I have another HP laptop here with Vista on it that's from '05. The battery exploded three years ago so it's permanently on the power cord, and the keyboard only half works... but I haven't turned it on in over a year, so not sure if it'll even boot.

So, then you just disproved half your argument from earlier. You just turned your argument into quality control of major PC makers vs Apple, and not PC vs Mac, nor PC hardware vs Mac hardware.

Your issue there is HP, lol.

I used Vista for a bit, and I never had any issues with it but only used it for about 3 months.

No that's mot true :) They have ABSOLUTELY THE SAME components. The quality is also the same. Do you think your Core 2 Duo is more quality than one installed into some Dell or Samsung computer? :)

As about "the processes used to merge them" so it's wrong even more. Everything is being assembled in China :)

Of course not. For example, I have some cheap notebook (you are used to call it PC :winkwink:) which I bought in 2000. It's still works excepting the battery. On the other hand, a friend of mine has bought Macintosh iBook only 2 years ago (he is an old Mac-addicted fanatic). Now that piece of shit has issues with overheating, from time to time its video card brings vertical lines to the screen, its DVD ROM doesn't write DVD's anymore and its battery can't work longer than 10 minutes without a charger. I know every defect of that fucking computed because it was the only notebook we have brought to with us when we were traveling through the USA. You know, I really hate MacBooks after that trip. Using Lenovo Edge after iBook it's like driving Mercedes after some cheap Russian "car".

So all these talks about quality Macs and sub-quality "other PC's" is just a pure nonsense.

You're wrong.

You are idiot, son. The kernels of hardware are:
1) CPU
2) Chipset
3) RAM

That's all. Please stop posting bullshit and learn what computer is.

Well then it appears that it's a matter of "what works for you".
Obviously PCs have worked out for you. For me, I'll never touch another one. I think they are cheaply made and Windows is too prone to catastrophe, (all on it's own, no viruses needed).

Aaaaaaaaaaannnnd....... we're back to where we started. :)

LOL, go to back to the school, boy. PLEASE! :pimp

Exactly the same thing as I can say to you :) You had no issues with Mac but had problems with other brands like HP and Dell. As about me, so I don't use any branded computers except notebooks. The only notebook I had real headaches with was iBook.

We started with what's better for a regular work: desktop or notebook. I still believe that desktop is better and I have mentioned some serious arguments to back it up.

windows and linux, cant stand mac

Well, desktops are still cheaper if you're looking for maximum performance. (low end models you can get a $200 PC laptop now.... disposable.) However... I still prefer having the space on my physical desk rather than a big hulking computer, and I will always opt for the ability to grab the entire system and go with no notice. Just the way I'm wired.

That's not even true.

I'm an artist, and I've been creating art with a PC for 15 years -- and making a good living from it. There is NOTHING you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC creatively. The BS stereotype that is spoon fed to the public is that artists use Macs, office people use PCs.

I've worked at agencies that are entirely PC driven, and they create some pretty awesome stuff. Most of the art you see in Hollywood movies are done on a PC. Almost all major 3d animation packages are geared mainly toward PCs with Mac development as an afterthought. I know this because any high end graphics software package I've ever used, there's a always a portion of the community that is crying for Mac version.

Wrong. (on just about every count.)

i guess some developers can be non technical and some artists technical) i didn't even mention programmers or artists)
technical are those who can take things apart and put it back together
and then there are those who like just using things without getting into inner workings of things like computers/os/cars/etc.

if a person doesn't know much about computers and os and is asking which one to get and doesn't want to have headaches let them buy a Mac and be worry free and happy that its so shiny that they even never have to dust it off ;)

I know a lot of 3d artists, and almost all of them use PCs. That's a fact.

It's been like that for years. If you're getting into high end animation, you're smarter to go the PC route. There's just more available to you.

The machines are cheaper and usually faster also.

I didn't say you were saying one is mutually exclusive of the other, it's just a stereotype that maybe fit back in 1995, but not today. As far as hardware goes, yes a PC is for more technical-minded people. You don't have to take a PC apart during its lifetime, but many PC'ers like to build their own rigs. One thing I've noticed about Mac users I know is that they always have the same system for years, while I constantly update my processor to the latest and fastest.

lol try upgrading iMac ))) good luck with that)

Sorry, I ran out of time here on that last post, had to take care of something...

but what I was meaning was, yeah it's a stereotype...

but it has truth to it. Just for different reasons. Corporate America likes PCs because they don't want to spend money on upgrading their junk. That's why they're still using XP, IE6 and PCs. (Also because PCs are ultra cheap). And guys like me prefer Macs because I don't want to spend my limited time in this world (that I personally think of as valuable), fixing something that should already work as it's supposed to. I'd rather spend that time working or doing something fun. Fixing busted, jacked up PCs does not interest me in the least.

It's not "artists use Macs, offices use PCs" because of the stereotype... the stereotype exists because of the fact that it, for the most part, it just works out that way in nature.

Hollywood uses PCs predominately? News to me. As I understood it, most new movies are being cut & scored in Final Cut. Wasn't Hurt Locker created entirely on Macs? Wasn't Microsoft's own advertising created on Macs? Just saying, the stereotype has teeth. Not across the board of course, nothing is a 100% sweep.

I just upgraded my iMac last month. Plucked the screen off, yanked the HDD, and dropped in a 1tb drive. Piece of cake.

Fuck it! I am going with a super stable linux mint host running an xp virtual machine for those SEO apps that refuse to run w wine.

End-o-story...

May be you don't know how to maintain your box? Just a thought.

Yeah, that's what I thought too. That's why I ran all the virus scanners and registry fixers and system defraggers and PC optimizers and all that shit. I swear I tried every one that exists. The shit was still fucked. Maybe it was me. I don't know. But I do know that all that trouble disappeared as soon as I turned on a Mac and put the PC where it belongs.... (trashcan).

I'm talking about digital effects. Creatures, flames, smoke, digital stunt doubles, compositing, particle effcts, etc.

I know Macs dominate editing because of Final Cut -- I've actually never worked at a place that didn't use a Mac for editing, whether it was the Media100 a few years back, or FC, which has basically shut Avid out of the market.

Non-intel Macs with scsi adapters..ahh those were the days!

I've been running Kubuntu on the laptops I've used as primary machines for a few years, as well as Ubuntu netbook remix on my Dell mini. I have a WinXP box with dual screen in my office I rarely use because I'm too lazy to switch to anything else on it. I also only do development work and no graphic creation for websites; so have only needed to use GIMP to chop stuff if necessary.

With that, I recently wiped my current laptop of a 32-bit Kubuntu OS to the 64-bit because I upgraded my RAM. We all know how shitty it is to start from scratch, but I must say this (K)Ubuntu route was pretty smooth. To get my system to where I had it under the previous OS version was:

or use the update manager. Obviously, I had to configure local web server, and a bunch of other settings most people would never need to tweak, but from a basic install from scratch to getting back up and ready, I was pretty pleased.

Unfortunately, I need to test websites in IE browsers (pray to gawd they work in mac browsers, even though Safari for Windows doesn't perform the same as Safari on Mac). I just needed to install Virtual Box, which is free, install a Windows OS on it, copy that virtual machine three times, and for each iteration, I have IE6, IE7 and IE8 to test on (Anyone know how to properly run all three versions of Internet Explorer on one Windows OS install?).

Anyway... I'm not running video editing software, designing graphics, playing games, or anything special other than having a LAMP stack on my local box which seems to port well when I upload a website to a remote web server. The OS and software is all free, and Google usually can find community-driven help if an issue arises.

Regarding Mac computers - I just dislike them. I've had to test on some Macbooks and though it would take some amount of time figuring stuff out and getting used to, I just don't like them. Everyone I seem to work with has a Mac, and they all have crashes, issues, have to go to the "Apple Store", whatever. Anyone saying a Mac is just fool proof and never crashes is either full of shit or just uses their computer to play solitaire.

Like a bunch of others have said, it's more of an OS issue and software issue than hardware, since hardware is becomes a moot point at some level.

There's my dumbshit $.02.

Edit**: Obligatory Bash quote: http://bash.org/?741630

adobe is pretty buggy softeware

same here

file sizes have been growing so much every camera upgrade that I can't run actions or edit on a 3 year old machine. when I started shooting digital in 2001 the files were 600kb now they are 5mg.. then I had to dump at machine so I could edit HDV. so I guess I really don't need a box to last over 2 years....

i love my pc even if it is slowly as an old lady :)

Oh. That says a lot. NEVER run this sort of application if you don't want to break your operating system. Sorry, but it really seems you just can't handle your OS in the right condition. That's why you had problems with it. :2 cents:

Personally I can handle both Windows and Mac OS X. I know how they work, and I know how to fix their registries manually (never use any brainless optimizers for that).

I've used fedora and ubuntu, but never experimented with kubuntu, whats the difference?

it depends, for personal use, pc, but mac is better to work

KDE instead of Gnome.

See, but that's my problem with Windows.... you shouldn't have to fix it. Why can't it simply function like it's supposed to? OS X does. You mean to tell me that Microsoft either intentionally makes their OS full of problems because they want tinkerers to have something to do in their spare time, or they are incapable, even with all their money, of building an OS that functions without breaking in just about every way.

the only brainless "optimizer" that is any good is CCleaner - just removes shit that is not being used from uninstalled progies, doesn't "optimize" or "tweak" anything in there. also cleans array of selected temp folders. excellent maintenance tool

why a car cant run for long without getting fucked up without maintenance, tuneups, oil checks, filter replacements and so on? do you have any "Mac" type of car that you can recommend that can go without maintenance? and the one that can't break when i crush it against the wall for instance;)

No it doesn't. Initially Mac OS X is tuned up for an average user. So there are still lots of things to alter in the Mac OS X registry. You just have to know the operating system and what exactly you want from it. Big part of Windows users are more technically educated ones so first of all they tune up the registry. Advanced Mac OS X users do the same, but they are in minority of those "average OS X" users :winkwink:

P.S. A quote from my dictionary. Average Mac OS X user = Paris Hilton. :)

Some cars are better than others. Just like computers. Buy a piece of shit, it will break down more. I bought a $46k vehicle, it has never broken down once in nearly 6 years. I got what I paid for. You validated my point. :)

Yeah, my Mac systems are fully tweaked and customized throughout... still no problems. :)

the point would be valid if you didn't have to maintain your car with regular check ups and it didn't break of careless driving;)