Don't worry about me though I appreciate your concern. I only go on boats where I can bring my dive kit... and it is never a problem to pack my dry suit either.

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well unfortunately, IT shows as #667.................... ;)

Alias is right, though. He has the 666th reply, since the opening post is #1. :)

yeah I know............. just splittin hairs:winkwink:

Trouble maker! :winkwink:

We must be twins! Life is grand!

Why do international criminals think they can avoid arrest when they travel to the US?

The FBI and Interpol keep lists of names of people to apprehend upon landing in this country...

http://www.judiciaryreport.com/image...i-arrest-2.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5KANzsTyCI...erroarrest.jpg

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crime does pay.

When Interpol locks in on a target, such as an international money laundering operation, it's usually the criminals that pay...

http://m.boonty.com/gamesimages/4463_us_sc1.jpg

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While Nathan can act big, since he did dish out 140Million just recently, i have no idea where does Far-L come from. Programs with 2-3k members can't really be called successful can they? What would 50k+ programs say then.

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ok. I am fine with you underestimating us, you are not the first and you won't be the last. You actually do us a favor by doing so. However, I never said we were big, nor would I ever claim to be. I merely stated that we are growing rather than shrinking and that we spent a lot fighting some legal battles over the years -that is not bragging, that is just fact, and one which I am not proud of by any stretch - except for the hard knocks education it afforded us. I would much rather have put that money in my bank account trust me. We are not small, we are not big, but we are much bigger than small and way smaller than big.

Anyone that has actually met me knows that I am the opposite of arrogant. That charge is just one more falsehood created by Will76 and it is just part of the effort to find something, anything, wrong with us. Guess it is easier to pick on poor, weak, scrawny little Homegrown Video than it is to start a fight with $140 million dollar company...:1orglaugh

So go ahead and piss in the same bucket with Will76. Maybe you can both compare dick sizes while you are at it... :321GFY

So your claim is that you have more then 2 to 3 thousand active members? You're going the Nathan route there where he does not know stan or whatever was it i can't recall now.
Also, from since i've known of your program you were dwidling around those numbers. I would not call that growing.
Start a fight? Wtf, are you 10? I'm just reading and calling it how it is. When nathan lied, i called him on it. You do act like you are worth way more then you are.

I honestly dont thing 50k programs excist anymore.....not even close

Besides even if homegrown "Only" has 3k members that will put them in the 7 figures a year easily if you take other revenue sources into account im sure.

Besides if you dont know homegrown i would say that you much have had your head in the sand for a loong loong as time

They very much exist. I did not even name all the shitload of programs that are inbetween 3k and 50k.
Your paysite math is way way off. I hope you don't plan on running a paysite anytime soon.
Just because i do know them, that's why i dont get the attitude.

I just honestly think you dont know much about business to be honest
Figure 10+ years of gathering productions....
1. 3k members paying 20-30 bucks pr month
2. Traffic sent to other systems
3. Most likely tons of Cam traffic
4. VOD / Feeds / IPTV
5. Broadcast / Sattelite
6. DVD
7. Hotels

List goes on
Anyone who has been in business for that long and not taking full advantage of all of the above is loosing money, and i doubt that is the case with Homegrown

This is not just about what paysites make, its about what your company makes.

don't forget webmaster referrals.

Yea, like i said, your paysite math is way way off if you think 2-3 k members gives you 1 mill in profits yearly. I see you listed all that and there's absolutely no expenses, and you figure all the joins are their own etc etc etc i could go for ages here. You should really stick to doing what you do, leave paysite math to others, since if by your calculations, 2-3k programs were raking in 1 mill a year in profits, please, how much would a program with 200k rake in yearly? By your math, at least 200 million a year.
I know paysites with 10-14k members that don't make nearly 1 mill a year clear in profits.

Most of that doesn't pay anywhere near what it used to. Times are slow all the way around. At one time it was all a gold mine. Times change.

Where did i say profit?
You are jumping to conclusions.

And no my math is not off

Although prices have dropped on all venues today it is a goldmine still if you know what you are doing.
I know our numbers and trust me Homegrown has a LOT more productions than we do.

This is just baffling to me. Where on earth do you get the impression that I act like we are "big"? I have never been accused of this so it just seems weird. Yes we have more than 2 thousand members. I won't consider us anything to talk about until we have over 500,000. Why do you care? Because you think in this thread I gave some impression of that? Where? When? That is just plum crazy. You must have an inferiority complex or something.

You don't even have the first clue about us. You don't know who we work with. You don't know how we convert. You don't know how many members we have. You don't know jack diddly but you continue to make stuff up, assume everything you make up is right, and accuse us of all kinds of crap. Then act like I am the arrogant one. At this point it is surreal.

The funny part is you now have made this about me and my supposedly "big head" when it was about something totally unrelated. I hope that kind of attention doesn't give me a big head. :1orglaugh

Ok then. You can have you 10 million revenue and 20 million in expenses any day of the week. Those kinds of 10 million don't even matter.
By reading your posts. I seem to not be alone in this.
But you don't have more then 3 thousand (thus the 2-3k figure in my first post). This is as same as Nathan accused me of saying Stan works for manwin, when i never said that but something totally different.
I do. I also never accused you (plural) of anything. I just said you (as in Far-L gfy nickname) have an attitude that i am not sure where it came from. The way you act i would think you rake in millions in profit, when in fact it is not so.

Well ok now you are just spewing shit out :1orglaugh
I have never mentioned numbers like that, but as i know profit margins i will take 10M in expenses any day of the week or 20, bring it

Go back to business school please

What do you do in this business by the way? Im generally interested

The AVN show airport welcoming committee is getting assembled... :warning

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You still didn't give an example. The only one I see agreeing with you is Will76, and he seemed to think that I was bragging about what we spent on attorneys when in fact anyone that knows me actually knows how embarrassed I am about how much we have spent on attorneys. That was his only defense when I called him out about being full of talk and not actually doing anything about it. (which is still true)

So I mentioned our media accolades? Or how long we have been around? Not bragging if it is true. You could call it a boast I guess since I am referring to our actual accomplishments, (learn the difference between bragging and boasting) but I am still way more humble about what we have not yet accomplished. Thus, saying that I rest on previous laurels is far from accurate.

Besides, why can't I have an attitude about the crap you and he are spewing so incessantly? Am I not supposed to defend myself? Am I supposed to let you both treat me like crap and say whatever idiot thing you feel like accusing me of?

And for the record - your numbers are still way off. Maybe you should give Playboy a call and ask them how we do...

If a person criticising your business or what they think is your business isn't prepared to disclose who they are or what their business is, then you should pretty much always disregard them.

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

I think that is always the case on GFY. Nobody on this board goes with anonymous poster's opinions...except other trolls. Serious business people could care less what unidentified unknowns post.

And "NO" I don't care if somebody that doesn't identify themselves and what they do post: "People who matter know me".
No they don't.

And people who do real business don't put much, if any weight to their posts. I know I don't.

I never treated you like crap. I am just curious where did the attitude come from. If you think it's not, then so be it.

And my numbers are not off, they're actually pretty accurate. Throughout the thread you are saying you are thriving, tube traffic makes wonders for your site wah wah, yet throughout the years, you have the same little amount of members. Things don't add up.

so any of your attends the AVN show?

In reference to post: https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17348182&postcount=418

Dear Fabian,

The July 1, 2011 deadline has expired. I was wondering if we ever did get to fully evaluate all of these claims as you asked us to evaluate? I propose that you provide a list of all companies Manwin has any ownership or managerial interest in at the moment in order to help us evaluate those claims. Better late than never. Thanks.

PS- I notice the date of this post was 07-20-2010. I recall that you said Manwin had purchased webcams.com several months previously. From memory I don't ever recall a public announcement of you guys owning webcams.com until many months after this post of yours. May I ask why? It would seem unusual. Especially given the accusations you were responding to.

They are bigga!

Some time ago they announced on Xbiz they have a new Aff program
http://www.legendarystats.com/

If you checkout the cam section you will see
http://mysuperwebcams.com/

Maybe they also purchased Streamate and didn't announced it. This isn't that strange knowing that all the MW tubes are using Streamate Whitelabels.

Really a fast mover :upsidedow

flying croc created stream mate SZNY. Having both known and spoke to him, I hardly think he would EVER sell that. It's got original juice and he is fucking juicing it along better than anyone. Manwin doesn't own Xvideos or Xhamster. No amount of money buys some sites. Stream mate included, surely.

Just another write-off :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Ahhh.....then you dont know him as well as you think.

o'realy ? you own 98% of Manwin ? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Belgium prediction :1orglaugh

Cool story bro.

This is how you get to 50,000 people!