Where the heck did that come from? Please don't paint me as the bad guy, I am not the one giving a platform to a guy running a bogus campaign, now am I?

And I am not painting webmasters as being stupid and incapable of thinking. I find it a bit concerning about the approach of x-biz giving this idiot a platform, that's all.

Care to address the question that was posed earlier which might have slipped by you ;)

Here is one: Simple answer would be fine, I know you are busy

This was posted by crazytrini85:
What was the defining factor that made you change your mind about profiting from .XXX?

I am curious to know this answer.....

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether XBIZ should provide a platform to "outsiders".

In regards to the strangely worded question you pointed out, there's never been a "defining factor" for me.

If you are wondering why XBIZ is not taking sides on this issue, it is because this issue is within the law.

In case you have information contrary to this, feel free to email me or post it here.

The outsider thing was my only concern and why he was given that platform. It appears to me that x-biz is taking sides there by creating an open forum for him to keep pushing his agenda. Personally, I would not believe a word this guy speaks, but that is just me.

The other question, as I mentioned, was posted by someone else and I was curious what the answer may be to that.


Thanks for your comments
Have a great weekend.....:thumbsup

I'm with XBIZ on this... XBIZ is an industry source... it shouldn't be closed to anyone who is in any way related to the adult industry, regardless of their views, opinions, and motives. In my opinion XBIZ should not be censoring anything or anyone... that would disqualify them as a non biased source.

Never thought of it that way, you do have a very good point :thumbsup

I guess I viewed it differently because of my dislike for this individual, Lawley.....oh well, live and learn ;)

i've thrown in a few comments on the thread, the whole thing is a load of horse crap.

.xxx will have value if people give it value. its just another extension with all the true value of .info etc

someones just weasling in to try to make millions on a "bright idea."

three facts on .xxx and its intentions.

1) the intention is to bilk money from the adult industry.

2) the intention is not to stop kids from seeing porn.

3) the intention is to bilk money from the adult industry.

Damn, I am truly impressed... it's such a rarity when someone has logic and reason break through their emotions. Even rarer when they realize what the cause was and rarer still to actually admit it.

You win 100 Internets for self progression and have gained clarity of vision :thumbsup

My respect for you just doubled :P

This person should go on xbiz and leave this in lawley's discussion thread.

http://www.mikesouth.com/uncategoriz...ec-helmy-3922/

Well, where I get a bit peeved about this whole .xxxtld issue is the so called campaign to protect children that Lawley uses. It's a great idea, but I see another angle to his scheme as I think we all do, it's called money/greed.

Everyone is on the wagon to protect children, including myself, and what a great platform for him to so wittingly use so that the price of the 60 or 70 dollar .xxxtld won't appear that unreasonable because he is really concerned and helping protect children etc.....

If he is so concerned about protecting children, then in a show of good faith and to prove that his campaign is in fact to protect children, he should see that the .xxxtld price is lowered to the .comtld price. That in itself will show his true colors!

$60.00 or $70.00 VS $10.00 or $12.00?....you tell me

Thanks. Sometimes when you get a bit heated, this crap happens. I did not mean to diss x-biz and it wasn't my intension, but I really had some concerns where they stood...not thinking to look in the middle...LOL

I just don't care for this lawleys tactics.....

Wow! That is all I can say...think I will go get some ice tea...

Things seem to be heating up at the discussion thread that lawley is on.

What's the FSC going to do? They don't do jack shit.

You might want to see http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=977362

I just re-read the above article and then asked Mr Lawley to comment about its content, but he instead posted the below copy/paste (see #139 Sun, Jul 11, 08:27 pm below), and my follow-up question to him;

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Sun, Jul 11, 07:51 pm
Mr Lawley, the below posting (NOT by me) on another board last week makes me worry about what else might have also happened as ICM rounded up supposed "supporters" in the past--please comment about the content of the below link, and please relate the content of that posted link to your assurances of the recent past that this sort of thing hasn't been happening. Thanks.

Here's a copy/paste of the posting on the other board:

"Article about the fraudulent tactics the ICM Registry has used in the past:

http://business.avn.com/articles/Dot...ry-396316.html "

Dave Cummings

www.davecummings.com

www.davecummings.tv

www.davecummingsvod.com

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ICM Registry
ICM Registry LLC
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11 #139 Sun, Jul 11, 08:27 pm

not even going to dignify such a silly article.



I repeat NO deals. NONE.

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Dave Cummings
Dave Cummings Productions
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46 #140 Sun, Jul 11, 08:53 pm
Originally Posted By ICM Registry:

not even going to dignify such a silly article.



I repeat NO deals. NONE.


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By "...NO deals. None", does that also mean that none were even, or ever, proposed/hinted-at by ICM or its representatives?

What does it mean when you say above "not even going to dignify such a silly article."? Is the article a lie?

Was the proposal mentioned in my above account about ICM offering FSC $10 per .xxx sign-up in exchange for its support of .xxx also a lie? See my posting #46, Jul 11th.

Thanks for answering, Mr Lawley!

Dave Cummings

www.davecummings.com

www.davecummings.tv

www.davecummingsvod.com

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Your head is too far up their ass. They continue to show how worthless they are and this is just another example.

There are not many. :2 cents:

Just look at the recent RK suit, getting sued for using music they did not have the right to use. IDIOTS. It doesn't matter how much money they have made, they are morons in the grand scheme of things and probably just got lucky in the web thing due to timing, as so many other have.

So the hate for .xxx is that the gov which doesn't control domains, will force us all onto a domain extension that they also don't control, and thus into a huge court fights over ownership, religious groups, our Industry, icann, the Gov and probably other Countries... wait, this just doesn't sound logical.

Please tell me someone has a better argument than this?

Notice how he skirted the question I asked. There is no "defining factor" because he probably still supports it. How can you go from full support and about to make serious money on it, to not supporting it and walking away from that money? Doesn't happen. He didn't just get a conscious after all of these years. Doesn't work that way.

None of these people are any of our friends. I'm not your friend, you are not mine. Each will fuck the other over in a heart beat if it means to make a little money. Our "industry leaders" won't hesitate to ass fuck everyone here if it means they can profit or remain in business another year. My personal opinion is that Xbiz is still in bed with this dirt bag and stands to profit from .xxx. I may be wrong but look at the facts and how it's playing out.


To hell with the kids. They have parents, let them act as such. :2 cents:

Parents, not any of us, need to set their computers to filter harmful material with whatever software they can get their hands on. Case closed.

That is one.

Another is, it does not help the kids and is only here to force the industry to spend more money to protect their brands and cyber squat on other peoples domains. It's going to turn into a mess.

Why isn't there a .kids and parents can set their computers to only allow this domain? Because there is no money in that. Lots of money in porn and our dumb asses will RUSH to buy as many .xxx as we can.

I want to make the entire Internet 18+ and make it criminal for parents to allow children to be on the Internet. I don't give two shits about porn though, it's the least of my worries with young minds able to surf the Internet...

Doesn't every domain extension fall under that though? Anyone can cyber squat a domain with a different extension, which is of course illegal and can be taken care of.

Clearly someone is out to clean house on this... no doubt about that. Personally I won't be buying one - I have no care for anything but .com's - I figure if it ends up going through several Gov's around the world will squash it either way.

Probably not a bad idea.

lawley posted some comments earlier today in regards to questions he was asked, and then said that he was disengaging from further discussion.

WE, however, should keep OUR discussions going, both HERE and at that discussion group---let's get a feel for how many of us are in favor of .xxx and how many are not in favor of .xxx. OK???

I'll give you a much better argument than your ignorant supposition when you actually read ICM's application, the ICANN minutes and the requisite thread histories.

If my statement is an ignorant supposition and it's taken from the responses to why I should be against .xxx, wouldn't that mean you're calling the people that don't want .xxx, ignorant?

I have been asking this for years... let me rephrase: Why should I care enough to read these things?

You guys have been asking for support for a long time but never are willing to provide the info. Sorry man, I don't have time to read that crap, I don't care enough to read it, I have a 1000 other far more important things going on in my life that I'm actually interested in.

When I can't get a tiny fraction of logical information from our industry, then I'm not going to think twice about your fears when I have my own damn problems to worry about. And honestly, I wouldn't expect anyone else to do the same either.

I actually appreciate crazytrini85 taking the time to discuss it with me... let's talk about this more.

Let's try to stick to the facts though please.. Opinions shape the reality around us all and can influence others. If we stick to the facts, nobody will be arguing over an opinion keeping the message clear.

What facts support why our Industry as a whole should care about .xxx?

He knows its nothing but a cash grab and his position is weak at best. :2 cents:

Morning bump... anyone want to take a crack it today?

For the record:

1. ASACP is a 501(c)(4).

2. Therefore no one owns it.

3. No such deal has been made.

4. The Advisory Council reviews and votes on all key matters pertaining to ASACP.

Explosive!!!!???
 

Per the below copy/paste off of the "discussion board" (see posting #1 hereto), imo the news that FSC/Diane Duke was offered something might connote to some that it was a sort of bribe --what do you folks think about that aspect, AND the below from Diane Duke?

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Fri, Jul 16, 01:38 pm
I wanted to respond to a few of the comments posted earlier.

Dave and Tom did not lie. Deals were proposed to FSC and others in 2004. It's a fact and there are NUMEROUS individuals who will attest to that.

Stuart also told me, prior to my trip to Brussels during a conversation in which he was trying to gain FSC support, that part of that $10 going to support "charities" could go to support FSC's programs. He also told me that he would offer whatever "comfort" we needed. As you can imagine, that suggestion fell flat with FSC.

Stuart tells mainstream media that the $10 of the $60 will go to protect children. He tells the adult industry that the $10 will go to protect the adult industry. Stuart, we don't have any children in the adult industry so which is it?

You want Reader's Digest?

.XXX will harm the adult entertainment industry through:
* Probable .XXX mandate that will facilitate censorship and attacks from anti-industry extremists
* Reduction of industry profits as ICM purports to make $200 million ANNUALLY off of the industry through its existing online market. We know that if companies register they are doing so defensively thus throwing dollars down the drain to protect the brand and traffic they already enjoy.
* Damaging the reputation of the adult industry and its .com presence by marking the industry and those entities that are not .XXX as irresponsible.

ICM/Stuart is misleading ICANN and the Adult Industry about:
* Support he has from the industry
* Promises and deals that have been "suggested"
* The IFFOR Board its make-up and mission
* That the application is a "Done Deal* it is NOT!!!!!

The next steps in the process will be to block the application acceptance. There are two avenues for doing that.
1. To show that their application is no longer valid today
2. To support GAC in its opposition to the .XXX sTLD

If you are interested in GAC's position on .XXX you can read their last two statements on the subject at the links below:

http://www.icann.org/en/committees/g...ue-28mar06.pdf
http://www.icann.org/correspondence/...rf-02feb07.pdf

Finally, thank you to Darklady and Colin and Angie from Wasteland for their financial support. Between .XXX, the OSHA/mandatory condoms issue and our lawsuit with the feds concerning 2257, your help is not only appreciated but desperately needed.
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bump bump what what ....

What I can't believe is that it took this long for a thread like this and the one on Xbiz to get going... heh.

its no secret that the adult biz is against this. what is most important in this entire thing is that when the comments open again, EVERYONE goes and posts their displeasure of it.

if you don't do that, welcome .xxx to the family then.

Damn. I'm sorry to hear that.
I just found this thread, as I visit here as seldom as possible.
I also can't seem to get approved at xbiz.
The one question I would really like to have seen Lawley answer, is:

Please justify the cost of $60 for a domain, as it's between 2 and 5 times as much as any other domain except for the country of Tuvalu.

q f t.

It's important to flood the web with our position: mail ICANN, comment on blogposts and news articles about .xxx etc

Good idea :thumbsup

BUMP.

Absolutely!
 

Unlike some past endeavors, this time EVERYBODY needs to voice their opinions, especially about whether or not lawley has REAL support from the Adult Internet stake-holders--key word seems to be "REAL".

Lots of postings are still being made to "The Man who would be the Dot-XXX King" at http://www.xbiz.net/index.php?c=disc...thread&id=2053 .

Lawley indicated that he'll be at the AVN upcoming show in FL -- if any of ya's can get him to answer the questions he blew-off, please post the answers to this thread.

It seems Diane is still working to get this stopped.......and found this to be of some importance :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by Diane
Hi Folks,
We need your help. I have been doing a number of interviews and some interview panels as the opposition to Lawley and his lawyers. Lawley keeps talking about the number of pre-registrations ICM has for the .XXX sTLD. He is stating the number as a show of support for .XXX. We know that these registrations are defensive registrations to protect Brand and traffic.

If you have pre-registered and you did so defensively, would you send an email to ICANN care of my email address stating that you pre-registered to protect your Brand and traffic and in your own words what you think of ICM's .XXX sTLD. Please include the domain names registered. I will keep these confidential just using them to take to ICANN to show that our industry DOES NOT WANT Lawley's .XXX sTLD!

If you have not pre-registered, please send ICANN an email care of my email address stating in your own words what you think of ICM's .XXX sTLD. Including the name of your company would be helpful.

I will gather this information and use it to counter Lawley's claims of support from the adult entertainment industry.

My email address is:
[email protected]

THANKS!!!!!
Diane

Dude, this needs it's own thread. :2 cents: :)

stuart is going to this show to prove "support of the sponsored community"

everyone should avoid him like the plague.

don't give him any evidence to show "support"

he's slipppery.

Done deal :thumbsup
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...9#post17350429

Morning Bump!

Screw lawley :321GFY