Whales stick with the people they can communicate best and also have a good reputation.
I give my cell number to all whales, and even smaller fish. I'm available 24/7. Because if they aren't making money, I'm not making money.

It's a win-win for everyone.

Someone had to be the foil to your outrageous persona! Good times!

I think you should tell everyone about the dynamic shaving module that certain programs used back in the day. It was so evil, that even Nickatilynx shuddered at the thought of it.

Cyberage Dave...I hear you ran adult check?

Thanks mate.

you made me my first millions LOL

I invented "the AVS Trick" ;-))

Which was..1997ish...built 1000s of Adultcheck and eventually other AVS sites so that they would be added to yr members linklists.

"" How can i get added to a list that is only seen by people that have used a CC to buy porn online already?""

At one point I had about 40% of all yr links in various fake names ;)

Hardly ever got a sale to Adult check , but the upsells to pinkbits and serge made me fortunes LOL

;-))

icq? :)

sure....

Spreading your shit around never really amounts to any thing except paying the bills and some extras.

20 sales a day means shit to a rep unless its all theirs so hence a life in the shadows.

and thank you Age Check aka CyberAge is still paying on time.

Who here is willing to quantify "lots" more and come out with an estimated number?

I mean, even if not number of whales, but how many true affiliate joins do you all think are still out there? 20000 a day? 50000 a day?

Not counting non affiliate traffic sources like ad buys, type ins and such of course...

I am curious what you all think the market is really like today...a

Before you make an estimate, think about the revenue implication... 20000 a day means roughly 1m a day in affiliate revenue at a 50 member value which I think is fair... Possibly a little high for some and a little low for others... That's 30m a month, 360m a year in pure revenue generated by affiliates... Is that a feasible number? Or is it the 50000 which would translate into 900m a year in pure revenue generated by affiliates...

Curious to see what you all think...

Second step of course.. Are most of these really spread over a bunch of programs? Or is the main chunk connected to a handful?

I have my own opinion of course, but I would like to hear from others first...

Anthony...remember our first convo?????


""Hey Alove whatsup...I am just wandering through a building here I think I'll buy.

Two seconds mate..got a dance coming on me...be right there...thats better...

Lets meet in Vegas mate , you've got the gay looks , I've got the brains...lets make lots of money"

;-)))

I have no recollection of those events. And if I did, I cannot confirm nor deny them.

Oh, and next time you see your brother, please punch him in the face for taking the term mule to heart. Thank you. :)

I shall.

LOL

sorry that quote made me remember when I used to have to ask people to wait cause I felt i needed to dance a few steps!!!

Jesus I had forgotten how umm "eccentric" I was then ;-))

No. I do not want to see "Something Nice".

Oh I still do that....

:)

nathan,

they are still around..look only me and RichC surfaced...most stay low , happy with the deals they have... I would say there may be 100 webmasters able to send 100 joins a day..no problem.

Back in the day...

Everyone was on Netpenis.Maybe 20 whales a day would post and every major program owner posted there.

It made whale hunting easy.And whales got to know the program owners themselves and build a relationship.Very key if 5k a day plus is changing hands...

Dumbest thing I ever did then was I started paying people to post on Netpenis.

Program owners had got to the point where they were more impressed by quantity of posters rather than quality of posters. So the more impressions i got the more i could charge in advertising ;)

It watered down the webmaster traffic basically.

The Webmaster soup if you will had more water in it then meat and veg. Back then there was only YNIT and netpenis.

When me and meat and aga started fighting it allowed lensman to get a foothold here and opran0 opened then jbm splintered away from it..yadda yadda yadda...

By 2006 every bastard and his brother had there own webmaster board. LOL

The whales are out there still , they really just do not have anywhere to post.

I have posted more in the last two days than in the last yr.

It doesn't really pay me to post anymore.

I think a lot of oldschoolers would agree...

Why post? anyone I want to do business with I know or my mate does ...

Well said Nick....

As the cool kids say: word :)

I wonder if there are any whales left that actually send traffic that converts into a hundred sales a day as opposed to just selling x-sales. Those are the guys I think of as whales. Real affiliates doing it. Are there any big free sites that could do that anymore? Or is it all just paysites sending x-sell joins to other paysites?

Can somebody name one big free site left that can do that since piracy, tubes, and filesharing & bit torrent sites took over? :)

X sales are pretty much dead Robbie. That boat has come and gone.

I was talking 100 orgainic joins , self generated....however the individual webmaster generates them.

But yeah Good point.....

I would guess no traditional free site could get close to 50 orgainic actual joins.
Prolly very few can do 20.

question: what attracts a whale to a program or site to promote? :eek7

30+ freesites out there that can easily do 50+ a day :thumbsup

Really? Back a few years ago there were only a few of us that had that kind of juice. So you're saying that NOW with everybodies traffic gone to pornhub, redtube, youporn, etc. that there is still an honest free site that can send that many? Damn.

You must know something that I don't. I'm looking at the freesites that still have the most traffic left...and I'm not sure that any of them could send 50+ sales in a day like it used to be.

I suppose a site that still has traffic like the hun might could send 50+ TRIALS if it was super pushed. But not with any consistency. I would imagine it would die down after a day or two. But that's just my thoughts, I have absolutely nothing but my own experience to back it up.

I'm guessing you are seeing stats to some of hahaha's sites that back it up. Me? Well, my biggest affiliates when I opened up Claudia-Marie.Com WERE sending me 30+ a day. Now? Those same sites have 1/20th the traffic they used to have (again, everybody is watching full length vids at pornhub instead of coming to our freesites) and they are lucky to send 30 joins in 6 months.

I'm talking FULL joins by the way. Not trials.

We are making an absolute killing on type-ins and search engine traffic that I've built up through branding and busting ass. But our affiliates don't account for hardly any sales anymore.

It's not their fault...they are in the same boat I'm in as an affiliate. My traffic is all over at the full length scene tubesites these days. :(

Traditional free sites? Not tubes? I'd think they went the way of the dodo bird.

I'd be shocked to see 50+ real organic joins coming from anywhere these days. Maybe trial joins, but full joins? I just don't know how they would do that. Most of the big search terms are already taken by the big tube sites. And the small niches, can they even do a hundred a day ever?

And if you could somehow pull off a hundred joins organically with no x-sell joins involved...how many days could that possibly last in this day and age before the people buying memberships starts to drop off?

And if it's really happening out there "secretly" and under the radar...then why is everybody so hurting for money? Shouldn't all the programs be living it up high on the hog with their super secret mystery whales keeping the money flowing like it's 1999?

Just asking. It just don't all add up from where I'm at here. I know, I know....somebody is going to say in a tone that insinuates they know some super secret info that us mortals don't have, that there are huge whales out there just killing it with mysterious search engine keywords that somehow eluded everybody else.

I suppose so. But in my experience...that just isn't the case. And as I look at the companies going out of business and the rest of them cutting staff and lowering operating costs in every way just trying to survive these times...it doesn't make any sense.

Not saying it ain't true. But I don't see how. And I'm pretty clever and know how to make money...but these top secret affiliates sending millions of dollars a year in sales just doesn't quite fit in with the decline in revenue of most paysites out there who have been pirated almost out of business.

But if it is true...could one of you mystery whales at least help me to understand where you find these people who don't already know the site you're selling already has the members area ripped for free waiting for them all wrapped up nice and easy to download and linked up on the biggest porn surfer forums in the world. Cause I can't even talk to a stranger anymore and mention I'm in porn without them saying: "Isn't that all free now?"

Bump for an interesting conversation...

i will get all top spots that tubes sites are holding now, and send you 100+ joins a day, maybe :)

Nick,

I agree that they have no place to post anymore or no need to.. But I just do not see any program or sites that is getting any big number of joins from whales, if there were these sites you would think you stumble across them...
That is why I was wondering where these minimum
10000 joins a day are going too... If they are scattered all over the place I could believe it, but if they are to a few specific programs then it's strange to...

You basically hinted that you think the whales just have a few friends they rely on to send the traffic to out of trust and past relationship... So it can not be to so many different targets?

There are only very few programs that I have seen or talked to in the past 3 years which are big in sales (as in 1000+ a day) let alone big in affiliate joins... So either all these joins are going to a handful of known programs I have not seen yet, or to basically hidden ones that are hush hush somehow..

What it comes down to is that I would obviously like to understand what I can do to get my hands on a good chunk of those 10000 joins, wherever they are...

Yea I remember that text from NicksClicks. I was gonna promote It back in the day but you told me certain things that made me change my mind :winkwink:

very true


i emailed you with no response so i guess i dont get your cell number

:1orglaugh

Wow, how poetic and insightful...:1orglaugh

Who's the girl in your pic mang? She banging.

what he said

i have 2 guys who send 100 joins each a day on avg to 1 program

then 10-20 to sevearl others.

i have 3 smaller guys 20-40 a day to one program

I miss the old days of netpenis. that was a REAL board.

Thought i knew everything back then. fact was i knew nothing :1orglaugh

MONEY

the bottom line is the only thing that matters to a whale.

your not looking hard enough

i know several i deal with taking that volume of sales from whales

one hundred and fiddy monsters of the sea

todd hit me up =)))

I know you have to keep it on the downlow so you don't lose your clients to somebody else...but again, I have to ask: Are there any actual REAL affiliates with freesites like we were for over a decade that can still send honest traffic to a paysite and have 50 + people decide of their own free will to join that paysite?

That's a real whale in my experience. And I ain't talking about "Free joins" or trials that are gonna get monetized via x-sells (and yes, people are still doing x-sells), I'm talking about the old fashioned notion that a guy sees an ad for a paysite, clicks that ad, checks out the tour and buys a membership.

From what I have seen over the last couple of years with piracy the ratios are HIGH these days. It's not unusual to send 2,000 uniques of real surfers who clicked on a link with the intention of checking out a paysite and only get 1 sale.

So let's say your whales are converting like that. That would mean they are sending 200,000 UNIQUES a day to a single paysite and all of it is perfectly targeted traffic.

So now I would say...tell me like I'm in first grade, how anybody is doing that when nobody has traffic left anymore unless your name is "pornhub"?

I just can't see how they are doing it in a way that is honest and consists of actual people intending to join a site. And I'm pretty clever and quick with making money.

So if somebody could just give me a clue...just a small clue, instead of the mysterious: "Oh they are out there...muahahahahaha" as to how they can do all these sales when they don't have that kind of traffic....I'd like to know.

I don't think people realize how many joins are generated via mail still... Some guys in this thread assume the whales run TGPs.

I don't know how obvious I can be, I already mentioned, Class C's, Script, and Lists.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/busi...rce/bus61.shtm

Okay, first off...as I mentioned earlier...the search engine terms are already taken by pornhub for the biggies.

The truly niched out keywords might still be there...but are they going to produce 100 sales EVERY day in this world of people NOT buying porn because it's already free?

And "script". Well that can mean anything. Not much of it necessarily meaning honest traffic.

Lists....I guess you mean emailing. Sounds good. But again...how do you get 100 sales EVERY DAY to a single sponsor in this age of piracy and free content everywhere?
It better be the greatest email of all times and one that somehow made it through the spam filter.

Honestly, I'd say those three things would have kicked ass and worked like a charm 2 to 3 years ago. But today? Man, I don't know. I'm not gonna sit here and pontificate too much, because if somebody is pulling that off then they would know.

But I know a little bit about traffic and making real sales...and I'm just skeptical.

And again...if there are 30 whales or more running around sending 100 sales a day to different programs on top of all the other sales these programs are making...then why is it that every paysite owner I know is trying to ride out the storm?

Why aren't they flying in to shows in private jets anymore and throwing big sponsored parties? Heck the shows are a cemetery these days, and right here on GFY there are threads everyday with another program shutting down, another guy looking for work who has been let go from a company he worked for for 10 years, and another studio cutting back on production.

Just don't add up.

UNLESS... you guys went behind my back, and created a secret porn industry without telling me about it. One that is kicking ass and everybody is killing it.

Damn y'all!!! Now somebody give me the secret code so I can get in. I know it was funny laughing at me, but the joke's over. :1orglaugh

Robbie ,

Hit me up on icq or skype sometime always happy to chat :)

I will buddy. I'm about to break down lighting and camera gear and head to a shoot location and set it all back up again to film a scene for the paysite side of my business, so I'll be out working in the field all day. But here is my ICQ 623327

Feel free to add yourself anytime. I don't want to impose on you so just do it at your convenience. :) And let me know it's you when you add me. I get people all the time adding me and saying "hey what's up" And I don't have a clue who they are! LOL!

You never heard of the Australian Porn Mafia? Or the Canadian Porn Triad? :)

Call Nick, he'll open up your eyes.

that stinks