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Is this thread turned into epic backfire?
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How would that matter? If someone copyrighted their content, does that mean the tube sites wont steal it then? |
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Under US & Canadian law all European producers are automatically considered to be under the Copyright law/Protected. |
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To copyright your content costs almost nothing, most people are just too lazy to even look into it. |
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we should recommend this thread as an introduction to the adult industry
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Never thought I should hear the 'likewhoa' word again without going off like a bomb.
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However, you are right about one thing... it is not, under current US laws "illegal", and while you may deplore the fact that people post the content and consider it unethical, under the circumstances I only find it to be unethical if the tube site doesn't take down anything that we notice them about when necessary. What makes our views about the "ethics" of the situation different in so far as you can claim to be "right" while I am somehow "wrong"? Clearly, if it is not illegal, then how is it unethical if we take advantage of the traffic our clips generate? Because you don't like them? You don't like the big bad tubes? Cry me a river. Maybe when you get off your pedestal of reactionary arrogant accusatory insulting posturing and lose the holier than thou aura you will see the situation more clearly. My position is based on facts. I don't know for a fact who puts up our clips without authorization. I consider it unethical to blame someone, based so far on circumstantial and not factual evidence, which also happens to be the standard for the US legal system. For us it is a fact that if our clips went up without persmission then they were taken down promptly with notice. That might make the situation a pain in the ass but it is not necessarily unethical. If we figured out how to turn that negative into a positive then that doesn't make us unethical either; business-wise, that simply makes us pragmatic. I suggest you crack open the books again to learn what "ethics" really are. If it makes you feel better then you can tell me a great big "i told you so" if Pink Visuals prevails. I already said before though that my hunch is that will only result in a settlement that will be in Pink Visuals interests and not yours, mine, or anyone elses. Is that unethical? No, that is what we call business as usual. |
Four Fitty acquisitions :thumbsup
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LMAO so only 15% on the first page are potentially stolen.... whooa looks good enough to me, where do i sign up to do business with them. :upsidedow What ever it takes for you to justify doing business with someone. Never mind the fact they really don't have to have stolen content on their sites any more. None of it was ever user generated anyway. It was all from content producers or from membership sites all of which are tripping over each other to put the past in the past and blow Nathan to try to get traffic from him. Why would PH bother with user submitted shit, it is easier for them to work with the owners of the content, now that the owners are begging to be on the site vs trying to get their content removed. Funny how things change over time. Big bad website steals your content, costs you sales and fucks you. Everyone hates them. Sales get tough (partly because of big bad website) and owners go from trying to get content removed to begging to have it listed as long as their is a link back. I know each of those owners justified this in their own heads but the ones that were getting their content stolen from them and now are doing business with PH, deep down inside how does it feel? How does it feel now to have to blow the company that was fucking you, all because you need the sales now to stay alive? It must suck, but hey do what you got to do and say what you got to say to make yourself feel better about it. Quote:
If pink visual wins then I think everyone would be stupid not to copyright their content, until then I think it is yet to be seen if it matters or not. |
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this thread can be summed up like all of those stupid GFY situations where: Person steals and gets out'ed. Evidence is staked against person and he can not try to deny it. Person makes a post saying " I messed up, I am sorry" GFY retards chime in saying " Wow that is so big of you to own to your mistake, you are top notch". :upsidedow Like the person had any other choice, and instead of holding them accountable you idiots reward them for saying sorry. This thread seems like it is along the same lines but just different situation. In this case, people are talking about how top notch Brazzers are now because they want $omething out of it. And in this case Brazzers isn't apologizing just throwing out millions of dollars and lots of traffic. |
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There are plenty of people that we do not do business with because we have issues with their manner of doing business, their ethics, and past experiences with them or even the companies that associate with them. We are happily not "bros", and our stringency about whom we work with has been a major factor in our slow growth. I am supposed to take your baseless accusations that are unproven over my own experience, the advice of our attorneys, and the reality of current market conditions? No thanks. I am fine with you thinking you are somehow morally superior and that we are somehow desperate and grasping at anything to save our pitiful morally bankrupt biz. |
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If I close my eyes then I don't know for a fact what is right in front of me because I can't see it. You have to be an idiot to realize that all of these big sites like pornhub, youporn etc... didn't start off with stolen content. They popped up one day with thousands of videos on them, from day one. How did those videos get there? user submitted content? what from the first surfer who hit there site, found 0 videos on it and then went and joined a bunch of membership sites, stole all of their content and then uploaded it to the tube site. WOW, those tube sites sure were lucky to have the first surfer to find their site go and "user submit" all of the content on it. Everyone knows that these tube sites went and uploaded the majority of the content, if not all of it themselves. Just keep covering your eyes with your hands and pretend that you don't see. " i don't know for a fact who puts up our content " :1orglaugh didn't someone say that their user submission shit was suspended but yet stolen content kept popping up. Unbelievable the extent some of you will go to justify this shit in your head so you can still try to make yourself appear to be a stand up guy... too funny. I think the only one buying your bullshit is you. everyone else not sucking off brazzers sees it for what it really is. Like i said though, hey if it is what it is that is fine too, just dont try pretend it is something else. |
Nice try to introduce metaphysics into the debate but I suggest you go back and read Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates - you will certainly want to ruminate on the allegory of the cave some more.
I am not in this debate to win a popularity contest - which you so often seem to be doing when you champion whatever cause of the week you think will make you look important and purposeful. I am just speaking from a different point of view, and an experience that is not consistent with what others are claiming. The fact that I know it is unpopular but I am still willing to present my experience and suffer the consequences regardless speaks to my character, regardless what you think or assume or accuse without merit or proof. |
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this is good for another 5 pages at least.
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I would like my fries extra crispy please. And if you spit in them that would be highly unethical...:1orglaugh:321GFY |
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Do you need proof that wood comes from trees too? Or that fish live in water? This is sad really. I can remember when you used to come off as being pretty knowledgeable. And now? Now you're just another tube boy. |
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It should be around 8am in Deutschland now. Rise and shine Mr. Manwin Managing Partner (is every partner at Manwin as "silent" as you are? Pardon the pun). You are not doing much of a job representing your company when you go on a forum and ask people to trust you, but then refuse to respond to simple questions posed to you. You indicated the obvious, that given their legal problems and perceptions within the adult industry, Mansef/Manwin needs to make changes and improve it's image within the industry, and change it's practices (one of which was lying). I'm giving you an opportunity right here to do that... Your forthright answers to the ten questions posed above would be greatly appreciated... ADG |
The thing that doesn't make sense to me about this whole scenario is this:
Whatever the price for Brazzers was, it was a lot. People have said $140m, dunno where that came from, and Nathn has disputed that number if I remember right. Nobody spends that much money by themselves, it's just too much risk. So like banks, they use risk management. They would pool a team of people together to create a fund for such a thing. Then again, I don't really care who owns it, or how many partners there are, etc. But that strikes me as odd. Who gambles with that much money, without at least spreading the risk around? |
Maybe you guys are having some affect. Tube8 only has two new movies in the last 20 hours!
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On one hand you will put up a fight against another force threatening the industry, and are known for being an honest company, then on the other hand turn a blind eye to one of the biggest thieves in the business and try to find a way to do business with them. I doubt it, but are sales at Home Grown that bad? Brazzers has been stealing for so long people have stopped digging for proof, but at one time there was a lot of it out there. Since Nathan took over I don't think anyone has looked because this is all old news. |
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I already gave you proof of stealing. If you can't use common sense to see how those videos got on those tube sites, that those tube sites profit off of stolen content, then ask me this one simple question how did all of the stolen content get there in the first place from day 1? users just showed up and started filling up an empty site.... build it and the porn users will come :1orglaugh Quote:
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The fact that you know it is unpopular and post about you doing business with sites that profit off of stolen content isn't anything short of you just trying to justify it in your own head. Funny I always took you to be Mr. On the right side of the issue, but hell when it comes to a top 100 site that is sending you traffic and sales I can see why you are going out of your way to try to justify to yourself, more so than anyone here that you are still doing the right thing... but in order for you to be doing the right thing than you have to convince everyone that porn hub is not bad... good luck with that one! Quote:
On the other hand, porn hub has tons of traffic and sales to send them. So why would he fight them and lose that traffic and sales. Makes perfect sense to me. |
Someone should save all these pages. I predict this thread disappears before end of month.
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Good morning haters.
Here is the rundown... First, we could've sold you guys out and made out like bandits on the Acacia deal. If you don't believe me, then talk to some of those that did settle with them and ask what terms they were offered. Next, I cannot talk specifically about our CE case but suffice to say many people thought we were kicking a gift horse in the mouth when we went into arbitration with them. I am not going to name names for the others we won't do biz with but most of them are well known, highly respected, buyers of drinks at shows. I don't need to add to the drama by indulging your curiousity for our blacklist. Seriously, the moment PV or anyone else brings a case and proves that they have stolen content then I will apologize to everyone, but in the meantime, my dealings with the company are not consistent with what others claim. Why should I believe anyone else's hearsay over my own experience? Seriously? Do you expect me to run a business based on what other people are saying and doing? I don't know you. I don't trust you. I am not about to jump on the "We hate tubes" bandwagon just because you did or did not. You are welcome to disapprove, and to think we are desperate. On that point we can discuss it again in a year or so and see who is still in business. |
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/end of thread. You are the only person that doesn't think they have stolen content on porn hub, that there was never stolen content on porn hub, and that porn hub only exists because it made (makes) tons of money from stolen content - other people's hard work. |
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Just a stupid question but what "if" they really have sold Mansef.
How quick would you turn down the whole stolen content? I mean,they have a million vids on their tubes,millions of users which submit new movies every minute. How quick would you be able to take down all the stolen content (with original description and alternative description)?? I am just wondering,i have not read the whole thread but "if" they have bought it you should give them time. If i would buy such a network i wouldnīt be able to do it and of course i wouldnīt take down the sites to make sure everything is fine,this does not make sense. But hey,itīs not my business. |
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We tackled this problem from the beginning with carrot and stick. Work with us and get the carrot. Don't work with us and get the stick. People have been stealing our content since before most people here were even old enough to use a computer. We have been up against this problem since day one; now, instead of spending all our money on attorneys to fight it to a phyrric finish, we chose to try and work with people first. Most people I see just complaining, railing, and otherwise getting nowhere. We turned a negative into a positive, an enemy into an ally, and learned how to work with the situation. That doesn't make us evil. You of all people should get this. |
Wow... so looks like Microsoft is a bigger thief than Brazzers!
Just go to Bing, search videos, and put in a term like "porn". Who uploaded all that freaking content without permission? Somebody have Bill Gates contact info? :winkwink: |
Fabian were you involved with PornGraph? Just curious...
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How is it possible that the day that ExtremeTube.com opened there were already thousands of vids on there? Thousands of copyrighted un-licensed vids just magically appeared before the site was even open to the public? You should have read my Connecting the Dots article where I showed that the VERY FIRST member to be signed up to PornHub had uploaded a few 100 videos and made comments on other people's profile representing himself as an admin for the site. That not good enough proof to you? After I pointed out all these shady things, Brazzers...errr Pornhub quickly went and changed their tube site. All the while they were denying they owned these sites...if they were so legit then why were they trying to deceive people? Ok, how about this...Brazzers running a tube site WITHIN their members area of Brazzers.com so you as a copyright holder would have no idea your content was being stolen unless you yourself became a member of Brazzers. This also gave them a nice way of adding value to their memberships..."why sign up for Homegrown...by being a member of Brazzers you can upload all the Homegrown content you want just keep it on the downlow" You're doing business with the biggest copyright infringers our industry has ever known. You're judged by the company you keep. Go ahead and make your money with them, just know that they're making 10 times that by using your stolen content. Content with the table scraps? Your choice. |
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The strangest part of this is no matter how much I discuss this issue as a business consideration worth debate and try to keep it professional, folks like you and others simply want to insult me in such oblique ways. The sad part is that if that is all you are going to do to address the problem is insult me then there is probably a good reason why the tube revolution has hurt your business so much. :2 cents: |
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