We definitely do not take part in any illegal activity. We would not be able to grow the way we have if we did. And if "everyone knew it", as you imply, no one would want to do business with us.

The way we?ve done business is through legitimate ventures, collaborations and purchases.

Regarding content theft, we are doing our part with the Paid Partner Content Program ? where we direct traffic back to its original source. The Program is one of multiple initiatives we have started since we acquired the assets and is absolutely free to sign up and greatly benefits content owners. As for contested videos, all you have to do is alert the site to get it taken down ? no questions asked.

In this day and age, no one survives without transparency ? so that?s how we do business.

PS.: Sorry for the late reply btw, but I had to bring my daughter to bed.

We should try to meet up, you are located in LA, right? Would appreciate it if you could eMail me your contact info...

Your remarks in this thread were actually not half bad until now... This last line just completely disqualifies you (even with the fact that your wording actually makes your statement true, but obviously thats not what you were trying to say).

Well, I guess that in some small way makes us equal because I see your "fuck all I don't care how I make my money" pathetic.

Piracy was here long before net days for us. We are no strangers to it. In this case we are able to turn a negative into a positive and profit from it in a mutually agreeable fashion, and in a way that was never possible when Times Square pirates would take every release and ruin sales in the Northeast for everyone.

What is pathetic about that?

Now I don't know who posted our stuff without persmission and the fact that I don't care is not necessarily pathetic either. It is more pragmatic than anything else. We were able to get what we wanted accomplished partly because we took that approach, the professional and pragmatic, rather than the "fuck you" approach, which again, is what I find pathetic about the way most people deal with the issue... not saying you specifically necessarily because I don't even know what you do or don't do to tell you the truth.

Thanks, check my sig:winkwink:

hold on... just realized something... you are the one that posted you didn't care how a customer or content producer was screwed over, i.e., hidden cross sells and stolen unlicensed content, as long as you got paid.

So, we may both be pathetic but you are actually a hippocrate too. :1orglaugh

Fabian, what about piracy - tubes.. can you give some words about it?

See post #83, that more or less says it all I think. Once more initiatives become ready for full release I am sure you will see press releases on them.

How much?

Maybe they should pay him to shut up :1orglaugh

User-submitted in their own fucking member's area as well. Scumbags. :321GFY

LickMyBalls, not sure why you just posted that warrent, there is no sam jain I know of in Manwin, so what are you trying to imply?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup Think we're all that fucking stupid? Some people know more than you think here mother fucker.

Not really implying you or anyone else is stupid, I seem to be though, since I have no idea what you are talking about...

I usually do not reply to weird posts, but it got a bit too weird there... I'll stick to replying to people that do not call me "mother fucker" again now though...

Will more NATS rumors swirl around now?

I could care less asshole. I know you're pissing in your German pants right now though no matter what you post here.... and for good reason. That's satisfaction enough for me. :thumbsup

if you look deep enough you will find your real answer that fabian is rumored to be hiding

Hey bro, did you somehow miss what happened to the entire porn industry over the last 3 years? Jesus man. I know you're trying to do a bit of cleanup on the bad reputation.

But don't you think just saying: "Hey, we know a lot of you had your shit stolen by Pornhub over the years and we won't do that anymore" would be a lot better than the "play dumb" act you're doing?

Come on man. There are a lot of angry people who have every right to be mad at you. I'm not one, because I was always too smart and too fast for Pornhub to affect my sales. heh-heh

But hundreds of producers and paysites were screwed hard by Pornhub posting their FULL scenes and even going out of their way to stretch the vids to move the watermarks offscreen.

You and everybody else knows that is how pornhub built up a damn monster traffic site. If I were in here doing damage control, I believe I'd talk straight to these folks and try to generate some good will instead of acting like you don't know anything about anything.

interesting thread, nice reading

Nathan, congrads and good luck !!


Will we see newNATS anytime soon from you ? :)

Robbie, not trying to piss anyone off, LickMyBalls is just not making any sense...

Regarding your actual comments about the tubes though.. No I did not miss what happened to the entire porn industry over the last 3 years. We very likely have difference of opinion why certain things have and are happening, but I definitely did not miss it.

As you should have seen in my other posts (and in the article on xbiz), I am getting changes done and making it clear to the industry that I want to work with everyone and not against everyone. See what people like Far-L posted here too btw...

I know what a tube is, you know what a tube is. We clearly did not spend money on buying networks if we thought we could not run them legally.

What was done on the networks in the past, I can not comment on, I can only reiterate what we have said in the press release and what I have said in my reply to crazytrini85: We are working on changing many things in the tubes we own, to help everyone in the industry work with us and not against us, to help everyone leverage the traffic the tubes have, and to try to convince other tube owners to follow our course.

The Paid Partner Content Program is one of many such things I am having implemented on the tubes... there is more to follow which I can for obvious reasons not talk about right now, but be sure we will be doing things that help everyone.

Controlling some of the biggest tube sites in our industry gives us the leverage to try to change something, without someone else just stepping up and destroying all the positive changes we have done. I am sure most of you understand that we need to do this slowly though since if we do not we will simply become a non-player in the tube market and have others, with likely much less favorable thinking, destroy this all again.

Robbie, I hope this explains my stand in this a bit more, if you have any questions, or want to discuss this in person, I'm happy to do so in Miami...

:thumbsup You always (OK, usually, as if I say always, your haters will try to find one thread you were wrong in) know how to come into a thread and say just the right thing.

No such thing exists. This is Robbie you're talking to! :pimp



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dmca's sent..

You had to go there!

Pretend the balloon is your ego.

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But hey, I have nothing but love for you and CM. I can't wait to meet that crazy big tit prostitute (or whatever you fondly call your wife :1orglaugh)and you in real life.

Fabian,

This is what people are looking for:

I bought a really fucked up company that did a lot of fucked up shit to many people. I don't agree with a lot of the practices of the old owners and by x date you will see that I have turned a bad company into a good one.

So good ol' mano-a-mano straight talk is what people want.

"Now that we have made our millions by FUCKING THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY, we want to apologize and pretend we are going to stop acting like douchebags. We know you have no choice but to shake our hands at Internext. Yay us!"

This industry celebrates the criminals and shits on everyone else. It deserves what it gets. My retirement announcement is imminent.

Steve Lightspeed

That would be the most reasonable thing indeed they can say, but we aren't going to hear that because they're going to just keep stealing our shit under the bs "user submitted" excuse which was just confirmed:

So it is business as usual, steal until caught and play dumb when asked questions "or it's user not us we'll remove your shit right away".

"People" want to usually make money, we are helping them do so and helping them do more.

I can not comment on what was done with certain assets before we acquired them since I simply was not involved. I may have an opinion, but I see no point in starting some huge weird argument here.

If you expect me to bash the old owners of Brazzers, trust me, I would never do that, they built one of the strongest and most profitable companies in adult today, before owning any tube sites even.

The fact that I am changing certain aspects of how the tubes work, should make it clear how I stand to this in general. I can however not guarantee a date all these changes will be done on, for again obvious reasons.

Congrats old friend :)
duke

Thx Duke,

tell me I will see you in Miami! Please! :)

Finally, someone sees what's going on here. Thank you.
Words well spoken.

Not only do we all know for a fact that they fucked up our industry, but now they are going to merge it with their existing business's to fuck us even harder.

What do they say, it's better to ask for forgiveness then permission? Well, they are sorry that they fucked up the industry, but they are making themselves over 40 million a year or so, why should they care?

Sorry Nathan, I don't think I know you personally, or maybe I do.
Best thing you can do now is turn off the free tube model and turn them into paying tubes.

So you want us to "understand" that you need to keep stealing our shit to keep you a "player"? Do Jesus, that's one of the finest pieces of hypocricy I've ever heard.

Loosing a marketplace after switching to legal forms of running a tube site is bullshit excuse too btw. Redtube went 100% legal after AEBN took over and they're doing just fine traffic wise, posting only those videos that were either legally licensed or submitted by verified copyright holders. Same goes for youporn.

Vote NO on prop 19...........

No need to be sorry Dave, and no, we do not know each other.

We have a plan of attack in terms of all assets we acquire, it might not always follow the same exact steps others think it should, but we have many reasons for each one of them.

We are on track with our plans currently, and will do more press releases when the time comes, every step of the way.

I will live with people not agreeing with me on the way this is all being done, we will just have to agree to disagree.

Here's my official response

all i wanna know is...

is your name nathan , fabien or kate ? :winkwink:

Not Kate I'm afraid :/

Some people here seem to call me "asshole" or "mother fucker" too.. I'll survive...

Kate is our north american PR person.