The proof is in the resulting laws. I am not speculating that more and more states are banning civil unions.

I bet these fools wouldn't be talking about the constitution had the overwhelming majority voted for gay marriage, and the judge struck it down. The irony of all the stupidity.

personally i see nothing wrong with multiple wives/husbands as long as its all consentual. the other things you listed, are not consentual relationships. so yeah...HUGE difference there.

This was a case that did go before a judge. When you get sued, you usually put up a defense and call witnesses right? Well the Prop 8 supporters didn't really put one on. Their fault. :thumbsup

Yeah 7 million voters coerced by Mormon big bucks and vaguely written text. I feel a song coming on..."If I was a rich man....".

Nothing was removed. Things were clarified.

BTW, thank Coca-Cola® for creating Santa Claus and that great "tradition".
And I am sure you believe in Santa Claus as well.

Another hilarious rationalization. You just asserted that 7 million people voted one way because they were Mormon. Can you be any more in denial?

Obviously you have a problem reading. I didn't say they were Mormon. However, the whole initiative was primarily Mormon lead, with the support of the Roman Catholic Church, and evangelical fundamentalists.

But I guess it's ok for THESE minority groups to lead a campaign of hate and fear.

And the only thing gay people wish is to be able to love one another just the same as anyone else.

Now it's primarily? Woohoo backpeddling! Yea, hate and fear. That's it. Liberals love taking their stupidity to the extreme. We don't support same sex marriages, therefore we hate!!!

And your last statement was the dumbest of all. If the only thing gay people wanted was to love one another, then marriage or unions wouldn't even be in their discussions. Gay people want recognization of a legal couple, not love.

not about other states, it's about California
I don't either, but this is about gay marriage
They sucked on that, I agree, don't make it right
First off,
37.8 million against, 35.8 million support
more money was spent on the defeat of prop 8 and they got the teachers union on board to state that gay marriage would not be taught in the classroom, when it said right on their official website that marriage was taught in the classroom. "THEY LIED"

Are you saying that the Mormon's don't have the right to get involved?

The Sunblom Santa was a depiction of the modern day Santa, Santa has been around for a long time, A lot longer than Coca Cola. The tradition is not that all believe in him, but his spirit, like telling your kids about Santa. If you don't tell your kids stories, then your kids are missing out on being a kid, or are you just a scrooge?

"recognization"? ROTFL Better check your Funk and Wagnalls. OR do you like to show off with big made up words?

But it seems your synapses have a bit of a "twist" in them....or is that a lack of gray matter?
Please don't twist my words.

If America is all about equality that's what gay people want....why should it be anything less?

queer judges????

Ok then allow polygamy, hell while we are at it just legalize prostitution everywhere! Legalize abortion of course, lets just give anyone who makes a choice to be a certain way that freedom to be that certain way, if a 12 year old consents to sex with a 30 year old man it shouldnt be outlawed because that isnt equality, you are basing her by her age.

Its ok for you people to compare the civil rights movement with this homosexual equivalent of playing the race card then you better take your medicine across the board of equality.

I don't care...

If a civil union had the same protections and benefits as a marriage, then it would be about a title, not about equality

So I take it you're 30?

42.... but well played. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

No because no one has a monopoly on the word "marriage"....like no one has with the word "freedom". Remember slavery was banned years ago. And white people no longer have the monopoly on "freedom".

i take it you never graduated high school?

Anyone over legal age can get married, just to the opposite sex

Black people don't have a monopoly on slavery, more white people have been slaves

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Recognization

Please go back to school.

Then what is the point? You don't want gay people to begrime the word "marriage"?

Actually, we fought for simple civil unions in the '90's and got nowhere except in a few states.

Even during the gay marriage fight, leadership debated heavily on civil unions vs. marriage, as everyone figured that getting civil unions would be so much easier.

The general consensus ended up being that if people were fighting us so hard that we are going to go for all or nothing.

They should have given us what we wanted in the first place; all of the rights without the title. The people against gay marriage really have no one to blame except themselves. Collectively, we would have been happy being second class citizens in the 90's.

you are sooooooooo gay...

Not begrime, I don't want them to change the meaning of it to suite them

Yes, and this is a great way to get people to have tolerance, go into the most liberal state in the union, have them vote on it TWICE, both times the people voted to not let gays and lesbians change the meaning of the word marriage, then get a openly gay judge to overturn them. [sarcasm]

This makes about as much sense and the NAACP, which was started by 3 white guys, openly call the Tea Party Movement Racist.

Civil unions should be expanded in the state of California to include all the same principals that marriage does, but under a different title, that would get passed and there wouldn't be this big fight. It's better to get tolerance. Forcing it the way they are doing is not the best way to go about it

well at least it isn't in a butt like the guy saying gays are fudge packers. :Oh crap

You go back to school...the word is ancient. As ancient as your arguments.

Those that expound upon "tradition" take heed:

In her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant
Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus
18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.

The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, written by a US man,
and posted on the Internet:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of
debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other
elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how
do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there
'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room
here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments
made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also
tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go
to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?
Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family
affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan.

James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus,
Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education
University of Virginia PS (It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a
Canadian)

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OOOO good one. So if I dismantled your arguments, and my arguments are ancient(witty retort), what does that say about your intelligence? :)

so that is suppose to make gay marriage ok? :helpme :1orglaugh

i blame Satan

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brilliant!

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Probably another Mormon from Utah. (Notice the BYU hat)

Gotta love stupid people who try to take the bible literally and ignore the implications of the current times, just to try and prove that the bible somehow causes harm. I mean if that guy was educated, it would be somewhat funny. But the way the guy phrased everything and only interpreted the barebones literal definition, he just looks like an uneducated jackass. Good attempt though I suppose. Definitely funny for us to read.

Can you properly interpret the quotes he cited for us?

Aside from the fact that that's a general Christian translation of the Old Testament and not the Torah which Dr. Laura follows? That's the beauty of psuedointellectual professors. Ignorant as hell.

Well, first you said the problem is that he interpreted the quotes wrong and when I asked you to interpret them for us correctly you countered by saying he should be using Torah quotes. You are dancing around a direct question again.

It seems to me that you can't rationalize a lot of the beliefs you had pushed in your head as a kid. Dodging questions and calling people idiots says to me you do not have answers even for yourself.

post the corresponding torah quotes then. we will compare.

Weird, I never danced around the question the first time. Is this your defense mechanism? And I said he interpreted the quotes literally from a King James version of the Old Testament, which means he's ignorant because he didn't actually research anything he typed out.

It seems to me you have something scripted to say about certain types of people. For instance, if one is religious, he MUST be brainwashed. One can make the exact same argument for your set of beliefs, but I wouldn't want to put myself in the company of the ignorant such as yourself. Also, I don't recall dodging questions AND calling people idiots, you must be referring to someone else. Or it's entirely possible that you can't create nor refute an argument, so you have to unleash the beauty known as the strawman.

And for the quotes and their meanings, it would take a few hours and I'll gladly indulge you tomorrow or another day.

Not "we", I will do it for Ether because he has somewhat earned my respect for not being a complete buffoon. You on the other hand, have a hard time reading, so I wouldn't introduce something as complicated as the bible to you. I don't want your head exploding.

just do it retard.

Sorry, I don't recognize the text of a buffoon:) This is where you tell me I didn't offer proof for my argument, further proving your hypocrisy and stupidity. I'll get to it with Ether tomorrow.

For bible thumpers, this may work as tradition, but as I have stated before, I'm not religious. The bible can be used to point out anything in your favor and I don't give your argument on tradition any weight.
I speak of real world tradition

Marriage brings one into fatal connection with custom and tradition, and traditions and customs are like the wind and weather, altogether incalculable.

Here's the problem Vendzilla, we all claim that it has nothing to do with religion. But liberals, the morons that they are, need some kind of justification to suit their insecurities, so they call everyone who disagrees with same sex marriage, bible thumpers. I guess the majority of America are bible thumpers then!

Most current. Your's still ancient.