interesting thread, nice reading

Nathan, congrads and good luck !!


Will we see newNATS anytime soon from you ? :)

Robbie, not trying to piss anyone off, LickMyBalls is just not making any sense...

Regarding your actual comments about the tubes though.. No I did not miss what happened to the entire porn industry over the last 3 years. We very likely have difference of opinion why certain things have and are happening, but I definitely did not miss it.

As you should have seen in my other posts (and in the article on xbiz), I am getting changes done and making it clear to the industry that I want to work with everyone and not against everyone. See what people like Far-L posted here too btw...

I know what a tube is, you know what a tube is. We clearly did not spend money on buying networks if we thought we could not run them legally.

What was done on the networks in the past, I can not comment on, I can only reiterate what we have said in the press release and what I have said in my reply to crazytrini85: We are working on changing many things in the tubes we own, to help everyone in the industry work with us and not against us, to help everyone leverage the traffic the tubes have, and to try to convince other tube owners to follow our course.

The Paid Partner Content Program is one of many such things I am having implemented on the tubes... there is more to follow which I can for obvious reasons not talk about right now, but be sure we will be doing things that help everyone.

Controlling some of the biggest tube sites in our industry gives us the leverage to try to change something, without someone else just stepping up and destroying all the positive changes we have done. I am sure most of you understand that we need to do this slowly though since if we do not we will simply become a non-player in the tube market and have others, with likely much less favorable thinking, destroy this all again.

Robbie, I hope this explains my stand in this a bit more, if you have any questions, or want to discuss this in person, I'm happy to do so in Miami...

:thumbsup You always (OK, usually, as if I say always, your haters will try to find one thread you were wrong in) know how to come into a thread and say just the right thing.

No such thing exists. This is Robbie you're talking to! :pimp



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dmca's sent..

You had to go there!

Pretend the balloon is your ego.

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But hey, I have nothing but love for you and CM. I can't wait to meet that crazy big tit prostitute (or whatever you fondly call your wife :1orglaugh)and you in real life.

Fabian,

This is what people are looking for:

I bought a really fucked up company that did a lot of fucked up shit to many people. I don't agree with a lot of the practices of the old owners and by x date you will see that I have turned a bad company into a good one.

So good ol' mano-a-mano straight talk is what people want.

"Now that we have made our millions by FUCKING THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY, we want to apologize and pretend we are going to stop acting like douchebags. We know you have no choice but to shake our hands at Internext. Yay us!"

This industry celebrates the criminals and shits on everyone else. It deserves what it gets. My retirement announcement is imminent.

Steve Lightspeed

That would be the most reasonable thing indeed they can say, but we aren't going to hear that because they're going to just keep stealing our shit under the bs "user submitted" excuse which was just confirmed:

So it is business as usual, steal until caught and play dumb when asked questions "or it's user not us we'll remove your shit right away".

"People" want to usually make money, we are helping them do so and helping them do more.

I can not comment on what was done with certain assets before we acquired them since I simply was not involved. I may have an opinion, but I see no point in starting some huge weird argument here.

If you expect me to bash the old owners of Brazzers, trust me, I would never do that, they built one of the strongest and most profitable companies in adult today, before owning any tube sites even.

The fact that I am changing certain aspects of how the tubes work, should make it clear how I stand to this in general. I can however not guarantee a date all these changes will be done on, for again obvious reasons.

Congrats old friend :)
duke

Thx Duke,

tell me I will see you in Miami! Please! :)

Finally, someone sees what's going on here. Thank you.
Words well spoken.

Not only do we all know for a fact that they fucked up our industry, but now they are going to merge it with their existing business's to fuck us even harder.

What do they say, it's better to ask for forgiveness then permission? Well, they are sorry that they fucked up the industry, but they are making themselves over 40 million a year or so, why should they care?

Sorry Nathan, I don't think I know you personally, or maybe I do.
Best thing you can do now is turn off the free tube model and turn them into paying tubes.

So you want us to "understand" that you need to keep stealing our shit to keep you a "player"? Do Jesus, that's one of the finest pieces of hypocricy I've ever heard.

Loosing a marketplace after switching to legal forms of running a tube site is bullshit excuse too btw. Redtube went 100% legal after AEBN took over and they're doing just fine traffic wise, posting only those videos that were either legally licensed or submitted by verified copyright holders. Same goes for youporn.

Vote NO on prop 19...........

No need to be sorry Dave, and no, we do not know each other.

We have a plan of attack in terms of all assets we acquire, it might not always follow the same exact steps others think it should, but we have many reasons for each one of them.

We are on track with our plans currently, and will do more press releases when the time comes, every step of the way.

I will live with people not agreeing with me on the way this is all being done, we will just have to agree to disagree.

Here's my official response

all i wanna know is...

is your name nathan , fabien or kate ? :winkwink:

Not Kate I'm afraid :/

Some people here seem to call me "asshole" or "mother fucker" too.. I'll survive...

Kate is our north american PR person.

This thread is starting to tickle my pissy nerve.
Its simply astounding to me that people cant look or at the very minimum TRY to look towards the future instead of always trying to place blame no matter what and bringing up the past which quite frankly have been nothing more than 3000 people bitching about the same thing over and over again without doing anything about it.

If Mother Teresa (Passed i know) bought Brazzers + networks tomorrow you would all call her the devil as well.

Most people have just found out about this ownership shift and yet the last 30 days people have already been talking about how "Some" tubes have been changing.
Does that make the past right, no we all know that, but as we all know that why keep up the same rant?

Give it time and watch the situation closely.

Now go ahead and take a few jabs at me for posting this.
But know that i have felt the same as you, but my business tactics conquered by not sulking and we are now twice the size....

hey natahn, fuck you. lol. dance motherfucker.

This goes WAY beyond tubes. In fact.. it has nothing to do with tubes WHATSOEVER. You'll see. :1orglaugh

i think he is trying to say , people make MORE money with people they trust . Help us trust you. I think many people are wary of the " we are here to help you make more money" line. Everyone who says that usually is ripping you off , lol ( no offense or accusation intended ) nobody is here to help anyone, anyone with common sense is here to make themselves money , period end of story. Sure you want to help , you want to help others because it makes you more money, no need to beat around the bush, the common person already knows and understands this and any variance reeks of bullshit .

just to give you an idea of what you said sounds like coming from someone else.

SmokeyTheBear just bought BP OIL.

reporter - "SmokeyTheBear , now that you are the new owner of BP oil, what do you have to say to the millions of people affected by the huge oil spill BP caused "

smokey - "I can not comment on what was done with certain assets before we acquired them since I simply was not involved. I may have an opinion, but I see no point in starting some huge weird argument here."

heh :winkwink: sounds pretty :Oh crap

i could go on...

reporter - " you seriously arent even going to comment on the huge oil spill bp caused ?"

smokey - "If you expect me to bash the old owners of BP oil, trust me, I would never do that, they built one of the strongest and most profitable companies in the oil industry today, before spilling any oil even"


theres more..

reporter - "So it is going to be business as usual, spilling oil willy nilly ?"


smokey - "The fact that I am changing certain aspects of how the oil drilling work, should make it clear how I stand to this in general. I can however not guarantee a date all these changes will be done on, for again obvious reasons"

reporter - " So you will change things but you cant tell us what or when "

smokey - "That's correct, for obvious reasons"

reporter - "Sorry , i missed the memo , what are the obvious reasons ? "

smokey - " The whole spilly spilly oil thingy"

reporter - " you mean the rupture that caused millions of barrels of oil to flow freely into once pristine marshlands, killing untolds amounts of animals and plants "

smokey - "Thats the one, we call it "it who's name cannot be spoken " "





i'm just fuggin wit ya.... but seriously.

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Comment on this. You ran Virage Media, which was among the worst copyright offenders (right along with Mansef), and was known for being heavily involved in piracy and screwing the industry.

Therefore, I find it very disingenuous of you to say you can't comment on how Mansef was run in the past, when you ran some of your own websites in the very same way people have criticized Mansef for.

You've ducked your connection to Virage up until now. Why is that?

So who all from Mansef is gone? The Manwin site is the same web site with the same contact info as Mansef (only the company name is changed).

It seems like the only thing that has changed is three letters in the company name.

SSDD... :disgust

ADG

you looks a bit stupid now, sorry bro. the guys who posted your stuff were actually regular surfers uploading your content 24/7 :1orglaugh

everybody knows, that all that stolen content was uploaded by themselves, since submisson forms were actually closed

I'll send you an ICQ. Very soon, it will all be clear.

I must be living in some sort of weird warped time space continuum cunundrum sort of thing... I don't get why everyone is getting all mob mentality frenzied antagonistic here when they should be dancing a jig.

Nathan comes off like someone I would want to do business with - especially in light of the fact that he is taking all this abuse, which he is handling professionally and standing accountable, and noting the fact that he has only given positive statements of how Brazzers will move forward. Take it or leave it but at least give the new ownership time to prove themselves.

Go ahead and feel free to bag on us - no need to bring it all down on Nathan. We have survived and thrived through so many of these "sky is falling" scenarios it won't make a difference.

The thing I love about this thread is watching how many will squander any chance to work with a company that has the kind of traffic many would kill their grandma after she couldn't earn any more as a prostitute to get.

I've known Nathan for years and would have no problems at all doing business with him.

This Nathan guy is the king of beating around the bush. All his posts have a lot of words in them but he is never really saying shit.

what else does Virage Media run?

If you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas :2 cents:

The thing I love about this thread, how many top notch buys and bros will squander any chance to work with a company that would do the same ( kill their grandma after she couldn't earn any more as a prostitute to get.), while pretending to be a good guys actually. Well, at least dont pretend so, you are loosing your invested time. We arent that stupid to eat the shit you wrote here....Of course the money comes first, but at least dont pretend to be good guys now. As I said, we are her for the money, not for the fun....so take your lies somewhere else.

You have no clue.. go ahead and do business with them.. PLEASE!!!

Yeah, I am stupid. That is pretty common knowledge... just like there is no money in porn.:1orglaugh

btw... if you don't mind my asking... how much are you making on your Brazzers traffic these days?

Far-L, I've already seen that traffic they have in action. It was pathetic. Millions of views on my vids, but when I look at pornhubs affiliate account I see very little ctr and a HANDFUL of signups.

That tube traffic is worthless to sell a paysite membership. Now if you want to go and offer free trials on it and hope to get a percentage of people to forget to cancel you could make a few fast bucks. But full join "honest" signups? I didn't see it.

Common sense tells you that when you are on a site with full scenes, you aren't gonna suddenly go buy a membership from some other site.

I knew it in the beginning...just using your brain tells you that. But I listened to some of the clowns on GFY who told me I didn't know what I was doing. And I found out for myself.

Just sayin', that traffic has about the same productivity as the cheapest pop up traffic you could ever buy.

Otherwise we would all be shouting Hallelujah and praising Brazzers to the skies for all that great converting traffic that all of us who have ALREADY tested it with them as our affiliate have gotten.

Guess what? That hasn't happened. Now use some common sense and stop thinking this is some kind of joyous occasion. When sites like PornHub are closed down and full scenes are no longer available for free combined with full members areas ripped on rapidshare....THEN we will start making real money again.

This Nathan guy isn't gonna close down pornhub. And surfers will RUN from it the minute he stops posting full scenes. It's ridiculous.

Steve, I respect what you have done in the industry, and I am not going to be insulted by your statement. You and I both know that we have a long history of taking on some really big dogs with some really big fat freaking fleas and putting them down like the dirty, mangy, mongrels that they truly are. In fact, you and I have been on the same side of many a fight for this industry over the years.

Until I have an experience with these guys to the contrary, I can only say how our relationship has gone. It is not lies. It is not bros. I have never even met Nathan or anyone else at Brazzers, past or present ownership. I am just not one to fall into the same track that everyone else is on.

We go our way. Our decision might be unpopular but we are basing our experience on our history and not on a bunch of disgruntled webmasters looking for someone to blame for their own inadequecies.

As I said before

This happened 3 months ago. People are slow.

I've translated all the bullshit press release talk for free:
WinBoomWoW said in their release:

"Wow we really fucked this industry. Can you all please help us make people join paysites again. We're so fucked that we can't sell our ad inventory on Traffic Junkys to anyone except scammy nutrceutical companies and penis pill ripoff sites. Oh, and dating sites like Fuckbook, but let's face it, that shit is so played out the margins are diving. Pretty soon we're gonna have to resort to installing scumware. When none of the shady companies can get bank accounts anymore, we're totally fucked with this bandwidth bill each month. Not to mention that most of these tube sites all have the same content and our bookmarkers are getting really pissed and starting to leave us. Please, please, for the love of God, can you dumb ass studio owners who don't know what we're really up to please start uploading your own shit so we don't have to do it anymore. Lately, we're so overrun by DMCA notices that we can't afford to invest time in uploading all that shit, and pay the people to answer the DMCAs. If you do it, you'll save us two processes. We're really sorry."

Bruzzzers

so basically you can take videos from fuckyoucash and used them to promote brazzers, and until you get caught streaming the videos from one of our staff members you can continue to profit off content you have no rights too.

nice.

well, since you didnt get my previous post at all, the reality is, submission forms were closed for the public. so while you are pretending, (probably only to lick the ass of higher positioned bro), that you dont know who uploaded your content 24/7 in this game i have to tell you once again;THE FORMS WERE CLOSED. otherwise everyone and their gradmamma would spam it all the way....pornhub knew it, us spammers know it, everybody knew it. so those fucking user uploders somehow managed to upload your movies 24/7 anyway :1orglaugh
yet, there is some high positioned guy, who pretend to not know it at all. well as i told you in my previous post, take your stupid lies somewhere else. and i still have respect for you.
that was the whole story of my post, in case you didnt get it.

to the question about big cock game, i managed to earn with brazzers around 150-200k since their beggining and i am sure its at lot less then your company did in the meantime, but at least i was lucky to move to more green pastures nowadays....

damn, sam jain is a bad man. it looks like he has scammed millions in ransomware. innovative marketing is all over the internet. so if he is partners with the others and daniel then brazzers was bought by ransomware money. wow thats nuts. i read there are 6 partners.

I see someone else has done their homework as well.. and not regarding tubes or traffic :2 cents:

Uh Oh. So this Nathan person is involved with folks that aren't "top notch" and all that?
Damn.

I was just trying to point out the pain that Pornhub caused for so many people and the countless good affiliates out there who lost all their traffic to it because nobody can compete with FREE full scenes.

But now the plot thickens. :(

Some of y'all (Far-L) might want to really re-think the back slapping and cozying up for traffic until after you make sure there isn't anything to all of this. Because if there is...some bad stuff could be coming down.

this seems so very fitting.

It is funny that everyone who seems to be selling there product to them is standing up for them in this thread. :)

Every single person standing up for Nathan is first posting how they do biz with them, then defends him.

Just pointing out the obvious.

Should have just ignored that comment, cause before this, you've not lied in the thread, should have stuck with it :)

unbelievable. I am stunned. Happy for you Fabian, hit me up on icq, I have to know all about this sequence of events.

I read the book ...... :321GFY

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This thread (and some of you) make me sick !!!!!!!!!

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I don't do biz with him, but he used to work for me waaaaay back in the day. Nathan is good people. I swear, I think GFY is composed of about 90% anklebiters these days, and 10% people who actually do this for a living.