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directfiesta 08-04-2010 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 17387469)
What news station? Ive heard the same thing. Would be whacked out if true. But what are the side effects of those microbes eating all that oil?

Yes, there is...

You need to pour more oil to feed them ....

dyna mo 08-04-2010 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17387796)
I grew up there too...my brother is a fishing captain out of Punta Gorda/Ft. Myers

I love eating Gulf seafood. Grew up on it. I'd go there right now and eat seafood without a second thought about it. I'll probably do more to poison my body on a Friday night out partying than if I ate a can of oil! :1orglaugh

i hear ya, i've shucked my share of gulf oysters and fried up enough king fish for everyone here. but california seafood is superior. the gulf is the toilet bowl of the world's waters.

theking 08-04-2010 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17387544)
It got me thinking...

Also yesterday on CNN they were talking about a BIGGER spill that took place in the Gulf of Mexico.

It happened in 1979 off the coast of Mexico. Well, I was 18 years old then. And I had never even HEARD of that spill! And I asked my Mom about it (she still lives in Fla. near Tampa where my whole family is), and she had never heard of it either!

I guess back in 1979 before 24 hour news organizations...that the oil company did the best they could (that oil well spewed into the ocean for TEN STRAIGHT MONTHS before they could stop it) and nature did the rest. And the general public never even noticed it.

I'm kinda wondering if the media knew all of this but didn't report it because the story of ecological DISASTER was so much better for ratings. I know it had me glued to the television and I was sure this was going to destroy the ocean.

The media did report about the 1979 incident.

2MuchMark 08-04-2010 12:07 PM

The oil is not gone, it is just out of site from the air. According to another great report from Rolling Stone, The oil dispercents that BP dumped into the Gulf has made the oil slightly heavier which is causing it to sink a little below the surface. These are the oil plumes you hear so much about. Rush Limbauh is an ill informed fucking idiot who gets crazier every day.

While its true that various microbes will eventually eat and absorb much of the oil, it will take decades for this to happen. The loss of wildlife and devastating ecnonmic impact to that area has only just begun. Rush and the other idiots trying to sweep this terrible disaster under the rug should have their asses thrown in jail.

dyna mo 08-04-2010 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 17387837)
The oil is not gone, it is just out of site from the air. According to another great report from Rolling Stone, The oil dispercents that BP dumped into the Gulf has made the oil slightly heavier which is causing it to sink a little below the surface. These are the oil plumes you hear so much about. Rush Limbauh is an ill informed fucking idiot who gets crazier every day.

While its true that various microbes will eventually eat and absorb much of the oil, it will take decades for this to happen. The loss of wildlife and devastating ecnonmic impact to that area has only just begun. Rush and the other idiots trying to sweep this terrible disaster under the rug should have their asses thrown in jail.

you are behind on the news amigo.

Phoenix 08-04-2010 12:14 PM

hmm interesting...im guessing most of the oil is still underneath the water...deep, and floating...if the microbes are eating it down there in the dark then that is something i guess

lets hope whoever eats the microbes are friendly..lol

Robbie 08-04-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17387842)
you are behind on the news amigo.

Big time. Turn the television on now **********. CNN is reporting this like crazy.

dyna mo 08-04-2010 12:19 PM

A study using two sensitive Gulf species shows that the chemical dispersant used by BP in the Gulf, when mixed with oil, was less toxic than the oil itself, the Environmental Protection Agency said Monday.

"Dispersants were less toxic than oil or oil-dispersants mixture," Paul Anastas, EPA's assistant administrator for research and development, told reporters.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38525250/

Robbie 08-04-2010 12:22 PM

So it's starting to look like the only people who really understood how this was going to play out was...
BP?

Fuck, I guess that makes sense since they are in the oil business.

Randy West 08-04-2010 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17387741)
and what did you do that was so great in your life? bang whores? impressive...maybe people are worried about the condition they are leaving their surroundings in for their offspring. you want to simplify things and go on some kind of carlin like rant, thats great but it solves nothing.

And you will change the world, one GFY post at a time.

cherrylula 08-04-2010 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17387451)
First off...I'm not starting this thread to begin a fight between "conservatives" and "liberal" here on GFY. I'm just saying what I have seen on the news:

I'm watching the news right now. And they are saying that almost all of the oil in the gulf is...GONE.

And they are saying that 25% of the oil has already been eaten by microbes and is gone completely.

The rest of it is in tiny, tiny diluted form and is being taken care of "naturally" as well!

This is EXACTLY what the news was reporting a month ago that Rush Limbaugh claimed and they were giving him hell for saying it!

Limbaugh said on his radio show that the oil was part of nature and that nature would take care of it.

Everybody (including me) thought he was full of shit. All the news organizations gave him hell.

Weird, today none of the news organizations have mentioned that Limbaugh was right after all. lol

NOT TRUE! Guess what? When the sun goes down, planes have been spraying this dispersant every night trying to get the oil to "disappear." It is a foot thick in the marshes, its NOT almost gone they are just trying to spin it in the media.

BP wants to wrap up the cleaning they are paying for ASAP which right now will still be several weeks, but this thing is capped they want to move on.

All the news is such BS, if you were down here and knew people right in the middle of what is going on you would realize it.

I saw photos just yesterday of huge swirls of oil in the bay. It is far from gone, and will be lingering on here for years and years to come.

It literally sickens my stomach to read the news. What is going on down here is totally different, but everyone here following the news feels the same way. They're getting ready to move on, and so many lives are ruined.

edit: I don't even want to read the idiot comments in this thread. Nobody cares, except the people who lost their livelihood and those down here.

cherrylula 08-04-2010 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17387736)
Saw something yesterday that said a lot of fishermen in Louisiana COULD go back to fishing right now. The waters they fish in have been re-opened. But they interviewed them and the fishermen were saying that they are making more money working for BP cleaning the marshes than they would bringing fish to market. So for now they aren't going out.

that is hilarious! yeah $10 an hour is awesome. :1orglaugh

http://newworldorderreport.com/News/...-up-crews.aspx

Nikki_Licks 08-04-2010 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 17388350)
NOT TRUE! Guess what? When the sun goes down, planes have been spraying this dispersant every night trying to get the oil to "disappear." It is a foot thick in the marshes, its NOT almost gone they are just trying to spin it in the media.

BP wants to wrap up the cleaning they are paying for ASAP which right now will still be several weeks, but this thing is capped they want to move on.

All the news is such BS, if you were down here and knew people right in the middle of what is going on you would realize it.

I saw photos just yesterday of huge swirls of oil in the bay. It is far from gone, and will be lingering on here for years and years to come.

It literally sickens my stomach to read the news. What is going on down here is totally different, but everyone here following the news feels the same way. They're getting ready to move on, and so many lives are ruined.

edit: I don't even want to read the idiot comments in this thread. Nobody cares, except the people who lost their livelihood and those down here.

Maybe you folks should get your own pictures of this stuff going on and take it to some media or radio station. I am sure once one outlet exposes it, the other media outlets will be reporting on it too......:2 cents:

Robbie 08-04-2010 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 17388350)
NOT TRUE! Guess what? When the sun goes down, planes have been spraying this dispersant every night trying to get the oil to "disappear." It is a foot thick in the marshes, its NOT almost gone they are just trying to spin it in the media.

BP wants to wrap up the cleaning they are paying for ASAP which right now will still be several weeks, but this thing is capped they want to move on.

All the news is such BS, if you were down here and knew people right in the middle of what is going on you would realize it.

I saw photos just yesterday of huge swirls of oil in the bay. It is far from gone, and will be lingering on here for years and years to come.

It literally sickens my stomach to read the news. What is going on down here is totally different, but everyone here following the news feels the same way. They're getting ready to move on, and so many lives are ruined.

edit: I don't even want to read the idiot comments in this thread. Nobody cares, except the people who lost their livelihood and those down here.

I don't know how they will be able to clean the grass on the marshes except to burn it back.
As for the oil in the ocean itself...I guess you'd have to put on a dive suit, have a degree in science and all the scientific gear neccessary to measure such things and go in for a first hand look to be able to say with any reasonable authority that the oil is still out there.

Just out of curiousity...how do you explain that other big spill from 1979 not taking "decades" to be gone. And how about the biggest one ever in the known history of man from 1992 Gulf War. It dwarfed this one. And yet...everything is fine there.

Not arguing with you by the way. Just asking what your take on that is.

And before you say they are lying about those other oil leaks being "fixed"...I've been down to Mexico many times on vacation right on the ocean and it's beautiful there. And when I went diving...it was magnificent and teaming with fish.

cherrylula 08-04-2010 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17387842)
you are behind on the news amigo.

man you are fucking annoying and need to shut the fuck up!

message board warriors! fucking losers! damn experts on a forum, unreal. :1orglaugh

Robbie 08-04-2010 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 17388380)
that is hilarious! yeah $10 an hour is awesome. :1orglaugh

http://newworldorderreport.com/News/...-up-crews.aspx

Just saying what the fishermen themselves were saying on video to CNN. Maybe the guys they interviewed are really bad fishermen?

cherrylula 08-04-2010 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17387904)
So it's starting to look like the only people who really understood how this was going to play out was...
BP?

Fuck, I guess that makes sense since they are in the oil business.

Yeah they're in the money business, and the PR business. You guys really just believe BP? I mean, seriously that's it?

Its fucked down here, but everyone wants to move on to the next disaster in the media. This was MAN MADE by this company, and when they bail out and leave this place in shambles nobody will care. People just want to comment on the interwebs, like they know something.

Sorry to sound so pissed, not coming at you Robbie but some of the dumbasses around here just spend their useless lives commenting on things that don't affect them IRL.

Being right here in the center of all this oil spill drama and seeing people spout off about it with no clue except C-fucking-NN really is crazy. People will believe what they want to hear, that is for sure.

Robbie 08-04-2010 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 17388400)
man you are fucking annoying and need to shut the fuck up!

message board warriors! fucking losers! damn experts on a forum, unreal. :1orglaugh

Easy there cherrylula! We're just discussing this. No need to turn it ugly. How is somebody a loser or a message board warrior for simply saying what is all over CNN right now?

Hell, maybe they are all lying about it to help BP...after spending the last 4 months completely demonizing them.

I think the news just reports whatever gets them good ratings at any given moment.

But you are in New Orleans right? So you have been out on the water to see this stuff and are getting first hand reports from actual fishermen and others who make their living on the water there.

Why not hunt down these guys being interviewed on television and ask them what the hell they are talking about?

cherrylula 08-04-2010 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17388403)
Just saying what the fishermen themselves were saying on video to CNN. Maybe the guys they interviewed are really bad fishermen?

so CNN has a video of some guys, okay all is well. Come on now. :upsidedow

cherrylula 08-04-2010 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 17387837)
The oil is not gone, it is just out of site from the air. According to another great report from Rolling Stone, The oil dispercents that BP dumped into the Gulf has made the oil slightly heavier which is causing it to sink a little below the surface. These are the oil plumes you hear so much about. Rush Limbauh is an ill informed fucking idiot who gets crazier every day.

While its true that various microbes will eventually eat and absorb much of the oil, it will take decades for this to happen. The loss of wildlife and devastating ecnonmic impact to that area has only just begun. Rush and the other idiots trying to sweep this terrible disaster under the rug should have their asses thrown in jail.

LOGIC, thank you.

PS. I just saw pictures from yesterday of huge swirls of oil, its far from gone... from the surface maybe but that is it.

cykoe6 08-04-2010 01:42 PM

That damn right wing propaganda outlet the New York Times seems to agree.


Quote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/sc...l.html?_r=1&hp


The government is expected to announce on Wednesday that three-quarters of the oil from the Deepwater Horizon leak has already evaporated, dispersed, been captured or otherwise eliminated ? and that much of the rest is so diluted that it does not seem to pose much additional risk of harm.

A government report finds that about 26 percent of the oil released from BP?s runaway well is still in the water or onshore in a form that could, in principle, cause new problems. But most is light sheen at the ocean surface or in a dispersed form below the surface, and federal scientists believe that it is breaking down rapidly in both places.

On Tuesday, BP began pumping drilling mud into the well in an attempt to seal it for good. Since the flow of oil was stopped with a cap on July 15, people on the Gulf Coast have been wondering if another shoe was going to drop ? a huge underwater glob of oil emerging to damage more shorelines, for instance.

Assuming that the government?s calculations stand scrutiny, that looks increasingly unlikely. ?There?s absolutely no evidence that there?s any significant concentration of oil that?s out there that we haven?t accounted for,? said Jane Lubchenco, head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the lead agency in producing the new report.

Robbie 08-04-2010 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 17388428)
LOGIC, thank you.

PS. I just saw pictures from yesterday of huge swirls of oil, its far from gone... from the surface maybe but that is it.

Hey give us a link to these new pics. I don't want to be misinformed by the media either.

baddog 08-04-2010 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 17388350)
NOT TRUE! Guess what? When the sun goes down, planes have been spraying this dispersant every night trying to get the oil to "disappear." It is a foot thick in the marshes, its NOT almost gone they are just trying to spin it in the media.

BP wants to wrap up the cleaning they are paying for ASAP which right now will still be several weeks, but this thing is capped they want to move on.

All the news is such BS, if you were down here and knew people right in the middle of what is going on you would realize it.

I saw photos just yesterday of huge swirls of oil in the bay. It is far from gone, and will be lingering on here for years and years to come.

It literally sickens my stomach to read the news. What is going on down here is totally different, but everyone here following the news feels the same way. They're getting ready to move on, and so many lives are ruined.

edit: I don't even want to read the idiot comments in this thread. Nobody cares, except the people who lost their livelihood and those down here.

When did 25% become almost all?

cherrylula 08-04-2010 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17388420)
Easy there cherrylula! We're just discussing this. No need to turn it ugly. How is somebody a loser or a message board warrior for simply saying what is all over CNN right now?

Hell, maybe they are all lying about it to help BP...after spending the last 4 months completely demonizing them.

I think the news just reports whatever gets them good ratings at any given moment.

But you are in New Orleans right? So you have been out on the water to see this stuff and are getting first hand reports from actual fishermen and others who make their living on the water there.

Why not hunt down these guys being interviewed on television and ask them what the hell they are talking about?

The news dows report whatever gets them good ratings, and they get press releases and media submitted to them. My husband is out there right now working cleanup and not a single person working with him would say its almost cleaned up. That is laughable.

Really I don't care enough to chase bad stories, even posting here has sucked up my valuable time these days. But it is very frustrating seeing all the family and friends I have down here on facebook crying everyday, posting videos, news stories. Going on and on about how they ate seafood 5-7 days a week, and now BP is telling them to eat chinese food instead because there is no local seafood anymore. NO LOCAL SEA FOOD, I don't know where they get these stories about fisherman going back to work down here.

Anyways this thread really caught me off guard, its fucking scary to see the media machine working like this. And disturbing to see a group of people just go "oh yeah there's a video on CNN, its all ok, yeah disaster wrapping up glad its fixed, yadda yadda."

This disaster ruined lives, its people that don't even really use the internet, these Cajuns down here. But whatever. Let dynamo quote people and tell them he saw the news and they are wrong the disaster is fixed. Such is the interweb and message boards.

Back to the real world.

cherrylula 08-04-2010 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17388452)
When did 25% become almost all?

Its ok baddog, next week there will be only 5% left because all the microbes are so hungry. Right?

25% left is laughable. Its not even cleaned up that much.

Robbie 08-04-2010 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 17388460)
Anyways this thread really caught me off guard, its fucking scary to see the media machine working like this. And disturbing to see a group of people just go "oh yeah there's a video on CNN, its all ok, yeah disaster wrapping up glad its fixed, yadda yadda."

This disaster ruined lives, its people that don't even really use the internet, these Cajuns down here. But whatever. Let dynamo quote people and tell them he saw the news and they are wrong the disaster is fixed. Such is the interweb and message boards.

Back to the real world.

You're absolutely right.

Can you give me a link to the pics you mentioned earlier that you saw just yesterday of oil in the water? And also a link to the website of the local news station which should have what's really going on down there?

cherrylula 08-04-2010 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17388435)
Hey give us a link to these new pics. I don't want to be misinformed by the media either.

honestly I doubt we'll even post anymore pics. Fletch made a page with some but its all such a crazy political clusterfuck its not like he's going to help anything spreading around pics.

word is they're already looking to wrap things up, and its just going to suck so terribly when they up and leave this cleanup. And I can already hear people saying "why don't those Louisiana people shut the fuck up because BP paid them zillions to clean up the oil and all those fishermen should be rich by now."

best to just stick head in sand, who cares, not anything anyone can do against the big corporation and the federal government who is basically BP's PR team right now. Too much money involved in this one! even Obama isn't going to stick it to BP, too much money involved for everyone.

baddog 08-04-2010 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 17388471)
25% left is laughable. Its not even cleaned up that much.

You might want to calm down and try reading it again. That is Not what was posted.

DateDoc 08-04-2010 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17387644)
That's what I was thinking too.

Maybe the microbes that are capable of eating the oil can't live in cold environments?

They can live in cold water but they are more abundant in the Gulf as there is natural oil seepage 365 days a year.

cherrylula 08-04-2010 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17388502)
You might want to calm down and try reading it again. That is Not what was posted.

sorry I am dealing with too much in house to actually focus and read and post, blah blah my bad. looking for some links...

cherrylula 08-04-2010 01:59 PM

here's a video of a town hall meeting that a relative posted on FB:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rzOz2KXdmo8

and can't say I read this site but have seen it recommended:

http://ragingpelican.wordpress.com/

and yeah, the politicians got paid off first no doubt.

ProG 08-04-2010 02:02 PM

Yeah BULLSHIT... Here are satellite images from yesterday.

http://www.cstars.miami.edu/images/j...1196231715.jpg

http://www.cstars.miami.edu/images/j...1250571866.jpg

More

BFT3K 08-04-2010 02:17 PM

If I lived in the Gulf, and I was DIRECTLY effected by this disaster, I would be taking my own pics, shooting my own video, and posting this EVERY DAY on a dedicated Youtube channel and/or website/blog of my own.

I would do my best to make sure this is not swept away by BP and/or the biased news outlets.

That would make sense to me, but hey, what do I know? Maybe it is just easier to bitch about it all instead?

dyna mo 08-04-2010 02:27 PM

poor poor cherrylula.

mynameisjim 08-04-2010 02:28 PM

Wait a year or two when the reports of oil causing problems on the sea floor start popping up. Or maybe how every tropical storm for the next 5 years brings in new oil.

Nobody knows what happened yet. But I'm going to enjoy the positive news reports now just like everybody else.

dyna mo 08-04-2010 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 17388510)
sorry I am dealing with too much in house to actually focus and read and post, blah blah my bad. looking for some links...

then you might want to lighten up, although i'd be happy to put my respectful nature on pause if you choose to go off on me again.


2c

pornstar2fag 08-04-2010 02:33 PM

conservative fags!

baddog 08-04-2010 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProG (Post 17388541)

That disproves that 25% of the spill is gone, how?

ProG 08-04-2010 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17388714)
That disproves that 25% of the spill is gone, how?

You mean it has been proven? Where?

baddog 08-04-2010 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProG (Post 17388727)
You mean it has been proven? Where?

What exactly was the point of your post?

dyna mo 08-04-2010 02:41 PM

i'd trust a gfy wannabe drama queen like cherrylula way before the National Oceanic and atmospheric Administration.
yeah, the NOAA is a government org so it's obviously in on the conspiracy that the oil is not gone.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...%2083final.pdf

mynameisjim 08-04-2010 02:42 PM

The news just reports the "vibe" of the moment, not real facts.

So at first the spill was described as apocalyptic because that's how it looked. Now they swung the other direction and are saying the oil somehow magically disappeared even though other spill locations still have oil residue.

The truth is in the middle somewhere. This wasn't an apocalyptic natural disaster, but it was a HUGE spill that will have lasting effects for years to come in the gulf.

Not sure why people follow the ups and downs on 24 hour news channels which do about 20 minutes of research before putting a story on the air.

_Richard_ 08-04-2010 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17387629)
i don't see how its possible really when there are still remnants from the exxon valdez spill 20 years later

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0414111018.htm

all the oil spills in that region have caused an increase to the microbes that are doing the eating from my understanding

nature is cool

dyna mo 08-04-2010 02:46 PM

everybody, turn off your news and get your facts from gfy, the leader in accurate infos.

_Richard_ 08-04-2010 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17388779)
everybody, turn off your news and get your facts from gfy, the leader in accurate infos.

no way, everyone should read more.. more info that everyone pools together from the different corners means we have an easier time sifting out the bs

directfiesta 08-04-2010 04:08 PM

U.S. Congressman: WikiLeaks Whistleblower Should Be Executed
 
wow !!!!

Quote:



Howell, MI, United States (AHN) - U.S. Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) believes execution would be a suitable punishment for Private Bradley Manning in the wake of charges that he aided in leaking classified military documents to the whistleblower website WikiLeaks.


Rogers who sits on the House Intelligence Committee made the announcement on Michigan-based radio station WHMI on Monday.


"I argue the death penalty clearly should be considered here," explained Rogers. "He clearly aided the enemy to what may result in the death of U.S. soldiers or those cooperating. If that is not a capital offense, I don't know what is."

Manning is currently awaiting a possible trial and is being in solitary confinement at the Quantico Marine Corps Base in Virginia.

Manning is charged with the unauthorized access of and subsequently leaking of classified military information, namely the video that Wikileaks released under the title ?Collateral Murder

Amazing how pro-lifers can be for death ....

.. and I wonder where these guys were during the Valerie Plame " affair " ...

_Richard_ 08-04-2010 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17389531)
wow !!!!



Amazing how pro-lifers can be for death ....

.. and I wonder where these guys were during the Valerie Plame " affair " ...

who'd have thought america would be the place they jail and execute american heros

directfiesta 08-04-2010 04:27 PM

lol ... scewed up doing a new thread ... it is still an oily subject

icymelon 08-04-2010 04:38 PM

Limbaugh is never right. they dumped millions of gallons of chemicals lets see what that causes

Robbie 08-04-2010 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icymelon (Post 17389789)
they dumped millions of gallons of chemicals lets see what that causes

That's what I thought too when they did it.
But now I'm open to the thought that maybe, just maybe...the scientists and guys who actually work in the oil business might know a little more about how that stuff works than I do.

Just sayin' I'm open to the idea. Not saying that I am going to give the top people in their fields ANY consideration over my own GFY smarts or the findings of GFY scientists.

It has been proven over and over again that we here on GFY are stupi...er, I mean SMARTER than any so-called "scientists" or people with actual experience in a field.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


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