It takes 3% of your staff to deal with his one customer?

Epic fucking retard.

Did you even run a paysite? Many members are members of more paysites at once. You think when a surfer joins a paysite, thats it for him? You don't have a clue.

No shit, sherlock. Nothing you say will change the fact that many people have a limited amount of money they can spend on porn and you (most sponsors) are selling themselves short for a few extra bucks up front. If you have only one paysite and you send a customer to someone else there is a chance they drop your site because they like the other one better. If you have multiple sites and send a customer to a competitor it might limit the money they can spend on your future offerings. Also, when a customer gets pissed at 14 different companies rebilling them they will cancel all of them.

There is nothing you can say to justify sending customers to your competitors. It is shortsighted and stupid unless you are done with the business and just looking for a quick payday.

We do not sell food, we sell porn. Perhaps you don't know the difference, but there is one. But since you want to use sandwiches... the difference is that porn consumers will eat more than one sandwich at once at any given time. Not any one shop can satisfy their hunger. So you sell them as much as they can eat, because THEY WILL KEEP EATING and if you don't feed them, someone else will.


So says the moron who doesn't know a hypothetical question when he sees once.

Don't know what nick you used to go by here but you probably changed it because you are more retarded than those you are accusing of being retarded.

You're a real piece of work. Doubt you have any stake in this business at all.

People don't eat more than one sandwich per month? You will not find anyone in ANY other line of business telling their customers about competitors without being prompted. It is shortsighted and the programs suggesting it here are outing themselves as fucking morons of the highest degree. It's not that every single customer you send somewhere else will be a net loss to you but overall it has a negative effect. This has been going on forever, who knows where rebills would be if everyone weren't so God damned stupid.

Since you want to continue the food analogy I'll help you out.

People eat 3 times per day. Some people find a restaurant and it is THEIR ABSOLUTE FAVORITE FOOD so they eat there all the time. Well they did, until the owner told them about a better shop just around the corner.

Seriously dude, it's not rocket science. The fact that someone would even attempt to argue about it is hilarious to me. Keep shooting yourself in the foot, it doesn't affect me at all.

Many theories just don't work in adult, you never know what will work and affect sales/rebills if you don't try it out. I always analyzed stats very closely and I tried everything, I didn't see any difference in retention/rebills with and without upsells. Not even a bit!

Lets see webmaster gets 60% processing takes 10-15% so that puts you at 75% of your profits gone. You still have to pay for content and daily operations. If they don't upsell how do they put food on their tables? I been in hundreds and hundreds of members area and i would say 90% have upsells to dating or even other paysites its just how it is and how it always has been. This is nothing new.

With a lot of the cross sale companies gone, everyone needs something new to complain about. :2 cents:

I dont sell anything to my members other then memberships. I do have a link to my cam show on cams.com but thats just so they can see me live if wanted.

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I think people who upsell do so because they realise that their content alone cannot sustain the member long term and as the member will end up going somewhere else anyway, why not give him some ideas as to where to go, and get a share of his future purchases.

No, BUT you can sell things that do no compete!

Many members join many sites. No one is going to go to one site, join and stay there forever. I'd rather try to get some $ by showing him some other sites than not getting any $ and letting someone else get it.

Porn consumers are hungry. They want more more more more and more. What gets them off today, may not get them off tomorrow or next week.

So fix your damn site and make them want to stay. Do you even have a site? :1orglaugh

You have no idea do you. I have over 100 sites. Been at this since 1996.

No one stays forever, dumb ass. Go surf somewhere else kid.

There IS a way to upsell "organically" and with integrity, but it has to be done right. Problem is, as with most porn sites and site owners, they just do whatever they want and throw ugly-ass banners up, and animated GIFs flashing this or that "deal". It's fucking ridiculous. It's like walking into a Red Light District with tacky neon lights flashing. Puh-leeeeeeze!

If you're gonna upsell then take the time to make it look like a fucking "recommendation" from YOU, their porn buddy. Oh wait, right, that takes brains and sensitivity and giving a fuck. Never mind, carry on.

Why should I have an idea? One look in your members area and I would never promote you anyhow.

that is no comparison. they aren't going to drop the car and keep the add ons...

80-90% of people will only have memberships to 1-2 sites at any given time.

As a now certified affiliate, :) stocktrader23 will be doing all my talking from here on. lol :thumbsup :)

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Good fun and interesting thread.

My Members Area is clean of upsells. Any other questions you just let me know!

DreamnetCash just launched its affiliate program a couple months ago. My own amateur site (Elli-Nude.com) is in there, if you'd care to promote a redheaded Canadian amateur solo chick like myself. :) It's run through CCBill. If you're needing promo materials you don't see in there, just hit me up and I'll see what I can get for you.

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i guess you didn't pick up on the sarcasm...moron :321GFY

see what i mean? you prove my point, full of idiots...

so i guess the statement "That's why Chevrolet dealerships have Ford posters in their showrooms right?" is a good comparison to you?

it's ridiculous to think upsales in the member's area destroys rebills. do affiliates really think a member is going to say "oh my god, look at all these other porn sites that i can join...i never knew they existed!"

the bottom line is members are going to leave at some point or another. a site owner can only try to direct them to another site and hopefully make some money in the process.

where the fuck do affiliate get off telling site owners how to run their sites? affiliates can not exist without sponsors but sponsors have always and will always make money without affiliates.

so fuck off to all the cry baby affiliates because they aren't making the money they use to for doing dick all.

I doubt you have even have a credit card. :2 cents:

And how many people do you think will upsell? Its not a gold mine. With 100 sales a day to the main site, not more than 5-10 upsells will come.

Surely if the sandwich shop who didn't sell drinks told their customer they could get a nice drink to wash it down with from another shop just down the street is no different to a program who doesn't offer cams themselves .... up-selling someone elses?
If you don't offer yourself what you are up-selling, surely its fine?
If everybody had truly unique products and helped each other out by sharing... would be a much more targeted and better world.

I only upsell to sites that are relevant to what I'm selling. If they join my big tit site, I only show cams or a banner or two to quality big tit sites. I don't blast them with penis enlargers and dumb spammy shit. It helps with the sale and more will buy if you offer what they are already looking for.

I've tested with and without upsells. Both models rebill the same.

Check out our program. We have had members last for over 10 years.
We have two studios, full staff producing an exclusive show 6 times a week.

Please excuse my ignorance here, but isn't your site new?

The affiliate program is new, Naked News however has been around for 10 years.

hit me up :)

If you don't upsell you are leaving big $$$$ on the table.

It's not about ripping people off. It's about running a business and maximizing your revenues. If you want to do business with companies that don't do that then go right ahead. Don't be surprised when they can't pay you.

We have clean high quality upsells in our members area. The reality is a very large portion of members join/spend at more than one site in a month. We find the best deals, products, services and offer them to them. It doesn't hurt their experience on Twistys and only adds to our bottomline.

That is why we offer 70% revshare instead of 50.