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The Demon 08-12-2010 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17410257)
This is what all the communists say... they want to do the thinking for you and ignore any truths. Take your communist traitor thoughts back to the mother land! :GFYBand
I rest my case.

Brujah 08-12-2010 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 17409637)
I bet the owner of dirtyscottsdale.com is loving the added type-in traffic.
Ben Quayle = Kbizzle

Amputate Your Head 08-12-2010 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17410266)
I rest my case.
Good job Matlock. :1orglaugh

BettingHandle 08-12-2010 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17409461)
Is the guy blaming Obama for the Mexican Cartels? Haha.. come on now. And a Tax cartel? What taxes did Obama introduce?

Wow this man can feed the brain dead sheep like no other... just look a them all taking a bite in this thread.
Mexico is not part of the US and these drug cartel problems did not exist before Obama got into office? :helpme

dirtymind 08-12-2010 10:57 AM
he just gave a new mean to the word stupid

TheDoc 08-12-2010 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JuicyBiz (Post 17410311)
Mexico is not part of the US and these drug cartel problems did not exist before Obama got into office? :helpme
Exactly! But it seems only some people get that :(

marketsmart 08-12-2010 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17410217)
Sheep mentality defines the liberals. No need to think, ever.
and the teabaggers are a real brain trust.... :1orglaugh

you claim to be so smart yet you continue to play the right side vs the left side game....

just like all the other ignorant dems and republicans, you lose focus on the issues by constantly trying to blame the other side..

i dont think i have seen you offer any solutions to the problems...

do you have any?



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The Demon 08-12-2010 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 17410453)
and the teabaggers are a real brain trust.... :1orglaugh

you claim to be so smart yet you continue to play the right side vs the left side game....

just like all the other ignorant dems and republicans, you lose focus on the issues by constantly trying to blame the other side..

i dont think i have seen you offer any solutions to the problems...

do you have any?



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Well, there are those who believe it's the right against the left, and then there are those who think it's one giant conspiracy(morons). I prefer to stick with the former because to some extent, it's true. And I've offered plenty of economic solutions to our current crisis many times on this forum. Learn to search.

Vendzilla 08-12-2010 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17410244)
Of course it didn't increase because of his healthcare bill... no part of the bill could have possibly increased healthcare costs yet.
He promised it would go down, thats why he said the healthcare bill HAD to be passed


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Even though he continued the polices that allows growth in border patrol and more guard on actual duty than ever before and more federal arrests, etc. Basically the largest beef up on the border in history and he's not doing anything?

You ignore the constitution when it benefits you? Agree with the law or not, he's correct.
Yeah let's forget how he brought the President of Mexico in before the senate to bad mouth the American people


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The majority are racists. I've hung around my family in Texas, I've talked to people in the bars... They have no issue saying what they think and it's damn sure racist until a black man or camera comes around. That isn't to say the NAACP isn't racists.
This I agree with, but it's got worse, have you read Obamas's book? I've read some it, scary



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You can't take the total set aside and divide it by the jobs, it only works that way if you ignore every possible factor of what the was spent on within the economy. Cash for clunkers was to replace shit cars, it did that.

They still do home mortgages? Had no idea.
So you're saying the recovery act that was passed to generate jobs generated more jobs than the site says? Cash for clunkers was to boost the auto industry and the government now owns 80% of Fannie and Freddie I think

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Oh my, double talk from a politician? Oh shit that makes him the worst president, eva!
Double talk, no, LIES

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What in the hell does this mater? How in hell does this make him the worst president vs. one that sounds like a bumbling idiot, whom was also reading from a teleprompter.
you mean like stating there are 57 states in the union, not counting Alaska and Hawaii?

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So you would rather the Gov tell a corporation what to do now? Wouldn't that be an issue for you if he did that? Even though he did later correct the problem, but I guess we can ignore that.
when we bail out a company, YES

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Transparency? You had time to read it and he couldn't change it, and you bitch?


you think he read the healthcare bill after pelosi said we will know what's in the bill AFTER it's passed? It was fucking arrogant of him to vacation after pushing it so hard for others to pass it

Tom_PM 08-12-2010 11:41 AM
It's not the right versus the left. ONLY people who think that, behave that way. I rest my case.

cykoe6 08-12-2010 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Ultra Webmasters (Post 17409157)
[IMG]Barack Obama is the worst president in history.

I am tempted to agree.......... but we will need to get to some historical perspective to see if the damage he is causing is temporary (like a Jimmy Carter) or if the damage is permanent before we can accurately decide his place in history. The only thing that is not in dispute is that his presidency is an unmitigated catastrophe. :Oh crap

Vendzilla 08-12-2010 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 17410453)
and the teabaggers are a real brain trust.... :1orglaugh

you claim to be so smart yet you continue to play the right side vs the left side game....

just like all the other ignorant dems and republicans, you lose focus on the issues by constantly trying to blame the other side..

i dont think i have seen you offer any solutions to the problems...

do you have any?



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People keep putting down the Tea Party and Sarah Palin
Funny thing is that out of 17, 10 of the people Palin endorsed won the election
What's Obama's score card?
Tea Party is doing better than Obama too

dyna mo 08-12-2010 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by xholly (Post 17409841)
no. It cost a lot of Japanese civilian lives and saved a lot of US military lives, but of course a Jap life is not worth the same eh. And the war pretty much over already.
reread the following. + do some research on the # of casualties resulting from the daily bombings of japan. i find it sad you think a japanese human has less value than others.

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17409856)
No, the war in the Pacific was nowhere near ending. It was actually getting worse with the Kamikaze bullshit. I have no problems with the nuke being dropped in a time of war to effectively end the war over there. Instead of blaming the US, blame the ignorant Japanese. Even the Emperor wanted to concede the war.

Vendzilla 08-12-2010 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17410466)
It's not the right versus the left. ONLY people who think that, behave that way. I rest my case.
Incase you havn't noticed, the independents have been growing, I'm one of them, I have mostly conservative views with many liberal views. I think Obama is a fucking idiot

When Obama went to texas this week, no democrats greeted him, just the Republican Governor.

And with Obamas track record, Democrats don't want him to back them during an elections, Palin has a much better track record.

This isn't about right vs left for me and a lot of other people, it's about an idiot in office

marketsmart 08-12-2010 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410484)
Incase you havn't noticed, the independents have been growing, I'm one of them, I have mostly conservative views with many liberal views. I think Obama is a fucking idiot

When Obama went to texas this week, no democrats greeted him, just the Republican Governor.

And with Obamas track record, Democrats don't want him to back them during an elections, Palin has a much better track record.

This isn't about right vs left for me and a lot of other people, it's about an idiot in office
and you think palin would make a good leader?

i would love to see an independent put into the whit house, but it wont happen anytime soon..

and the teabaggers are just as crazy as the wild liberals... :2 cents:



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TheDoc 08-12-2010 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410464)
He promised it would go down, thats why he said the healthcare bill HAD to be passed
Well it has to get going first, wouldn't you think? And I wasn't aware he said it would instantly reduce anything.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410464)
Yeah let's forget how he brought the President of Mexico in before the senate to bad mouth the American people
That's not really a continued policy and it really didn't hurt anything. It's not like our President hasn't gone to other nations and bad mouthed the situation.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410464)
This I agree with, but it's got worse, have you read Obamas's book? I've read some it, scary
I haven't read it but I've seen parts of it talked about... is he worse than Carl Rove?


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410464)
you're saying the recovery act that was passed to generate jobs generated more jobs than the site says? Cash for clunkers was to boost the auto industry and the government now owns 80% of Fannie and Freddie I think
No, I'm saying you took the total amount given up to it and divided by jobs produced to get your number. When not all of the money was directly used to create jobs, some was given to states.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410464)
Double talk, no, LIES
Then every president, vp, and every polition in the world has lied.. heck, Mc Cain would be the leader of this bullshit then. It's not possible for them to do everything they want, with the house, senate, etc that does stop things and wanting things, changing things, etc.

Acting as if he was responsible when people like McCain give him the damn thing.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410464)
you mean like stating there are 57 states in the union, not counting Alaska and Hawaii?
Hahaha, He said he had visited 57 states with some to go... he was correct. Come on, I really don't have to explain this one to you do I?


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410464)
when we bail out a company, YES
Why are you pissed then? He did exactly what you wanted... of course it was abused first, then corrected but hey, it was corrected.



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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410464)
you think he read the healthcare bill after pelosi said we will know what's in the bill AFTER it's passed? It was fucking arrogant of him to vacation after pushing it so hard for others to pass it
Well he did say he would let others have time to read it... the boss pushes hard to get a job done, it got done. What the hell is the issue with that?

I hope you don't really think he goes on vacation and doesn't work.

CDSmith 08-12-2010 12:30 PM
I'm becoming more and more convinced lately that the US is heading for a second civil war. Instead of North agin the South it will be between the two major political-religion groups of America; the liberalists vs republicanites. With the middle-ground-holding livertarionites being the "Switzerland" of the conflict.

Everytime I see a political freeforall thread like this it becomes more and more obvious that it's indeed coming.

USCivilWar2.0

I see a book in the offing.

TheDoc 08-12-2010 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410484)
When Obama went to texas this week, no democrats greeted him, just the Republican Governor.

Something like 18,000 people showed up to listen to him, on a work day in the middle of the day, that's a huge turn out for one of the deep red states in the Country with a huge tea party following that hardly showed up. Lots of democrats shook his hand.

http://media-files.gather.com/images...96/f3/full.jpg

cwd 08-12-2010 12:35 PM
Ben Quayle's writings for thedirty.com (when it was dirtyscottsdale.com)


As a preface, I want to tell you a little about myself. First off, I?m a tall drink of water who is easy on the eyes. Plus, my moral compass is so broken I can barely find the parking lot. Long story short, on a scale of 1-to-10, I?m awesome.


I usually have my blind date built up in my mind like this: she is model hot, wicked smart, uproariously funny, runs a 4.5 40-yard dash, once saved a small Indonesian village from a swarm of locusts with only a kite and a tennis ball and has serious daddy issues (just how I like ?em).


As I slowly and seductively removed my sexy outfit, a palpable tension was felt across the lake. When I took off my shirt, and the ladies caught a glimpse of my chiseled physique, I was summarily mobbed like I was a member of Menudo during the Puerto Rican day parade in NYC. Not that this is anything new.

funny stuff

http://thedirty.com/2010/08/ben-quay...ock-landers-2/

Vendzilla 08-12-2010 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17410626)
Something like 18,000 people showed up to listen to him, on a work day in the middle of the day, that's a huge turn out for one of the deep red states in the Country with a huge tea party following that hardly showed up. Lots of democrats shook his hand.

http://media-files.gather.com/images...96/f3/full.jpg
not at the airport

it was probably t shirt day when those people showed up

TheDoc 08-12-2010 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410720)
not at the airport

it was probably t shirt day when those people showed up
What? It's not normal for people to meet the president at the airport but he does do it to the "Governors" not the people running in the rat race. What took place was a scheduled time that Obama setup. Yes, Obama - allowed it, why aren't the Republicans saying how nice he is? White had nothing to talk about... it's not a conspiracy that he didn't take time out of the Presidents day to talk about nothing.


Source Dallas Morning News: "They said what they could arrange is a greeting at the airport," Cesinger said. "While it may be brief the governor is hoping to share his concerns about border security with the president." It is customary for presidents to invite governors to meet them when they arrive in their states.

Cesinger said she had no details about the meeting.

Perry's Democratic opponent, Bill White, says he has no plans to meet Obama while he's in Texas.

"The plans have not changed," White spokeswoman Katy Bacon said. She also took a swipe at Perry, saying the governor had "failed for ten years to get the resources for the border."

Earlier Friday, Perry said he welcomed the opportunity to meet Obama even if for a brief moment outside the president's plane.

"Being the president, we'll obviously meet him on his terms," she said.

Tom_PM 08-12-2010 01:08 PM
Politics. It's just politics.

On foxnews this hour they're covering what they call a protest for more jobless benefits. Their guest said that taking care of people is not the governments job, and that giving more unemployment benefits to people who've been out of work for 99 weeks is at the direct expense of our children.

It's just politics. It's all tactics because there's an election coming up in November.

Vendzilla 08-12-2010 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17410597)
Well it has to get going first, wouldn't you think? And I wasn't aware he said it would instantly reduce anything.
the promise was that it wouldn't go up if we passed it, it got passed, I'm waiting


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That's not really a continued policy and it really didn't hurt anything. It's not like our President hasn't gone to other nations and bad mouthed the situation.
you forget all the apologies

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I haven't read it but I've seen parts of it talked about... is he worse than Carl Rove?
Haven't read his book, probably won't... Barry's book was scary enough
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No, I'm saying you took the total amount given up to it and divided by jobs produced to get your number. When not all of the money was directly used to create jobs, some was given to states.
I can in no way see that the money spent on that was any kind of success


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Then every president, vp, and every polition in the world has lied.. heck, Mc Cain would be the leader of this bullshit then. It's not possible for them to do everything they want, with the house, senate, etc that does stop things and wanting things, changing things, etc.

Acting as if he was responsible when people like McCain give him the damn thing.
He promised he would be different
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Hahaha, He said he had visited 57 states with some to go... he was correct. Come on, I really don't have to explain this one to you do I?
no, 57 states of Islam


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Why are you pissed then? He did exactly what you wanted... of course it was abused first, then corrected but hey, it was corrected.
I don't think anything was corrected, by leaving it out of the bank reform, I think they have a plan

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Well he did say he would let others have time to read it... the boss pushes hard to get a job done, it got done. What the hell is the issue with that?

I hope you don't really think he goes on vacation and doesn't work.
it didn't get signed during his vacation

Minte 08-12-2010 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17410597)
Well it has to get going first, wouldn't you think? And I wasn't aware he said it would instantly reduce anything.




That's not really a continued policy and it really didn't hurt anything. It's not like our President hasn't gone to other nations and bad mouthed the situation.




I haven't read it but I've seen parts of it talked about... is he worse than Carl Rove?




No, I'm saying you took the total amount given up to it and divided by jobs produced to get your number. When not all of the money was directly used to create jobs, some was given to states.




Then every president, vp, and every polition in the world has lied.. heck, Mc Cain would be the leader of this bullshit then. It's not possible for them to do everything they want, with the house, senate, etc that does stop things and wanting things, changing things, etc.

Acting as if he was responsible when people like McCain give him the damn thing.




Hahaha, He said he had visited 57 states with some to go... he was correct. Come on, I really don't have to explain this one to you do I?




Why are you pissed then? He did exactly what you wanted... of course it was abused first, then corrected but hey, it was corrected.





Well he did say he would let others have time to read it... the boss pushes hard to get a job done, it got done. What the hell is the issue with that?

I hope you don't really think he goes on vacation and doesn't work.
You and a few others here spend an extraordinary amount of time defending this administration. Is this a diversion of time for you,or do actually believe the things you type here?

I won't waste my time looking at old threads,but I don't remember any of the republicans spending this much effort defending their choice during the last administration.

Amputate Your Head 08-12-2010 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 17410759)
You and a few others here spend an extraordinary amount of time defending this administration. Is this a diversion of time for you,or do actually believe the things you type here?

I won't waste my time looking at old threads,but I don't remember any of the republicans spending this much effort defending their choice during the last administration.
I defended & cheered Bush when he was "re-elected" because it was so unpopular around here, it was the obvious choice for my "position" at the time. It's the one that would generate the most views. :)
(IRL, I don't really care about either side.)

TheDoc 08-12-2010 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410752)
the promise was that it wouldn't go up if we passed it, it got passed, I'm waiting
So you're waiting for last years budget that already set the increase into place to be different because a new bill past that isn't actually going?

Are you joking?



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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410752)
you forget all the apologies
We do have a lot to apologize for.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410752)
I can in no way see that the money spent on that was any kind of success
That's because you haven't looked... it was without question a success, it just wasn't as big as a success they hoped for. Republicans/Dems alike ALL used the stimulus money given to them, did the local projects, etc... and very happily took the money, saved lots of jobs, etc.

Like here in Tucson last summer the stimulus money saved Teachers jobs. I saw it directly do it with my own eyes, so saying it wasn't a success is just straight up stupidity.




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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410752)
He promised he would be different
He is different, that's why you don't like him... however he isn't the Black Jesus and he can't make everything happen.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410752)
no, 57 states of Islam
Hahaha, no oh god no.. how funny. He had actually visited 57 states. Being that he revisited some States more than once and the count was correct. Oh funny shit, 57 states of Islam, what a joker.




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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410752)
I don't think anything was corrected, by leaving it out of the bank reform, I think they have a plan
Anyone that takes a bailout is restricted... the bank reform didn't need to add it twice.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17410752)
it didn't get signed during his vacation
Of course he didn't but that doesn't mean he wasn't working. He was doing other work while you and others had enough time to review it. If he just signed it, "you would without question" be bitching about him not giving anyone enough time to read it.

cambaby 08-12-2010 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by pornstar2fag (Post 17409814)
to those talking out of their asses: all of obama's debt is a byproduct of the bush and clinton administrations. if you don't understand the road the country has taken to get where it's at, please don't take part in conversations like this. you just look silly to those who follow politics.
Obama is passing the buck as well, so when Bobby Jindal is elected are you going to say he inherited Obamas debt too? Yeah didnt think so.

TheDoc 08-12-2010 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 17410759)
You and a few others here spend an extraordinary amount of time defending this administration. Is this a diversion of time for you,or do actually believe the things you type here?

I won't waste my time looking at old threads,but I don't remember any of the republicans spending this much effort defending their choice during the last administration.
I didn't vote for Obama, so I'm not defending a choice. You're spending your time here trying to prove he has done something wrong, how is it any different if I'm here saying you're wrong?

Everything I've said can be backed up with facts, I posted articles that backed up things I've said for months and in this post. If you're going to pretend you know something, then speak up.

Trust me... a shit ton of people Defended Bush and his policies, wars, etc. The same people bitching today about the War's support it with Bush, on this forum. The same policies (other than the patriot act) most of the Republicans on here supported with Bush, and now they think it's evil. This forum was lit up for 8 years with Bush's crazy crap, election stealing, and criminal wars.

Minte 08-12-2010 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17410782)
I defended & cheered Bush when he was "re-elected" because it was so unpopular around here, it was the obvious choice for my "position" at the time. It's the one that would generate the most views. :)
(IRL, I don't really care about either side.)
I always thought that was for Labret's benefit. :winkwink:

Minte 08-12-2010 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17410815)
I didn't vote for Obama, so I'm not defending a choice. You're spending your time here trying to prove he has done something wrong, how is it any different if I'm here saying you're wrong?

Everything I've said can be backed up with facts, I posted articles that backed up things I've said for months and in this post. If you're going to pretend you know something, then speak up.

Trust me... a shit ton of people Defended Bush and his policies, wars, etc. The same people bitching today about the War's support it with Bush, on this forum. The same policies (other than the patriot act) most of the Republicans on here supported with Bush, and now they think it's evil. This forum was lit up for 8 years with Bush's crazy crap, election stealing, and criminal wars.
I don't spend a lot of time on the boards. I am in my office today for a few hours so I will have to take your word on all that.

Vendzilla 08-12-2010 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17410806)
So you're waiting for last years budget that already set the increase into place to be different because a new bill past that isn't actually going?

Are you joking?
Your not getting it, because of the healthcare BS, health insurance companies are boosting their profits while they can, because the healthcare law is allowing them to, the promise of lower cost to consumers was thrown out and not covered by the 2300 pages of the bill
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We do have a lot to apologize for.
to Japan?
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That's because you haven't looked... it was without question a success, it just wasn't as big as a success they hoped for. Republicans/Dems alike ALL used the stimulus money given to them, did the local projects, etc... and very happily took the money, saved lots of jobs, etc.

Like here in Tucson last summer the stimulus money saved Teachers jobs. I saw it directly do it with my own eyes, so saying it wasn't a success is just straight up stupidity.
or like the money that went to studying monkeys on cocaine?


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He is different, that's why you don't like him... however he isn't the Black Jesus and he can't make everything happen.
Different I can handle, I don't like him because he was the promise of being different and he wasn't
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Hahaha, no oh god no.. how funny. He had actually visited 57 states. Being that he revisited some States more than once and the count was correct. Oh funny shit, 57 states of Islam, what a joker.
I understand he was probably tired and his teleprompter wasn't working, but school kids got kinda confused when he said 57 states and there is really 57 states of Islam




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Anyone that takes a bailout is restricted... the bank reform didn't need to add it twice.
I remember them complaining about the lack of restrictions

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Of course he didn't but that doesn't mean he wasn't working. He was doing other work while you and others had enough time to review it. If he just signed it, "you would without question" be bitching about him not giving anyone enough time to read it.
more than likely playing hoops

12clicks 08-12-2010 02:37 PM
Anyone who labels the afghan or Iraq wars as "criminal wars" is an idiot. Either for their stupidity or their agenda.

The idiocy of it makes intelligent people shake their head

Gouge 08-12-2010 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17410626)
Something like 18,000 people showed up to listen to him, on a work day in the middle of the day, that's a huge turn out for one of the deep red states in the Country with a huge tea party following that hardly showed up. Lots of democrats shook his hand.

http://media-files.gather.com/images...96/f3/full.jpg
Just going by the % of uneducated people looking for handouts he could get 18K in any state he was to visit so its not the big of a deal.

TheDoc 08-12-2010 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17411026)
Anyone who labels the afghan or Iraq wars as "criminal wars" is an idiot. Either for their stupidity or their agenda.

The idiocy of it makes intelligent people shake their head
Oh look the pass-by-troll adding his :2 cents: which really amounts to not saying shit! Nobody said Afghan was a criminal war... If you want to try to offer some proof that Iraq wasn't, I will gladly pawn your ass.

TheDoc 08-12-2010 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17411024)
Your not getting it, because of the healthcare BS, health insurance companies are boosting their profits while they can, because the healthcare law is allowing them to, the promise of lower cost to consumers was thrown out and not covered by the 2300 pages of the bill
Every insurance company was going to raise the rates either way... they didn't raise it because of the bill, they already planned on raising them. Another words, if no bill happened, they still would have went up, just like they do every few years.

Again... foot in the door, it's not going to be perfect from day one and "NOBODY" should expect that.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17411024)
to Japan?
The American People, Iraq, Afghan, Japan, Vietnam and I'm sure I could think of a few totally fucked up things we've done.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17411024)
or like the money that went to studying monkeys on cocaine?
Rightt... again, these are things like Mc Cain puts in and the house/senate won't let pass without it... blaming Obama, is extremely stupid.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17411024)
Different I can handle, I don't like him because he was the promise of being different and he wasn't
So he's just a normal democrat doing what we always do now? Hehe... not any different eh? Boy he sure has created a shit storm for not doing anything different.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17411024)
I understand he was probably tired and his teleprompter wasn't working, but school kids got kinda confused when he said 57 states and there is really 57 states of Islam
So adults are kids now, video I saw had adults all around him. It's sad that you get stuck on this at all, even .01% makes it completely pathetic. Even trying to relate to Islam, my god man, that's crazy.


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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17411024)
I remember them complaining about the lack of restrictions
I'm sure they could have more restrictions, but on bonus/payouts, etc... that was restricted because it was being abused.

xholly 08-12-2010 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17410478)
reread the following. + do some research on the # of casualties resulting from the daily bombings of japan. i find it sad you think a japanese human has less value than others.
Of course you can kill a lot of people with conventional bombing of cities too, no doubt about that. The allies were experts by 1945 however it's effectiveness at reducing a countries war machine vs humanitarian cost is something that can be debated.

As far as a Japanese life having less value, I thought my comment was obvious sarcasm that would be easily spotted.

dyna mo 08-12-2010 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by xholly (Post 17411145)
Of course you can kill a lot of people with conventional bombing of cities too, no doubt about that. The allies were experts by 1945 however it's effectiveness at reducing a countries war machine vs humanitarian cost is something that can be debated.

As far as a Japanese life having less value, I thought my comment was obvious sarcasm that would be easily spotted.
there's really no debate on the # of deaths daily. those are undisputed facts. it's also a fact, we had ZERO idea of the real impact of those bombs other than they were the latest and greatest weapons and used to end the war- period. and it's also a fact that was a real war, i.e. attack the civilians/cities. no smart bombs around. geneva convention rules only.


my comment regarding your view of the japanese was sarcasm as well.

it's easy to apply today's views to something that occurred almost 70 years ago, things have changed and it's not really accurate or fair to point fingers at the u.s. about dropping those bombs.

dyna mo 08-12-2010 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by xholly (Post 17411145)
Of course you can kill a lot of people with conventional bombing of cities too, no doubt about that. The allies were experts by 1945
how many cities did the axis powers bomb?

xholly 08-12-2010 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17411174)
it's easy to apply today's views to something that occurred almost 70 years ago, things have changed and it's not really accurate or fair to point fingers at the u.s. about dropping those bombs.
For sure, total war is a messed up thing and i'm not pointing the finger at the US, i'm just undecided if it was necessary or not. I also lost a relative to the Japanese in that war and am glad they were finally defeated.

dyna mo 08-12-2010 03:48 PM
how many 10s of millions of civilians did the japanese kill during WWII?


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