It's not always the easiest thing to leave a table to go chase after someone for a chip you think they are joking around with and will return. And during single deck it can fuck the other players and well, if you are doing good.... :)

My question as many others - Why did you (Derek) take the chip in the first place? If you were ridiculously drunk, why did you not leave the chip in an envelope at the front desk for Carlos on your way to the airport?

This seems quite out of character for Derek.

dude, fuck that.

you admitted you owe him the money and you should have paid it back 2 years ago.

2 weeks ago you were saying that you need to pay your rent and need to make a PAYMENT PLAN for $150 - promising the first payment for the 16th. Not even this pathetic plan worked out.

last week you come here bragging that you bought a new Mac Book - this is a slap in the face for someone you owe money to.

and now you come here and post personal stuff from an ICQ conversation.

i let everyone else make up their minds about you, i'm done.

Probably had a bad gambling trip and had to pay rent when he returned. Sounds like Carlos was hammered and an easy mark.

Don't you guys have any fucking work to do... INSANE how many of you are just here for the sake of arguing over something that is between 2 individual only... LOLOLOL

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._1119725_n.jpg

Oh the irony - Florida August 2008

And yes, seeing someone posting threads about his new "MacBook" while he needs a "payment plan" for $ 150

This is a clear bullshit, I don't care if it's $ 10 bucks or $ 1000 bucks but don't bullshit me like this

Sorry

What... you mean... like you just did?

:-)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46.../BumFights.jpg

For a moment there I forgot which web site I was on...

ADG

Once again,

this is not about money, this is about character

read the thread before you post,

I've recovered every single dollar I was ever owed without going to the boards, that's a fact, you just won't find one single thread from me where I'd ask anyone about money in five years, and I was owed much more than $ 500.


I was extremely patient and diplomatic:

- never once did I threaten him

- even accepted his "payment plan" for $ 150 which is seriously like spitting in your face

- digested his new macbooks and crap

- digested him fucking with me for months, lying to me for months

But there comes a point where I no more care, and I have absolutely no regret I started this thread, hope he can buy himself a sandwich for my $ 150.

Big pimpin

I'm starting to believe that people that belittle a debt because of its amount are just secretely making excuses for themselves. Hope you get paid, Carlos!

Its always been a double standard with jman. If drama involves one of his bros he wants to quickly brush it aside, but if they aren't in the bro club then he has no problems posting about it. He did it for years in here backing up Sleazy no matter if Sleazy was in the wrong and eventually it came back to bite him in the ass.

Exactly.

Jman's love affair/bear breakup with Sleazy was Top News, now he wants to focus on work, lol....

Actually he didn't.

Carlos was drunk off his sorry ass, which is typical for an industry show and handed the chip to Dwreck. Dwreck tried 3 times to give the chip back, and Carlos with a stupid dumbass smile on his face and slurred words told him that no it was cool that he won a ton of money. When Carlos sobered up the next day, he threw a hissyfit and wardialed Dwreck nonstop.

It is pretty fucking obvious with anyone with more than two braincells to rub together that someone would not let some dude he's met a few times at trade shows run off with a $500 chip as a joke. Carlos was drunk off his ass, period.

The point of my post here isn't about whether Dwreck should pay the guy back or not, it is about how Carlos is portraying the whole situation as if he was an unsuspecting victim of a pickpocket.

Also, I've made some good money from 2005 till 2009

And even I blew and awful lot of it, believe me, $ 500 was never a question of life and death for me

In fact, is there anyone even on THIS board that is not able to put together the outstanding $ 150?

This is the true reason I started this thread - it's just surreal.

I don't comment on this because I admit I was really drunk, drinking Maker's Mark the whole night, it was 5 AM in Vegas, and I have a silly sense of humor, so if he really believed I'll give him $ 500 I'm sorry for him

I only comment on the fact that someone is not able to pay back in two and a half years

I just don't have those money on my paypal account, seriously

And the only "payment" I got was eight months later when I caught up with him up close and personal in Florida

The rest was thousands of totally bullshit excuses why someone can't pay

And at the end it even escalated into a "payment plan" for $ 150

Wtf bro. So did he offer to give it back three times?

I am about to fucking explode. WERE THERE ANY WITNESSES WHO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED?

I can't confirm this, although it's possible that he took money from my handpalm and I was yanking with him, that's what I do when I'm drunk, of course I would never expect he won't be able to pay back to me in two and a half years.

I know for sure I didn't GAVE him the chip, that's what I know for sure, dude took it from my hand.

And I know for sure first time he promised to give it back to me was the next day on the phone.

I'm not even saying he was trying to steal from me, I'm only saying he's not able to give the money back to me for a total of 28 months already, and now he's posting my very personal info, calling me broke and insulting me.

Quagmire choose your buddies wiser.

It took me 8 months and meeting him personally to get $ 350

And at the end we're here 28 months later with a "payment plan" for $ 150

Five Hundred Dollars is Fifty Thousand Pennies

Fair enough. As I said, I am not arguing that he shouldn't pay you back. The whole situation was bad to begin with, considering he wasn't exactly sober either. I'm staying out of that part of it. I don't think you honestly believe that Dwreck would steal out of your hands. I just wanted to make it very clear to people in the GFY peanut gallery that it wasn't a snatch and run situation.

I have worked directly with Dwreck at WebcamCash as well as being an affiliate webmaster supported by him. In all those years the only person who has ever had anything bad to say about him was Leo of myfreecams, and that was because his affiliate payment was late.

This sounds much more likely a scenario. So did you give it to Dwreck, then he tries to give it back, then in your drunken state said, nah its cool I won a bunch keep it? Then change your mind post drunk state the next morning and realized you gave away 500.00? Also did he ever cash in the chip? Does Dwreck even gamble? Don't recall ever seeing him at any of the tables in vegas.

I'm not accusing him of stealing, I'm accusing him from holding my money for 28 months and fucking with me almost on a daily basis, and at the end needing a "payment plan" for $ 150

Sorry, if I owe someone money I told him when I pay, and then I pay back

Not that I"m fucking with him for months and months and months, he seriously has to think I'm dumb as a rock if he offers me a "payment plan" for $ 150

If i didnt really know him and he put a 500 dollar chip in my hand, I would have threw it back in front of him and walked away.

That's fucked up... although I do think you should NEVER have made that joke. That's just asking to get fucked, especially in this industry. That kinda gives him a free pass, especially since you were drunk and there's nobody here to back your story up.

I suggest you get this thread removed. I think Dwreck will pay you back, plus this will put both Dwreck AND you in a bad spotlight. Everyone obviously has a different opinion about this.

Good luck :2 cents:

This is all irrelevant,

I don't care if he doesn't gamble

I don't care if he thought that I'm serious when I fucked with him when I was drunk, yes I use to be overly sarcastic

- He kept the money and went to the airport without getting in touch, he had my cell number

- he promised to pay back in January 2008 the day after when I called him

- Then it took me another eight months of bullshit excuses to strip him off the $ 350

- Now he wants a "payment plan" for $ 150 28 months later

And he's even posting personal insults

These are the facts

The consequences of this thread will never... be... the same. END of conversation! :mad:

you should be the last one speculating about things like this. :2 cents:

this thread is about someone who has admitted that he needs to give money back, promised to do so for countless times and failed to do so. who makes payment plans for $150, doesn't keep them and then goes and buys a laptop.

lets drink! :)

Best reply through the whole 3 pages...

I'm reallllly drunk, anyone want $500? I'm just kidding. Maybe. Kinda. Not really. But perhaps just a little.

oh no Carlos....

$150 is $150.

A lot of money has been made and lost in this industry and the people that have lost it all are usually the one's that had the "$150 is nothing" attitude.

There are a lot of people that end up dying wealthy who never found it above themselves to bend over and pick a penny up off the ground.

That and the principle of it all.

One thing that's missing - I knew DWreck personally for like two years already once that happened, I trusted him, especially since he was connected in the past with someone I respect a lot.

So let's say an industry "friend" comes over to you, grabs a $ 500 chip, you shoot a joke with him, and then you try to get that money from him for 28 months.

Finishing with a "payment plan" for $ 150

That's also a way to paraphrase it.

I'm off gotta drive downtown

Dude, someone in the industry took 11k from me i didnt make a thread about it, Just Yet. Cmon now

Learn to read and comprehend. :2 cents:

The ONLY thing that is obvious is that you enjoy speculating. :2 cents:

My bad, obviously it was you who was there, and I wasn't. Clearly you know the score.

Let's all just sit down around the campfire now and have old man baddog whip us up a tale of power, intrigue and money involving two program reps at the 2008 Internext.

I'm in so long as there are s'mores.

Wow, you are a cunt. It is really funny to me how you brag about how you are an expert in promoting cam sites yet you can barely pay your rent and you fuck over friends like this over such small amounts of money. Even funnier when I look at your resume. Spread4u was a piece of shit and only marginally successful because of how long ago the site launched and your new gig... The most hyped cam site with next to no live models that I have ever seen.

There are so many "experts" on this forum that are totally full of shit. I could out a couple scumbags right now that would open some eyes.

This reminds me of the movie 'Payback' with crazy Mel Gibson.....

It is $150 bucks.. He got $350 back from him at somepoint.


Everyone keeps saying $500, read the complete ran :)

jman is a fat clown. no one cares what he thinks.

This thread is very surprising and I dont know Carlos, but this dosnt sound like Dwreck at all.

Well cept leaving for airports early :winkwink:

If anything he has bought me beers and never taken nor asked for money.

Now im not his best fucking friend... but I do feel knowing what I know and reading this thread that Dwreck is not to blame fully here.

Carlos. You too are to blame as your drunken joke is what got you here. If quagmire says he was there and you initiated this whole incident then you should have kept this private and worked it out. Plus, if you did sit there and say here have this, no keep it I have made plenty... IF.... If you said that... then where the fuck do you stand at all on this?

Do i think Dwreck should keep the money, no... but should you get it when you want it? Fuck no! None of this would have happened if it werent for your weird euro "humor"

You say its about character and not the money... well you fucked up because you have assassinated both of your characters to an extent here.


Im only going on the assumption of Quagmires story as it seems he was present and it also dosnt reflect Dwrecks characteristics...

well then solve it with a 20 dollar per week payment plan and ring in 2011 as bros.

So fucking banned?

I don't get why do you even get emotional about this? It's very clear:

- if he doesn't understand I was being sarcastic once he grabbed $ 500 bucks out of my handpalm that's his problem

- He promised to pay me the day after this happened, and I was looking for him on the same night, since he obviously didn't get the joke OR tried to keep the money, the result - he didn't get in touch nor did he try to return them, do you find it funny?

Do you fuck with your friend's money ? Is it funny?

- fucked with me for 8 months until I met him personally and stripped him off all cash he had on himself

- fucked with me for another 20 months resulting in a "payment plan" for $ 150

- money not received

Those are the facts

Are you serious, should I wait for another 28 months or make a payment plan for $ 5 a month so he can buy himself another MacBook?

Ok so I'm to blame if I want to out a guy who's not able to pay back a personal loan in 28 months and constantly fucks with me?

Christ

Good for you, since you obviously choose to ignore the facts

FYI I read it all very carefully.
YOU should re read it
The issue is about 500 and the way it was handled by the person that owed it

There was a very personal information posted by DWreck in this thread regarding a death of beloved one on my side.

I've asked GFY to edit it

It's really painful

Thanks

Sounds like stupid drunken situation to me Carlos. Trust me I know because I've been in a few, but to drag it all out here on GFY over $150 is pretty embarrassing. And the ass kissers of GFY can kiss MY ass. I call it how I see it.

You are absolutely right about it being out of character for Dwreck, and again, I just want to be clear on a few things for the GFY peanut gallery.

1> Dwreck is not my best friend. I Have not seen Dwreck in person since my last day of employment at webcamcash in early 08. Not from lack of want, but I live in bumblefuck north, and Toronto is not my favorite place so I rarely make trips there.

2> I have absolutely zero to gain by playing Dwreck's bro and lying about what went down. 90% of my webmaster work is mainstream these days. I have no current business relationship with Dwreck or the company he represents. I don't even touch cams anymore because of the silly chargeback games 3 & 4 months down the road, for me it just is not worth the effort.

3> I have no beef with Carlos in any way, shape or form. Never have. I have met him at numerous shows, and gotten shitfaced loaded with him and had a great time. I am disappointed that he brought this issue to the board, nothing more.

4> If someone wants to call me a liar, there isn't a thing I can do to stop them from jumping in the thread and saying what they want. The people who matter know my credibility.

Money received half an hour ago

After 20 months

Seems like even DWreck doesn't need a "payment plan" for $ 150

I'm gonna donate this money to cancer research

After all the shit I had to go through, even getting ridiculed for outing someone, getting ridiculed for wanting my money

Christ, yeah, calm down it's just GFY

Did you read the thread already?

No beef, you brought in something I didn't remember

I give you credit for that

But it doesn't change the fact that someone fucked with me for 28 months and the last straw was the "payment plan" for $ 150

Those money are not enough for an apology, I won't even spend them, I'm gonna donate them.

most ppl a full of shit when it comes to how much $ they have