Originally Posted by Jakez (Post 17360458)

How would they benefit from scrubbing sales or something anyways? Unless they were somehow hiding sales from you and keeping all the money I don't see how it would be in their best interest to put a temporary halt on sales.. maybe the processing isn't working as good as it should sometimes yeah but intentionally screwing with your sales wouldn't help anyone.

Originally Posted by CCBill Paul (Post 17360443)

I have checked and we are unaware of any problems on our end that would be causing your issue with sales. I can guarantee that we are not modifying your settings or making any changes that would cause you to not receive sales, that really would not make sense for us to do. I can however symphathize with your concerns and we would like to help you the best that we can.

We spoke about your account last week and I sent you an email yesterday but perhaps not to the correct address. Please shoot me an email so we can pick up where we left off.

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17360464)

Dude, you keep repeating shit like this and it's fucking stupid. Anyone that gets more than a couple of sales per day knows that sales don't come in evenly. We are all aware of how averages work and we know that you can't test small amounts of data effectively.

You know what else we as thinking webmasters know? That CCBill does this shit all the fucking time. There were people bitching about this in 2002, 2003 and 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010. The OP is not some pissant with 300 uniques per day. He quite clearly listed his traffic stats in the first post and if you can't deduce that he has enough data at his fingertips to draw some conclusions then something is wrong with YOU.

I started promoting CCBill sponsors in 2003 and the handful of sites I chose converted like crazy. A few weeks later, NOTHING. Not almost nothing, absolutely fucking nothing. tens of thousands of uniques per day and not a fucking sale for days at a time. Guess what? Other webmasters started bitching at the same time. Guess what else? CCBill reps NEVER find a God damned problem. They run a test transaction and say 'everything is fine on this end'. Oh, and during this time my webcam signups remained exactly the same as they had been. People lose 90% to 100% of their CCBill sales but other sponsors are OK. You somehow think this is the normal? This scenario has played out hundreds (thousands?) of times right here on GFY. You can search through the history and find out for yourself.

If you have as much traffic as you pretend to have then you know that sales can not dip so dramatically for no fucking reason. Very rarely does everyone on earth just quit buying porn at the same fucking time. The guy that liked jerking it to big titties last week still likes it this fucking week as well. CCBill is the absolute worst. I stopped promoting anything related to them in 2004 and judging by the multiple threads I've seen here THIS MONTH I will not test them out again.

You talking out of your ass and muddying the conversation with bullshit doesn't help anything and it doesn't make you look smart. Quite the opposite.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 17360497)

I have no probem with BV (and very few others here on GFY) but thanks for your post. I see (and have seen) those same GFY threads, too. I know what time it is, as they say on the streets of NYC. I understand how CCBill - and ANY biller - operates, what their concerns are, their liabilities, etc. I guess I'm just hoping my business will get some needed attention and some of these ratio issues can level off. But again, I'm a Dreamer. :D

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 17360487)

gets notcie from their merchant banks that they (the biller) needs to 'slow down" the pit-throughs for, say, 12-36 hours

Originally Posted by Jakez (Post 17360422)

Crap dude, Firefox is used by 36% of my traffic, so you've been essentially leaving 30-40% of your potential sales confused and sent away? I would be hella pissed at someone lol.



You're saying a whole lot all over threads on here just trying to stir shit up.

My sales don't suck, maybe YOUR adult sales do? I don't have a single sponsor above 1:1000 and the good ones are around 1:200-1:300. Buzz off.

Originally Posted by Jakez (Post 17360507)

What's a pit-through? I don't see how it would be wise for the bank to turn away sales for the same reason ccbill shouldn't lol.

But if there's a lot of chargebacks happening and they have to somehow cut down on that then I guess they would have to turn away sales? Shit.

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17360501)

If CCBIll had told me many years ago "We have to crank up the scrub, chargebacks are out of hand" I would have never pulled a link. That is never the case though, nothing is ever wrong. I was converting 1:250 steadily then it dropped to at first 0 sales in tens of thousands of hits then 1:20,000 conversions not long after. I can't sit around playing games with people that only give me 10% of the information I need.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 17360428)

Congratulations on your success! Way to go! But I would make that 100 sales a WEEK before giving them 70%, but that's just me. :)




Excellent point. Something I'm looking into but since i run 22 paysites, a Program (PeabodyCash), an entire Network plus a zillion other things, I would prefer for this setup to WORK rather than me spending time & effort writing scripts, installing software, etc etc. Heh, I'm a Dreamer. :D

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 17360533)

Fiddy CCBill explanations!

Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 17360534)

missed it by one hoss... fiddy

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17360488)

Have you ever, in all of the thousands of tests, found 1 problem with CCBill? This is the same song and dance everyone went through with Corvette years ago.

Originally Posted by CCBill Paul (Post 17360548)

Of course we have. You cannot be in business as long as CCBill without having some issues. That being said, it is our business to limit any issues that would cause our clients and ultimately us a drop in revenue.

Corvette and I have always offered to put through tests on our own credit cards when clients see times of abnormally low sales and that offer still stands today. If there is a problem with a clients setup or our systems in general we want to know about more than anyone else I am sure!

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17360464)

Dude, you keep repeating shit like this and it's fucking stupid. Anyone that gets more than a couple of sales per day knows that sales don't come in evenly. We are all aware of how averages work and we know that you can't test small amounts of data effectively.

You know what else we as thinking webmasters know? That CCBill does this shit all the fucking time. There were people bitching about this in 2002, 2003 and 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010. The OP is not some pissant with 300 uniques per day. He quite clearly listed his traffic stats in the first post and if you can't deduce that he has enough data at his fingertips to draw some conclusions then something is wrong with YOU.

I started promoting CCBill sponsors in 2003 and the handful of sites I chose converted like crazy. A few weeks later, NOTHING. Not almost nothing, absolutely fucking nothing. tens of thousands of uniques per day and not a fucking sale for days at a time. Guess what? Other webmasters started bitching at the same time. Guess what else? CCBill reps NEVER find a God damned problem. They run a test transaction and say 'everything is fine on this end'. Oh, and during this time my webcam signups remained exactly the same as they had been. People lose 90% to 100% of their CCBill sales but other sponsors are OK. You somehow think this is the normal? This scenario has played out hundreds (thousands?) of times right here on GFY. You can search through the history and find out for yourself.

If you have as much traffic as you pretend to have then you know that sales can not dip so dramatically for no fucking reason. Very rarely does everyone on earth just quit buying porn at the same fucking time. The guy that liked jerking it to big titties last week still likes it this fucking week as well. CCBill is the absolute worst. I stopped promoting anything related to them in 2004 and judging by the multiple threads I've seen here THIS MONTH I will not test them out again.

You talking out of your ass and muddying the conversation with bullshit doesn't help anything and it doesn't make you look smart. Quite the opposite.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 17360347)

Well BV, you make excellent points (as usual), and if I'm experiencing the same things everyone else is then I guess misery loves company, to some extent. LOL

I do understand about 'averages' - this rant is NOT about my bank account - but my concern is more about affiliates, and making sure the CCBill side of things is running smoothly.

I mean, I come on here all the time saying "promote my sites!!" and if an affiliate does, during one of these 'unexplainable' days and they get weird ratios, then I've lost that affiliate.

On another note: are you saying if i didn't switch the cascade these last 3 hours now those 4 sales would be CCBill sales?

Alternately: what do YOU do when you see 10,000 uniques with only 2 sales for a 1:5000 ratio? Just shrug it off and go fishing? If so, I wish I had your life! LOL

Originally Posted by BV (Post 17360589)

lol, I'm not even going to respond to this post.

Originally Posted by BV (Post 17360633)

Yes IMO those 4 would be CCBill sales.

and yes now I just shrug it off and wait, and inevitably things will pick up and even be awesome for a while.

It has been like this for over 10 years. The only difference between now and back then is the ratios are 10 times worse.

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17360551)

It's not about a problem, it's most likely due to varying scrub settings. Since this is all kept hush hush expect much commentary from your customers or affiliates promoting your customers.

Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 17360681)

There is nothing on monday said to you that you don't already know. Try this, send to epoch and cascade to ccbill for exactly 30 days... then send to ccbill and cascade to epoch for exactly 30 days. Post results in this thread in exactly 60 days :)

Not sure how you do that though will affiliate traffic unless you have a decent amount of self generated traffic that allows those flips.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 17360393)

Thank you for some serious advice!

To quickly respond: This isn't a "knee-jerk reaction" on my part. I've been exploring and investigating this situation since january of 2010. I would ONLY come onto a public board as a last resort. When I call CCBill Support all they can do is a run a test transaction. They don't (or can't) see what's happening internally, on the back end, where algorithms and scripts rule the day. plus, my CCBill rep hasn't responded to my last 4 emails for over a month now. So what to do? Take it like a little bitch? heh

But your advice about running NATS and 'testing' billers may be exactly the next step. Thanks again. :)

Originally Posted by BittieBucks (Post 17360394)

Ok here goes... first off not every sale will be via a referred affiliate, so far out of all the affiliates we have only 1 has been referred by another webmaster...

Secondly it says upto, we have a tiered system that rewards the affiliate for the volume of sales he sends, this is tiered at 50-55-60-65 and 70%... this means the affiliates sending the larger amount of sales can earn a bigger %... to achieve 70% they need to send us a 100 sales, the 70% is paid on subsequent sales (not the 100 to get to that tier) And to be fair if an affiliate can send us 100 sales in a month, then he is more than welcome to the profit after that...

Furthermore we try and monitorise the members in other ways, VOD, Webcam Networks, Upsells ect... We are hoping once we've been running for 6 months and we can see the per member value we will be in a position to up the base rate of the revshare to 60% and also introduce a real PPS non dependant on dubious cross sales...

Hope that answered your question, if not feel free to hit me up on ICQ :thumbsup

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17360501)

If CCBIll had told me many years ago "We have to crank up the scrub, chargebacks are out of hand" I would have never pulled a link. That is never the case though, nothing is ever wrong. I was converting 1:250 steadily then it dropped to at first 0 sales in tens of thousands of hits then 1:20,000 conversions not long after. I can't sit around playing games with people that only give me 10% of the information I need.

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17360654)

There's nothing to say. You keep saying that this happens all the time and it does. There is a reason for it though. Do you promote anything that isn't CCBill? When one entire processor stops converting for dozens of different sites but all the other ones are OK it is a red flag that only an idiot would ignore.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 17360661)

Well BV, all i can say then is: "Must be great to be BV." LOL

I have no idea how you run your business so apologies up front, but I am responsible not just for my own "bottom line" but for many others as well. Model splits, partners, affiliates, etc, to think about/fight for. When a model - who has grown dependent on the hundreds or thousands she receives weekly - calls me complaining that her sales are down 40% for this pay period and now she can't blah blah blah what do i do? Shrug it off? Go fishing?

Then I get complaints from affiliates: dude, I sent you four thousand hits last week and got X # of sales; did the same yesterday and got jack shit. WTF?

And then my business partners go: where's my ROI motherfucker?

And the models leave or stop updating their sites, and the affiliates stop sending traffic, and my business partners kick the shit out of me...

Dominos falling, one by one, with the last gigantic one crashing down and flattening
ol' Mister P. No thanks.

FUCK YOU PAY ME!

On a sunnier note: CCBill Paul wrote me, and while I won't disclose a private conversation in public, let's just say he's going to look into things for me on Monday. That's very much appreciated Paul, thank you.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 17360687)

But as for affiliates: If the cascade is switched to Epoch and a CCBill affiliate makes the sale, that affiliate gets paid by CCBill. So there'd better be enough coin in the piggy bank to pay that affiliate (rebills). For 30 days that would be a real hit. Last I heard, this was May I think, CCBill was looking into ways to pay the affiliates that cascade from Epoch in a differant way. Have to follow up on that.

Originally Posted by stever (Post 17360151)

dude you complain alot about ccbill
how about you just use epoch and stop complaining
or maybe get a merchant account
instead of just making gfy posts DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT PLAYA

Originally Posted by BV (Post 17360846)

I don't mean to come off sounding like I'm great. Because I'm not great. In fact I'm about burnt out on this shit. I'm just trying to tell you that you can't worry about the shit too much because it's going to drive you crazy.

I was just like you at one time. Along with many others. Comparing stats , wondering how there can be missing blanks for hours. If I didn't get so many sales in so many hours I was pulling my hair out thinking something was fucked up. But after 12 years of this shit you get used to it.

Originally Posted by Socks (Post 17360790)

For legal reasons, CCBill or any other large company is never going to tell you such a thing.

However since you know that, and it's the only real plausible explanation, why would you pull your links? Like CCBill can't charge the customer and make a password for the user and not credit the sale.. So it's just they were deciding for whatever strategic reason to decline people for a time.

If that's a necessary part of CCBill's business to be in this business processing for us, then I guess that's the way it's gotta be. Doesn't sound like it's in CCBill's best interests either, but they take the bitter pill. It happens to be shared with you, so it's kind of like giving you roofies or slipping you acid or maybe... ex lax. ;)

Seems like a wink and a nod to me, just have to be paying attention. :)

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 17360854)

huh? enough coin in the piggy bank to pay that affiliate? what's the difference which processor processed the sale? the affiliate gets 50/60% whether it was processed by CCBILL or Epoch and CCBILL pays out the affiliate. I have no idea about how the mechanics of the arrangement between CCBILL and Epoch work.

not sure what you're saying here, i want to know because I do plan on using CCBILL and Epoch is a cascade using CCBILL's affiliate backend. Maybe there's something I'm not aware of - CCBILL told me it was simple.

Originally Posted by Sabby (Post 17360872)

Agreed.

Honestly though for me... and I work with a wide range of processors, sites, etc...

I thought someone killed the internet today... mind you I got up late... missed morning wood... and been on cam 15 days straight (they prolly all ran out of money lol).

I really need to take a few days and shoot some new promo content and do a bit of marketing. Or <<shudder>> go into free chat a bit... eek!!!!


Sabby:)

Originally Posted by Sabby (Post 17360920)

What do you all think of Zombaio?


Sabby:)

Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 17360937)

No affiliate support but I am using them right now. Rebills seem to be not as good as ccbill but sales seem to be more steady. Still tons of denials.

show your tits again please

Originally Posted by Sabby (Post 17360943)

lol...

like I said... I need to do some promo content and marketing...

Ive been a very busy cam girl though... I freak when my income goes under $50 avg per hr logged in and Im rarely in free chat.


Sabby:)

Originally Posted by mmcfadden (Post 17360937)

No affiliate support but I am using them right now. Rebills seem to be not as good as ccbill but sales seem to be more steady. Still tons of denials.

show your tits again please

Originally Posted by Sabby (Post 17360954)

Still tons of scammers trying to use stolen cc.


Sabby:)