Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 17422915)

You think Bush was better? Bush didnt leave a heap of shit for Obama to clean up?

Sure there is new shit but the 8 year old shit Bush left is still steammmmmy

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17422728)

5 reasons why Obama's popularity should be in the toilet, (that is, to the intelligent voting population).

1. The United States is drowning in debt

The Congressional Budget Office Long-Term Budget Outlook offers a frightening picture of the scale of America?s national debt. Under its alternative fiscal scenario, the CBO projects that US debt could rise to 87 percent of GDP by 2020, 109 percent by 2025, and 185 percent in 2035. While much of Europe, led by Britain and Germany, are aggressively cutting their deficits, the Obama administration is actively growing America?s debt, and has no plan in place to avert a looming Greek-style financial crisis.

2. Obama?s Big Government message is falling flat

The relentless emphasis on bailouts and stimulus spending has done little to spur economic growth or create jobs, but has greatly advanced the power of the federal government in America. This is not an approach that is proving popular with the American public, and even most European governments have long ditched this tax and spend approach to saving their own economies.

3. Obama?s socialized health care

With a monstrous price tag of $940 billion, those who repeal is now supported by 55% of US voters. A great leap forward by the United States towards a European-style vision of universal health care, which will only lead to soaring costs, higher taxes, and a surge in red tape for small businesses. This reckless legislation dramatically expands the power of the state over the lives of individuals.

4. US foreign policy is an embarrassing mess under the Obama administration

The surrender to Moscow on Third Site missile defense, the failure to aggressively stand up to Iran?s nuclear program, the decision to side with ousted Marxists in Honduras, the slap in the face for Great Britain over the Falklands, have all contributed to the image of a US administration completely out of its depth in international affairs.

From the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to the War on Terror, President Obama?s leadership has often been muddled and confused. On Afghanistan he rightly sent tens of thousands of additional troops to the battlefield. At the same time however he bizarrely announced a timetable for the withdrawal of US forces beginning in July 2011, handing the initiative to the Taliban. On Iraq he has announced an end to combat operations and the withdrawal of all but 50,000 troops despite a recent upsurge in terrorist violence and political instability, and without the Iraqi military and police ready to take over. In addition he has ditched the concept of a War on Terror, replacing it with an Overseas Contingency Operation, hardly the right message to send in the midst of a long-war against Al-Qaeda.

5. Obama doesn?t believe in American greatness

In a speech to the United Nations last September he stated that ?no one nation can or should try to dominate another nation. No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed. No balance of power among nations will hold.?

It is difficult to see how a US president who holds these views and does not even accept America?s greatness in history can actually lead the world?s only superpower with force and conviction.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17422800)

1) It was in debt when he got it, most projections have been wrong in the past. Of course even if you took what was already being spent and simply projected forward the costs of things when he came in, the projection is about the same... but that's for a different day.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17423060)

I can't even follow what you're saying here. Reread it to yourself. Look at all the new spending Obama has created and keep blaming Bush. It makes a TON of sense.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17423060)

It did absolutely NOTHING for the private sector. Reread what I posted. Look at the current unemployment rate. Look at the type of jobs the stimulus actually created.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17423060)

Wrongfully blasted? OHH, you mean when people actually READ the bill and deciphered what it meant. It was only a great idea to the morons who didn't read or understand the bill.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17423060)

Again, you missed the point. It's not about being the "police" it's about having a strong stance to back our allies. Obama is a moron who doesn't have a clue how to handle foreign policy.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17423060)

What do you think Obama is doing? He's NO different than Bush except his strategy is an absolute embarrassment. He will incur the SAME debt while undoing everything we have done down there. Why? So he can loosely stand by a campaign promise he made back in 2008.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17423060)

Odd, maybe you're a moron who can't comprehend what I quoted Obama saying.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17423060)

5 facts, followed by 5 moronic opinions from someone who knows absolutely NOTHING about politics, the economy or foreign policy. That's for certain. You've proven it time and time again; I'm getting tired of trying to educate someone so foolish and blind. :)

Originally Posted by chronig (Post 17423214)

Congrats... you let the local gfy faggot trick you all into making the same comments you've made in the countless other, daily, repetitive, obama/political threads.... except this time with his sig at the top :disgust

Originally Posted by GotGauge (Post 17422432)

I hope your not serious! If you are, there are a lot better looking females I would have for President.

I do hope BOTH sides bring better people to the ballot.

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17420945)

If you take everything into perspective, that's no different that believing in a magical man in the sky who sent his son to earth to die for everyone's sins.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17420068)

The best black president we've had yet.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17423202)

It's pretty simple to understand, predictions are bullshit. I'm not blaming Bush, but only an idiot though ignores what he did and what he left us with.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17422800)

That is a great 5 examples of how uneducated and misdirected people are in this Country... that's for sure.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17423058)

hahahahaha!! Dance puppet, dance! :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17425677)

Predictions are bullshit? Okay, lets forget predictions and lets look at how much he's already spent. Lets look at Obama's administrations own cost predictions for their health care overhaul..



Fox news? What's with you liberals and bringing up Fox news? If I had no educated response I could easily say "stop repeating what's said on MSNBC".

Facts, they say, are stubborn things. You sound like the Obama Administration themselves. They're engaged in a massive public relations offensive to convince Americans that their stimulus plan has worked and created millions of jobs. It's clear as day you believed every bit of it instead of looking at the actual factual data.

Fact : Since the passage of stimulus in February 2009, 48 out of 50 states have lost jobs. The unemployment numbers don't lie, you could listen to the Obama administrations rhetoric all day and recite it.

Fact : In selling their stimulus plan, the administration predicted unemployment wouldn?t rise above 8% if Congress passed its plan. But instead of falling to 7.3% as they forecast, unemployment has hovered near 10% since mid-2009:

The added debt caused by the trillion-dollar plan has and will continue to job loss in America. Talk to the CEO of any company and they will tell you the uncertainty and future tax hikes associated with this administration's policies are causing real job creators to pull back on hiring.




What is your obsession with the news? I've read enough of it to understand the effect it will have on our debt.

By the Obama administration's OWN estimates by the year 2019, the health care overhaul will be costing Washington five times as much as the Afghanistan war is costing today.



If they actually do something? Are you joking right now? Do you really think that is what having a strong stance on foreign policy is all about? :1orglaugh



What's funny is, whether it was Bush or Obama, we would have gone to war with Iraq either way. I love how you liberals think Obama is that much different than Bush. Going to war in Afghanistan was the inevitable progression of things regardless of the administration.



Any moron can actually interpret a quote, oh wait, apparently not.



You're right? On what? You haven't posted a single piece of factual data. Go back and read your posts. You're literally repeating what's been said by the Obama administration themselves.

BTW, you resorted to insults before I even addressed you, so don't play that game.





Look the burnout pothead might actually have something insightful to say. Oh, wait, no he doesn't. What a surprise. :1orglaugh