We are talking about the healthy people because if your sick and had no insurance because no one would cover you.Now you would be grateful. They get treated and then we all pay because they didn't want to buy insurance. What about the rights of the people having to pay more because of people that decided not to have insurance and couldnt pay the bill?
As far as gay marriage its funny smaller government is screamed but they want the government to make a law to stop two people who want to get married and whose actions don't effect these peoples lives one way or another.

Against. Marriage is between a man and a woman.

Though, call it a civil union or whatever and give them the same protections and legal rights.

I think I need to get me a wife...

They are so much more useful.


Sabby:)

...or a blip in the Matrix....

"hey, so I hear you got married!"

"well, sort of...I got civil union..ed."

[QUOTE=NetHorse;17403588]

I feel homosexuality is wrong/QUOTE]


This thread is a brilliant way to build up a list of people I don't want to do business with.

I am in favour. I studied also Canadian codes. In the Canadian Income Tax code, spouses can be recorded as male+male or female+male or female+female.

I think they can do it as long as they don't bother anyone else.

Some people say marriage is done for purpose of raising children.

It is possible to adopt a child or take a child from an orphanage.

why cant it be called something else gay marriage = partnering,gay union

[QUOTE=DamianJ;17404519]You don't want to do business because people have different ideals than you and can back them up? You must get no business then.

That's fine with me. You don't want to do business with people because of their opinion on a highly controversial topic? Okay. :) That's a brilliant way to show your professionalism.

I'm not going to get into the debate, but I feel it IS wrong. However, like I said I don't show hatred nor do I express it towards any homosexuals. Just because I personally feel it's wrong doesn't mean I'm going to standout on the side of the road with a sign debasing homosexuals.

As for this thread is concerned, I'm indifferent. They can do as they please as long as it doesn't involve me, it doesn't bother me in the least bit. I think the morons fighting against gay marriage are fighting a useless battle, just let them be.

WOW, you got this a little backwards, it's the gay community that wants to change the law, it's the gay community that wants to change the meaning of the title Marriage.

Prop 8 was a vote from 2 years ago, the gay community is the one that's using a gay judge to get their way and change that vote.

And as far as a smaller government, we can't afford the one we have and if we loose our right to vote to SPECIAL INTEREST judges, then this is a system that's not working on two counts

So what's the name of the bride?
You mean the groom?
Wait, wouldn't you be the groom?

I feel homosexuality is wrong. but I dont care..

Against.

If a straight judge finds otherwise upon appeal is it valid for the gay community to discount his decision because he's straight?

[QUOTE=The Demon;17404546]I don't want to do business with anyone who posts saying they think homosexuality is wrong.

I'm not taking on new clients at the moment because I am too busy.

Thanks for your interest though, appreciated.

It would be a start, that judge was biased and should have stepped down from the case

[QUOTE=DamianJ;17404717]Again, that's plain stupid and I can totally understand if you don't get any clients at all by your simplistic understanding of business vs. personal..

"conflict of interest" do you understand that? hes gay at the center of the gay. using center and gay in the same sentence. :uhoh

Remember, there are no shotgun weddings in the gay community.

Food for thought.

Always liked you but why do you care so much when you hetreos can marry anywhere and make a mockery out of marriage... and still use the word marriage..If you think I don't deserve the word marriage I say stop the reality shows about marriage, stop Vegas Marriages, stop Britney Spears likes and make them all civil unions

Couldn't say it better https://youtube.com/watch?v=dP_AGLI2FBM

There's the dictionary meaning of the world 'marriage' and then there's the real-world meaning. What with today's drive thru weddings and 5 minute faux chappel weddings and the like, the only thing quicker than the quickie wedding is the quickie divorce. Fact is the word all but lost all meaning a long time ago at the hands of us heteros.

And, can 7 million people be wrong? Absolutely.

Admittedly I'm more ambivalent about the issue than anything, but if pressed I'd have to say let them have their damn weddings already.

um im thinking that's because there can't be children made with gay sex. :2 cents:

:2 cents:

For this reason I am against same sex relationships being defined as marriage, as I think it is dishonest to the terminology.

Against Same Sex Marriage - The Six Point Case

1.Natural marriage is the foundation of a civilized society.

2.Homosexual behavior is inherently destructive.

3.The law is a great teacher, and it encourages or discourages behavior.

4.Government-backed same-sex marriage would encourage and normalize homosexual behavior, and it would harm natural marriage, children, adults, and homosexuals themselves.

5.The law should promote behaviors that are beneficial and prohibit (or at least not endorse) those that are destructive.

6.Therefore, the law should promote natural marriage, and it should provide no option for government-backed same-sex marriage or civil unions.

I think this aspect of it really brings up some of the problems with healthcare in America. When you go to the hospital, you are not the customer; your insurer is the customer. So they will be happy to treat you like a prisoner and tell you who you can associate with and when. Do some medical tourism in Thailand and they are happy to upsell you a four star hotel room with your loved ones in it and a 24/7 nursing team if you want it and the whole thing will still cost less than in the US.

Re: the original topic, I don't think the government gets a say in marriage, only in civil unions period. Unfortunately, the government has been using the word marriage in laws for long enough that there is not really any way to stop it simply now. I'm genuinely baffled as to how anyone can oppose someone else's right to marry. I truly believe future generations will look at this the way current ones view the old miscegenation laws.

My wurd yur swift. :D

I've read this before, or at least something very similar, and find it to be incredibly off base on so many points it's beyond stupid. Collectively the six points imply that "normal" people would be more tempted to "go gay" if the law were to legitimize gay behaviour by allowing same sex marriages. That's of course utterly boneheaded. It also, in point 4, basically says denying them a basic human right is for their own good. Again, pure bunk born of ignorance.

Allowing same sex marriage would not increase the gay population in any way. It wouldn't entice anyone to "go gay" who doesn't already have such tendencies. In fact to go with the above six is to basically say you believe gay people to be of a lesser quality human than yourself. Call me crazy but it sounds kind of bigoted to me.

Being gay is destructive to society? I don't see how. They've been around for thousands of years, pretty much as long as heteros have, give or take. I don't recall any societal collapse in history that was directly related to gays or their so-called destructive effect on humanity. In light of all that the six points come off as paranoid propaganda.

Therefore I must conclude the author of "the six" to be a narrrow-minded homophobe in the truest sense of the term. His or her reasoning is about as far from sound as it gets.

really? how so?

I know I have been waiting for same sex marriage so I can be gay! So exciting!

On that note, I also can't wait for the speed limit to be raised so I can drive faster...oh oh and for drugs to be legalized so I can try them...and...and...

number 4. Same sex marriage would harm homosexuals? Interesting idea...

I would think that if you believe that marriage is the foundation of a civilized society then wouldn't divorce be the greatest threat? Rather than try and NOT allow same sex marriage, shouldn't you be trying to get rid of divorce?

I am against same sex marriage.
No wait, I am against marriage.

Both should be illegal.

People of all walks of life should only be together for 2 years max

even Glenn Beck thinks gay marriage is ok

"Do you believe gay marriage is a threat to the country in any way?" O'Reilly asked.

"A threat to the country? No, I don't," Beck said, laughing, adding mockingly, "Will the gays come and get us?"

Beck quoted Thomas Jefferson: "If it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket, what difference is it to me?"

My feelings exactly.

I am of the mindset that the heart wants what it wants and if it is male/male, female/male, female/female, who am I to say that someone's heart is wrong. Who they share their time and bed with is of no business of mine.

The only thing, and I mean the only thing I have ever had issues with is the public displays, but I don't want to see that with a male/female relationship either. I have always had small children and I prefer not to have to explain that...... but I tell my kids and anyone else, what they do in their own homes behind closed doors is totally their business.

And if they want to get married, they should be allowed that, I mean, come on..... what business is it of mine, really? No one decided who I married and I shouldn't decide who anyone else marries..... not my business.

There are FAR more important things we should be concerned with than what gender is marrying what other gender, that just sounded silly typing it. LOL

If you think about it that might be a great idea. With so many people getting divorced in the U.S. within the first two years of marriage maybe there should be some type of renewable contract where either or both parties can just walk away after the two year "trial" period is up.

Lawyers probably wouldn't like that concept though as I am sure they makes millions every year in divorce court :pimp

Live and Let Live!:thumbsup

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A marriage means a husband and a wife, so it does redefine what the word means to have two men, who is the wife?!

[QUOTE=The Demon;17404744]Again, I have so many clients I am refusing any new ones at the moment. None of them are homophobic.

I cannot handle any more business.

Thanks for your feedback and business advice though. I'm TOTALLY sure it is invaluable.