Originally Posted by holograph (Post 17387216)

technical folks like PCs, non technical enjoy Macs.
if you have to ask which platform to go with, go with Macs.

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 17387610)

So your notebook is not portable anymore when all those devices are connected. Why don't you use a normal desktop computer then?

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17387506)

That's a fact huh... that's weird because Adobe has never run better than on my Mac. In windows it crashed daily, multiple times. And if there's something out there better than the Adobe Suite, please share.

Originally Posted by qwe (Post 17388318)

if it crashes daily on your pc then something's wrong with it or you're a moron.... I had alot of pc's in the last 10 years, no issues other then some faulty hard drives, I even have old ahtlon amd running strong 24/7 for god knows how many years.... I used my buddies brand new mac, and it felt like it's made for grandmas and girls with all this tiny/cute/curvy design, macs are for people who are clueless about computers and how to operate them imo

Originally Posted by holograph (Post 17387216)

technical folks like PCs, non technical enjoy Macs.
if you have to ask which platform to go with, go with Macs.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17387208)

I hear this angle all the time, yet it doesn't bother you that PCs get nailed 24/7 with that crap.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17388324)

Yeah.... lol

I built custom PCs for 15 years.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17388219)

Why isn't it portable? It takes me 3 seconds to disconnect and toss it in a bag. That's not portable?

Originally Posted by Vick! (Post 17388364)

If hackers/virus writers are targeting Windows, may be it tells that PC (Windows basically) is more popular?

Originally Posted by Vick! (Post 17388364)

Same applies to the available softwares. There are shit load of more developers for Windows than any other OS, including X.

Originally Posted by qwe (Post 17388366)

I highly doubt that if your abode crashed on your pc machine daily...

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 17388381)

But it even better if you don't disconnect anything. If you want to move, you just leave the desktop as is, then pick up your notebook to go :)

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17387119)

That was the exact thing that finally forced me to make the switch. Had a brand new top-of-the-line Dell laptop, 6 months old... keyboard died, had to use an external.... monitor died so had to use an external.... then it stopped booting altogether.... reinstall from scratch, no better.... finally got it running again, (still using external monitor & keyboard) but had to run like 6 different virus/malware scanners, registry "fixers" defraggers & optimizers and on and on and on.... was spending 6 hours of every work day "fixing" my pc. (and not just this Dell lemon, but every PC I ever had was the same way.... endlessly running scanners & "fixers".

One day I snapped and shitcanned the whole fucking works. Bought Macs and never looked at a fucking PC again.

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17387479)

It's a FACT that adobe runs like shit on OS X compared to Windows. (Totally not Apple's fault it's all Adobe)...

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17387506)

That's a fact huh... that's weird because Adobe has never run better than on my Mac. In windows it crashed daily, multiple times. And if there's something out there better than the Adobe Suite, please share.

Originally Posted by AlCapone (Post 17388398)

If you aren't visiting sites that might have an auto-installer, downloading shit you shouldn't (or from places you don't trust), or being stupid in your email... There's no reason you should ever get any viruses / malware.

2cents

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17388411)

Have you visited some of the porn sites out there? All it takes is ONE website to fuck you. It has nothing to do with being stupid. A single bad malware popup or viewing one fucked up email can install that crap on your systems and bring Windows to it's knees. Don't be stupid, you already know this.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17388389)

For security reasons I choose not to leave that particular laptop unattended anywhere, ever. Everything else in here is bolted down.

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 17388461)

http://www.truecrypt.org/ :pimp

Originally Posted by dav3 (Post 17388085)

:thumbsup

Those 'I'm a Mac, I'm a PC' commercials made people think that Macs are somehow not 'personal computers'. heheh

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17388570)

Mac hardware is different than PC hardware.

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 17388613)

What exactly part of is different there? Chipset, CPU, RAM, something else?

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 17388613)

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_CqtZ6YfaifQ/SW...asfailboot.jpg

What exactly part of is different there? Chipset, CPU, RAM, something else?

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17388673)

The quality of the components and the processes used to merge them. I've had top-of-the-line PCs and top-of-the-line Macs. The Macs are still running. The PCs are long gone sitting in a landfill. That means something. PCs might be a little cheaper up front, but how many do you need to buy to last as long as one Mac?

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17388690)

How long have you had your mac?

The pc I'm typing on I've had for four years now, 0 issues. The PC before this one, was about 5 years.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17388716)

I have one MBP in the kitchen from '07 still running like new. My iMac is from '07. My studio MBP is from '09. The longest I ever had a PC run (before either complete failure or so much degraded that it was useless) was 2 years.

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17388732)

TBH, sounds more like a user issue or just plain bad luck. Ive been working from home for years and have had 0 problems. I don't even turn my PC off at night, I leave several threads running.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17388763)

Then I must have had bad luck between 1993 and 2007 (my Windows Era), because as soon as I switched, all my computer problems went away. Every one of them.

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17388795)

Must be so. Guess it's a good thing I didn't have you build any PCs for me. :)

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17388801)

The custom builds were the most reliable of all, ironically. It was the shelf systems that always failed gloriously. Dell, HP, Compaq, Gateway, etc.... all failed. The custom builds just died a slow death from computer age.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17388814)

I have another HP laptop here with Vista on it that's from '05. The battery exploded three years ago so it's permanently on the power cord, and the keyboard only half works... but I haven't turned it on in over a year, so not sure if it'll even boot.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17388673)

The quality of the components and the processes used to merge them. I've had top-of-the-line PCs and top-of-the-line Macs.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17388673)

The Macs are still running. The PCs are long gone sitting in a landfill. That means something. PCs might be a little cheaper up front, but how many do you need to buy to last as long as one Mac?

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 17388831)

No that's mot true :) They have ABSOLUTELY THE SAME components. The quality is also the same. Do you think your Core 2 Duo is more quality than one installed into some Dell or Samsung computer? :)

As about "the processes used to merge them" so it's wrong even more. Everything is being assembled in China :)



Of course not. For example, I have some cheap notebook (you are used to call it PC :winkwink:) which I bought in 2000. It's still works excepting the battery. On the other hand, a friend of mine has bought Macintosh iBook only 2 years ago (he is an old Mac-addicted fanatic). Now that piece of shit has issues with overheating, from time to time its video card brings vertical lines to the screen, its DVD ROM doesn't write DVD's anymore and its battery can't work longer than 10 minutes without a charger. I know every defect of that fucking computed because it was the only notebook we have brought to with us when we were traveling through the USA. You know, I really hate MacBooks after that trip. Using Lenovo Edge after iBook it's like driving Mercedes after some cheap Russian "car".

So all these talks about quality Macs and sub-quality "other PC's" is just a pure nonsense.

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17388684)

It's the kernels, you retard.

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 17388831)

No that's mot true :) They have ABSOLUTELY THE SAME components. The quality is also the same. Do you think your Core 2 Duo is more quality than one installed into some Dell or Samsung computer? :)

As about "the processes used to merge them" so it's wrong even more. Everything is being assembled in China :)



Of course not. For example, I have some cheap notebook (you are used to call it PC :winkwink:) which I bought in 2000. It's still works excepting the battery. On the other hand, a friend of mine has bought Macintosh iBook only 2 years ago (he is an old Mac-addicted fanatic). Now that piece of shit has issues with overheating, from time to time its video card brings vertical lines to the screen, its DVD ROM doesn't write DVD's anymore and its battery can't work longer than 10 minutes without a charger. I know every defect of that fucking computed because it was the only notebook we have brought to with us when we were traveling through the USA. You know, I really hate MacBooks after that trip. Using Lenovo Edge after iBook it's like driving Mercedes after some cheap Russian "car".

So all these talks about quality Macs and sub-quality "other PC's" is just a pure nonsense.

Originally Posted by mgtarheels (Post 17388837)

You're wrong.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17388850)

Well then it appears that it's a matter of "what works for you".

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17388850)

Aaaaaaaaaaannnnd....... we're back to where we started. :)

Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 17388886)

Exactly the same thing as I can say to you :) You had no issues with Mac but had problems with other brands like HP and Dell. As about me, so I don't use any branded computers except notebooks. The one notebook I had real headaches with was iBook.



We started with what's better for a regular work: desktop or notebook. I still believe that desktop is better and I have mentioned some serious arguments to back it up.

Originally Posted by holograph (Post 17387216)

technical folks like PCs, non technical enjoy Macs.
if you have to ask which platform to go with, go with Macs.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 17389279)

That's not even true.

I'm an artist, and I've been creating art with a PC for 15 years -- and making a good living from it. There is NOTHING you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC creatively. The BS stereotype that is spoon fed to the public is that artists use Macs, office people use PCs.

I've worked at agencies that are entirely PC driven, and they create some pretty awesome stuff. Most of the art you see in Hollywood movies are done on a PC. Almost all major 3d animation packages are geared mainly toward PCs with Mac development as an afterthought. I know this because any high end graphics software package I've ever used, there's a always a portion of the community that is crying for Mac version.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 17389279)

That's not even true.

I'm an artist, and I've been creating art with a PC for 15 years -- and making a good living from it. There is NOTHING you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC creatively. The BS stereotype that is spoon fed to the public is that artists use Macs, office people use PCs.

I've worked at agencies that are entirely PC driven, and they create some pretty awesome stuff. Most of the art you see in Hollywood movies are done on a PC. Almost all major 3d animation packages are geared mainly toward PCs with Mac development as an afterthought. I know this because any high end graphics software package I've ever used, there's a always a portion of the community that is crying for Mac version.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17389358)

Wrong. (on just about every count.)

Originally Posted by holograph (Post 17389568)

i guess some developers can be non technical and some artists technical) i didn't even mention programmers or artists)
technical are those who can take things apart and put it back together
and then there are those who like just using things without getting into inner workings of things like computers/os/cars/etc.

if a person doesn't know much about computers and os and is asking which one to get and doesn't want to have headaches let them buy a Mac and be worry free and happy that its so shiny that they even never have to dust it off ;)

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 17389629)

I didn't say you were saying one is mutually exclusive of the other, it's just a stereotype that maybe fit back in 1995, but not today. As far as hardware goes, yes a PC is for more technical-minded people. You don't have to take a PC apart during its lifetime, but many PC'ers like to build their own rigs. One thing I've noticed about Mac users I know is that they always have the same system for years, while I constantly update my processor to the latest and fastest.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 17389596)

I know a lot of 3d artists, and almost all of them use PCs. That's a fact.

It's been like that for years. If you're getting into high end animation, you're smarter to go the PC route. There's just more available to you.

The machines are cheaper and usually faster also.

Originally Posted by holograph (Post 17389646)

lol try upgrading iMac ))) good luck with that)