fucking business. I run a business from my home but it has zero impact on my neighborhood; He had his entire transient staff living with him - garage full of trailers, short little driveway crammed with work trucks. Eight in the morning, everyone is rushing to work, I'm trying to get my kid to school, and nine times out of then they were trying to hook up a trailer to a truck in the middle of the fucking street. It was fucking bullshit and I called the HOA, the zoning commission, and the cops every chance I could to evict them.

So basically, you've posted a liberal article which is in support of people who enter the country illegally, and shows that white people are racist.

Reagan did not support federal initiatives to provide blacks with civil rights. He opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

You shut your dirty liberal hippie mouth. President Reagan gave amnesty to illegals.

move them in next to Brujah and lets see how he feels.

let me guess he isnt even from arizona lolz.

It is Cheap!
Sucks, but they will work for a LOT less, and the person that hired them at the lower rate, also is not paying Taxes, Social Security, Unemployment, Medical... So as you can see it is way cheaper!
Do I agree HELL NO! We offer ways to become legal, or get work visas.

Brujah, cool, he made it illegal for employers to employ illegal aliens, so lets go for it and drag those guys down, he was also for taking down walls, but as a strong military comander, he would be putting up walls right now, because thats what the people want, he also wasn't a PUSSY about things and would be doing it NOW. You think we would have this problem with Iran right now if we did things his way?

Our country would be a lot better off if Reagan was in charge, so didn't like the things he did, but when he left office, the country was in great shape, alot better than the Obamanation is leaving it

Brujah's Mom would most definitely object. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Exactly! Not to mention how tough he was on drugs, and we'd never even be considering legalizing marijuana. We need more drug testing, and cracking down on recreational marijuana use. These criminals are breaking our laws and need to be put in prison.

I have family and friends in Arizona. Proud hispanic Americans.

:1orglaugh

ZING

people who have to compare a totally non related subject to try to support an original subject generally have 0 backing for the original subject in the first place.

if you cannot stick to one topic it shows you already do not know what you are talking about.

Keep up. Elsewhere in the topic someone else (you) said it doesn't matter. Illegal is Illegal. Period. It deserves to be applied to illegal drug use.

ok ill play.

law should boil down to community standards. that is why places like denver have decriminalized carrying a certain amount of weed. they even voted on it.

have a vote in arizona what they feel they should do about illegals.

there is an election going on now for governor in arizona right now. jan brewers entire campaign is based off of she is not afraid to take action against the illegals. if she is voted into office again it will show what the people feel.

my dad took 15 years to become an american, he did it the legal way. now he is a citizen. if he can do it than so can anyone else. if these people cannot do it based on standards they need to have to enter the country they should not be allowed in the first place.

i have been waiting 3 years+ for my green card. i am doing it the legal way. if i can do it the legal way so can anyone else.

i was just in arizona i dont hop the boarder and decide to stay for years on end. it doesnt matter if you have family there. life is about sacrifice. if you are not willing to sacrifice you do not deserve to enter in the first place. becoming a citizen of another country is not a right.

now this thread is about ILLEGAL IMIGRATION, not everything ILLEGAL. if you cannot stick to that topic it shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

Are you forgetting that President Reagan started the ball rolling to borowing money from foreign countries as he was the first President to do this and that he quadrupled the National Debt during his eight years in office...how can anyone call that leaving the country in great shape?

I don't disagree with your recent post about the Pathway to Citizenship. They're already illegal. A new law doesn't need to be made to make that true.

This new law is about giving law enforcement a broad scope to target you for having brown skin, whether you are LEGAL or not.

where does it say in this law "target people with brown skin".

you will not find it. you are making it up in your head. i call it the "reverend jesse jackson syndrome" when everything boils back to race.

if there were millions of illegal Ukrainians in arizona i would expect the highest percentage of Ukrainians to be questioned. the law says for all illegals. if you twist this into a mexican issue that is your own personal agenda.

stop twisting this into a race thing, step back and realize that their truly is a problem. i dont view brown skinned people as illegals or even mexican. anytime i struck up a convo with a person who happened to have brown skin they had a thicker american accent than a lot of white people i talked to.

i can bet anyone who has a problem with this law has a vice in it like having illegal family members in the USA. anyone who had to go through what my dad did including all people who did it legally you can guarantee agrees with the law mexican or not.

so let me ask YOU do you have family members in the USA who are there illegally?

The law states that one cannot be targeted...other than in the process of SOP's for law enforcement...such as being pulled over for a traffic violation or other SOP's for law enforcement intervention.

What do you think these honorable police officers will use as a determining factor in who to suspect is an illegal?

Living in the states for 3 years (LEGALLY) I saw a lot more LAZY ASS useless American white trash rather then lazy immigrants, usually immigrants want to succeed in life, that's why they move out of their home country.

p.s. Americans should know how to type HERE, and not hear...can you hear me now? good.

In the course of SOP's for lawful intervention...the determining factor will be the training they have received...which I would assume would include...can the subject speak english...does the subject have legal id such as a driver's license/state issued id...social security card etc. etc.

funny stuff

I can barely understand my Indian doctor, or when I call for Chinese take-out. This should be fun to see the statistics on how the Arizona law actually goes down.

if you are suggesting that all police officers will have a personal vendetta against mexicans you are extremely wrong.

if someone has a personal vendetta against a race a law created to stop illegal immigration is not going to start or stop that.

so what do you call the officers with mexican decent that bust illegals who happen to be mexican? is he also racial profiling?

so every mexican that gets stopped you are basically saying is being racially profiled? or what are you suggesting?

read my post about ukrainians. it is due to a percentage issue nothing more nothing less.

again i will ask you: do YOU have any relatives that are in the USA illegally?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Riiigggghhhttttttt.

so you do. you have a personal vendetta in this issue it is now clear.

run up a massive deficit and fight wars illegally by proxy.

Yes, we have enough problems, we don't need illegals problems also!

I guess you forgot about the end of the cold war, taking down the Berlin wall, unemployment from 10% down to what, 4? Iran backing down. But you of course just want to look at the negative.
I was in between the fleet and the coast of Iran when he took office on a nuclear submarine, so don't come at me about borrowing some money, it's a loosing debate with me. I will also remind you that my daughter is on the USS Ronald Reagan. Do you think they're going to build a USS Obamanation?
And it's not going to compare to the ASSHOLE in office that's borrowing like a 18 year old with his first credit card and wondering WTF when he gets his first statement, in this case, 2010 elections

lets see, things like they don't speak english, don't have a drivers license for the US, have 15 people in a yugo.