come on sly, you understand my point and the severity of the comparison...

Dude gave a chip to someone in a drunken stupor. Its not unheard of. Drunk gets up the next morning and starts thinking jesus that was stupid.

demands it back after giving it away and then turns into a complete sissy fucking bitch about it without accepting any blame at all...

Carlos, youre hiding behind fallacies and booze.

You are to blame for this ever happeneing yet you wont accept any of that.

Im done here because i guess my only mission was to get you to admit your bullshit but your obviously not going to.

I may be going on and on, but atleast im keeping it real and not being a lying fucking sissy.

Adapt or die?

OK so what happened here ??? Can someone start over from the beginning and explain it all to me???


:1orglaugh j/k

Holy crap - we just need TheDoc and Giddeon in here to make this thread even longer.

I was in Vegas at that time, unfortunately not present at that incident. if it is correct that Carlos has pushed the chip at Derek and refused to take it back, then his drunken ass should have cost him $500 - no doubt. We all make stupid mistakes when being drunk that cost a lot of money sometimes, i could list a few of mine as well (it mostly revolves around strip clubs). And I know Quagmire and have no reason to believe he makes stuff up.

From my point of view it just looks a little different: no matter how the chip changed ownership, Derek had agreed to return the money. Which would be very generous if Carlos really refused to take it back in his drunken stupor.

But now we have a completely new situation - now we have someone who promised over the course of 2 years payment multiple times and never kept his word. Who wanted to make a payment plan for $150 and did not keep another promised payment of $50 on the 16th. And this is from my point of view not acceptable.

But never in this process, at least not to my knowledge, Derek has indicated that he thought that this money was given to him as present and that he thought that he could keep it. If that would have been thrown into discussion, I probably would have suggested a 50/50 and everyone get over it.

But promising payment and not keeping the promises is what got me annoyed.

I hope that cleares that up.

Well it dosnt clear things up, but sure do appreciate you actually reading my words and answering them honestly.

I am just now talking to Derek about this for the first time. His story does not go like posted by OP.

it goes right with Quagmire's story...

"He put the chip in my hand" "refused to take it back" "He GAVE it to me, I lost it"

Thats vegas. But then you introduce a drunken jew and you get bullshit stories.

The lies alone within this thread are enough to call the debt moot. The truth is even far more deafening to the lies posted.

There is only one person suffering for this. Carlos may had to have "chase" his money... but ITS HIS FAULT.

Id be pissed if someone gave me something and then renigged on that and then called me a fucking thief to my colleagues. Dwreck just wants people to know its not at all like that. Although he dosnt have to make shit up to tell his side... he cant do that here.

MaDalton +2 Respect
Carlos -5 respect

I'm here in spirit... Giddeon would be here if he was in the Industry :thumbsup

Just because Derek admitted to needing to pay him back does not make it a whole new situation either.. It makes this whole thing "special circumstances"

The way the chip was received totally matters.

The only reason Dwreck said yea ill give it back and pay you back is because IT WAS FUCKING DWRECK and anyone that knows this industry knows that.

Picture Carlos pulling this with wiseman or AaronM or really anyone else.

They would all say fuck you you drunk fucker! Nor do I think Carlos would even have gone about this at all the same had it not been Dwreck.

it was amove ABOUT the money and had absolutely nothing to do with principle. Bottom fucking line!

Sorry but that sounds like bullshit, I don't recall early in this thread dwreck saying he lost the chip. Also, if it truly did happen like that, why would dwreck agree to pay him back?

If dwreck was too scared to stand up for what he thought was right then he's got no one else to blame but himself. If dwreck truly didn't want the chip all he had to do was walk over and put it in Carlos pocket. Also, if it went down that way, why was there no mention of that in any of their icq conversations, you'd at least think dwreck would mention it.

your logic goes right along with ... If carlos was too drunk to know what he was doing (which is backed up by a witness) and gave a chip to someone... then he serves the loss...

It actually has more logci in it than yours...

who dosnt want a 500 chip when given.

Get over it... youre arguing the wrong fact for the sake of arguing...

Its all in your avatar ;)

Good black jack play could have turned this sob story upside down... shame on everyone who sucks at gambling and cannot hold there lick her

How does that sound liek bullshit when its not refutted but when the OP posts his story and someone comes in and says it wasnt liek that at all, that was there, how does that not sound like bullshit...

I think you just like how I look...

I tend to agree with you and I mean no disrespect but who died and made you head gfy donations consulting specialist.

It sounds like bullshit because at no time in this thread did dwreck mentioned that he lost the chip in any of the icq conversations nor in his posts here, you only managed to pull it out of your ass on page 7.

Lol at my logic, you're the one who keeps up with the, "its motherfucking dwreck" bs as the reason he didn't stand up for himself. I dropped this thread and I thought you were last night, but you've managed to continue dragging it along for another page and keeping it at the top of gfy. I'm sure its embarrassing dwreck and he'd wish it would just go away.

IM going solely on words here in this thread from people on that specific quote. Dwreck himself did not actually say that he lost the chip, waiting on a reply from him now. It was said previous in quotes from him. which sounds plausible. If not Ill recant that specific quote. But in our conversation so far he HAS said to me that Carlos put the chip in his hands and refused it back. Our whole conversation hasnt been about this thread but also new ongoings in life. I also assume were both working.

He never really had a chance to sauy his side here has he... the one chance he got... well he fucked that one up didnt he. Chose to post the wrong thing.

I just wonder why youre not calling the obvious bullshit out when its in plain sight.

I asked him that very question before continuin to post... he told me he appreciates that I stood up for him. He cant even view gfy right now so he has no idea whats being said.

He told me that this is a big misunderstanding and surprised with Carlos. He feels hurt that it went like this.

the "its mother fucking dwreck" spew isnt bullshit... did I say he has a get out of jail free card? no... I said hes not the fucking thief that carlos continually says he is ... and that Carlos IS a liar and that Carlos DID make this thread about the money and absolutely nothing about principle because he completely lacks that.

He did not lose the chip at tables... So that portion i am wrong and mislead earlier about.

Apparently Dwreck dosnt gamble at all.

Dwreck did tell me his side and its a bit off from Carlos'

Ive said my peace here and I hope anyone that gives a fuck gets both sides before taking drunken half truths for facts on a persons reputation.

Got some Brats to burn...

Deej you play Captain Save-A-Hoe a little too often. It doesn't really help anyone. You aren't helping Dwreck here and frankly you are making the both of you look silly. If you want to continue on your own behalf, that's fine, but do your friend Dwreck a favor and just stop.

I'm glad that the situation is RESOLVED and I'm sure that both of them will walk away from this just fine. Happy Thursday!

Where are these previous quotes from him where he said it? I see nothing in this thread about him losing the chip, I think you just made it up. You've repeated yourself at least a dozen times over and over and over about the chip incident, its pointless to keep repeating yourself. We get what you are saying, but after he agreed to pay back Carlos, the details of the original incident lost all relevance. Dwreck has paid back Carlos, the matter is over, there is no point keeping this at the top of the page.

yes no pointing bumping this anymore.

its in this thread... read closer... someone posted form a new nick with their #1 post...

I and more assumed it was dwreck but in fact it was not.

Like I said, ask him yourself before assassinating his rep. Some dont even have to.

I did say im done here. So dont get on my case about bumpoing it like you all just did. I went to sleep and woke up to more of Carlos' lies, so I posted some more refuting his shit.

I am done here so dont bump it telling me not to... that "just makes you look silly" as well...

At no point did I assassinate his rep, I simply called it like I saw it.

i blame the tubes. its brazzers fault for stealing all of dwrecks traffics with their tube serps. so dwreck then had to borrow money and now he's having issues paying back. so in the end its pornhubs fault.

What the fuck is this comment about introducing a "drunken jew and you get bullshit stories". What does his religion have to do with this?? You are trying to make a point and you have to throw some anti-semitism in it to do it? Really?

i backtraced this post man. you're pretty screwed now. :1orglaugh

It was something with fair use of drunk casino chips? :winkwink:


There are no clear winners in this thread. Both parties made mistakes.

I'm of that belief that once you give someone a present, you have no right to claim it back afterwards if you change your mind.
You can ask the person nicely if he/she wants to give you a present (back), but at that point it is no longer your property.
:2 cents:

The rest of the story could have been better handled. You need to forgive each other, and forget about this issue, now when the money has been paid.

I've donated the money to the Lance Armstrong foundation

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._1483347_n.jpg

There's nothing left to solve

This thread can be closed now

My last version is above and you can take me to the court and that's the version I'm gonna stand for, I didn't "gave" any money to anyone, even if I pranked him trying to see if he really keeps the money that he took from my hand (which is entirely possible I just don't remember that, but I give you credit for that Quagmire) and he really kept the money for another 28 months unable to pay back, giving me excuses and payment plans and I don't know what, all of which he admitted himself, that's his problem, not mine, and I'm glad I could out him - no remorse.

If someone takes money from your hand you usually expect him to be joking, not stealing.

Once again my apologies for getting way out of line.

lol. so dwreck gots banned and his money gave to lance armstrongs haha.

I meant absolutely no ill will towards Judaism... If you read the whole thread you will understand why I said it. The OP has admitted to letting his "jew" come out and wanting his money.

Thats is the only reason I said jew.

If you knew me or have read my words in the past you would and will know that I am far from prejudice.

Michael,

Now I'm really feeling ashamed of my lack of manners in this thread, I should have kept my cool and step out of the keyboard.

Thanks and wishing the best

P.S: We might even catch up in Berlin if you're around, I'm buying a diet coke

BROs before hoes

:321GFY

LOL@ "drunken jew"

k, case closed, pity you gave it to Lance Armstrong, but heh .........
now stay away from the keyboard and get some work done with/for Ma Dalton.

Oh FFS, I was there that night and I remember this to an extent.
The reason I remember this night is because it was the night Bryan dropped a $100 chip on the floor at the BlackJack table and I finally found it after 10mins of looking. Carlos was at our table as well. I remember him knocking over a beer bottle on the table that spilt on his leg and he didn't notice or care. Man the Palms carpetting is fucking ugly :1orglaugh

Anyways, at one point later in the night Dwreck came over with the $500 chip in his hand. He told us that Carlos gave it to him wouldn't take it back. There were a few people around when Derek was telling us this but I honestly can't remember exactly who outside of Bryan and I.

Shortly thereafter Carlos came over and put his arm around Dwreck. Dwreck tried to give it back and Carlos put up his hand and said "no, its yours."
Now Carlos was fairly smashed as has been stated already, so who knows what he could have been thinking. But I do remember Derek trying to give the chip back.

Dwreck even asked people what he should as he really didn't seem like he wanted it. Of course at this point some people said keep it, and others said give it back.
I remember the phone call at the airport because we were on the same flight and even took the same taxi to the airport. Last thing I remember was that Dwreck said he'd work it out with Carlos during the week.

Jesus christ. This is why i blew up in this thread... Because carlos is a complete douchebag drunk fuckin idiot liar. Tried to come here and tranish someone good in this industry because hes a drunk fuckin idiot.

Talk about no sympathy...

Fucking out of here... DOUCHE FUCKING BAG!

This is what I got out of this thread...

-Carlos when drunk pretends he's a baller by giving away $500 chips.
-Carlos when sober thinks there should be no repercussions for his drunk actions.
-Derek spent $500 when he should have kept it in his pocket, not knowing what kind of character Carlos really is...or lack of character he has.
-Derek felt guilty about spending money that seems to be rightfully his and agreed to pay it back.
-It's NOT okay to bring Carlos' family into it, but it IS okay for Carlos to try and ruin someone's reputation and fuck with their job and income.
-Derek fell on some hard times and/or doesn't manage his money wisely enough to pay back the drunk when he agreed to.
-Carlos is a tough guy who'll take a guys last $350 because HE thinks it's his.
-Carlos thinks Derek is a bad representative for a company because of his actions.
-Derek seemingly pushed some other bills aside to pay Carlos to keep his rep intact and/or shut Carlos up.
-Carlos won't be happy until Derek is fired.

=

Carlos is a big fucking douche.

Oh yeah...Deej is trying to be a voice of reason by seeing BOTH sides of the story. Kudos to you on that.

He's ranting as per usual, jumps in a thread takes a side and goes hell for leather until everyone else is sick and tired of arguing ridiculous points. :2 cents:

Don't know if I will make Berlin this year but will be in Amsterdam and Munich, so I will take you up on the Diet Coke if you are there. :1orglaugh

Hope all is well

quit bumping this shit.

wow, you could make a movie out of this thread...


http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...vegas-3-80.jpg
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

possbile, althought hat movie was based on a true story rather than lies...

This is the most inane thread I have ever read on here (my own included).

I only got thru page 1.


Sabby:)

A little off topic here, but does it make any other affiliates a bit nervous knowing there are "affiliate managers" out there so hard up for money? Just something that has always made me a bit cautious...

why does ones debts and financials play into what level of person they are? Maybe hes salary based and not commission based. Maybe hes supporting his dieing mother. Maybe he has child support, maybe he just a has a life thats not yours nor your bills and has no need to be in your thoughts. A persons financials are not a sign of their integrity nor the stability of the company they work for.

I have a hard time trusting broke or desperate people. From my experience they are alot more likely to lie, steal and rip you off.