its right thinking like this is why china is kicking our asses.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/18/bu...q=china&st=cse

they will own solar before we wake the fuck up.

He's from our state hence the scholarship program..

"As a congressman in the late ?70s and early ?80s, he held the first congressional hearings on climate change, and co-sponsored hearings on toxic waste and global warming."

http://earthfirst.com/who%E2%80%99s-...green-al-gore/

You, sir, are a retard.

By what retarded math (ie short bus stoichiometry) can you possibly add billions of tons of CO2, SO2 and other pollutants to the earth's atmosphere every year and it will have no effect?

There is no more basic logic than global climate change.

Have you ever been to LA, Houston, Phoenix? What is all that brown shit in the air? Fucking fairy dust?

That is pollution. Basic chemistry dictates that if you add chemicals to a system it will change. As a species we add millions of tons of chemicals to the atmosphere daily.

Argue with my logic you knuckle dragging, flat earth, know nothing idiot.

carbon monoxide=pollutant carbon dioxide=basic element of life

They pump carbon dioxide into green houses to help plants grow..

Flat Earth idiot.. The reason people believed the Earth was flat is because the "Al Gore's" of the time told the masses it was. Even though they knew otherwise.. For thousands of years.. Anyone who said anything differently were treated just as "climate deniers" are today. Even jailed. It was for control purposes. Can't collect taxes from people if they seek greener pastures. So people didn't leave because they figured they would fall off the face of the Earth.

If its true then it doesn't surprise me a bit.

Your body is 90% water.

If I throw your ignorant ass in my pool tied to a cinder block nothing will happen?

Water isn't poison, will you die if I drop 100 lbs of ice on your head? God I hope so.

You are splitting hairs because you are stupid and apparently your tin foil hat blocked your ears in high school chemistry class. CO2 is a pollutant, but not because it's poison. By increasing levels of greenhouse gasses - like CO2 - you change the absorption characteristics of the earth's atmosphere.

Just accept that you are stupid and try to listen to smart people and do what they say.

It has never been hidden or a secret that temperatures haven't been rising the past decade. But at the same time, the solar activity has also been low, and even so, the decade had years warmer than any of the others the past 150 years. That means much of the heat is still trapped and as soon the sun and other natural influence kick in, the temperature will jump up again. 10 years is nothing when speaking of climate.

Think of it like this:
If you start smoking and the more you smoke, the more your "system" will be out of balance. One day, when you smoke 30 cigarettes per day, you decide to smoke 2 less cigarettes per day, but 28 cigarettes today doesn't prevent the inevitable.
The think tanks and their "scientists" who also work for tobacco industry will try to tell you something else. Same will scientists who work against tobacco and politicians and companies with other motives. But your common sense, and the majority of science and doctors, will tell you are already out of balance and more out of balance than beginning. You have to stop, the sooner, the better. You shouldn't keep smoking, just because you want that freedom. That's stupid. It's your influence on your lifetime that matters, not what happened billion years ago.

CO2 is a trace gas comprising 0.039% of the atmosphere

As of April 2010[update], carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere is at a concentration of 391 ppm by volume.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide

Mans contribution to that is estimated to be around 3.5% of that...


Total CO2 put out by humans every year:

27 gigatonnes.

Total CO2 put out by all other sources every year:

220 gigatonnes -- Consumption of vegetation by animals & microbes

220 gigatonnes -- Respiration by vegetation

332 gigatonnes -- The oceans

772 gigatonnes -- TOTAL from all other sources.

27/772 = 3.5%


What happens if we GAS IT UP? How about 1000x current?

In human subjects exposed to low concentrations (less than 4 percent) of carbon dioxide for up to 30 minutes, dilation of cerebral blood vessels, increased pulmonary ventilation, and increased oxygen delivery to the tissues were observed (Gibbs et al. 1943, Patterson et al. 1955). These data suggest that carbon dioxide exposure can aid in counteracting effects (i.e., impaired brain function) of exposure to an oxygen-deficient atmosphere

http://www.erowid.org/library/review/review.php?p=250



Whats happening to most of the CO2?

Oceans Absorbed Missing CO2

"The ocean has removed 48 percent of the CO2 we have released to the atmosphere from burning fossil fuels and cement manufacturing," Sabine said after reviewing data gathered between 1989 and 1998 from three major studies of the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian oceans. The studies collected more than 72,000 ocean samples.

http://www.wired.com/science/discove.../2004/07/64236


Why does CO2 rise?

CO2 rises always follow the warming up of the earth

Why is it rising?

Because the Earth is starved for it. Nature is correcting itself.. Man's contribution is only helping..

Co2 is the magic gas that makes plants grow
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/04/co2...es-plant-grow/


Now if you were someone who wanted less life (humans) on Earth you would sell them on this myth that they are killing themselves by producing what naturally exudes from them in an attemt to cut back on carbon emissions in turn kill off the food which feeds them. Along with other means such as vaccines/eugenics, geneticly modifying their food, etc

Should be 100... That's if all sources increased their emissions 100%. Keeping in mind humans only produce 3.5% of that.

"Carbon Dioxide Therapy is a seminal monograph documenting the use of carbogen in psychiatry as a treatment for neurosis. Carbogen is a psychoactive mixture of carbon dioxide and oxygen that exerts anesthetic and visionary effects. The book's author administered a blend called "Meduna's Mixture", consisting of 30% carbon dioxide and 70% oxygen, to hundreds of patients, and the results of his research are copiously document in this engaging monograph. Exposure to increased levels of carbon dioxide can be dangerous or even be fatal, but Meduna encountered no serious problems in administering his 70/30 blend in sessions of up to 50 breaths in length.

Meduna concludes that carbogen was effective in generating improvement in 68% of the subjects he evaluated in this book"

http://www.erowid.org/library/review/review.php?p=250

hmm huffing carbon dioxide..

It's thinking like that which caused them to change the name to the more accurate "climate change".

Well you won me over, boy do I feel dumb.

In the morning I'm going to swap my natural gas water heater for a coal fired one and go buy an Excursion.










Dude - do you know you are stupid? Are you often frustrated by things others find easy and chalk it up to the fact that you aren't very bright? Or are you so colossally imperceptive that you actually think you are smart because you can Google things?

what does the government have to do with science

Good morning, i know about this shit for 10 years now!

U guys just figured it out?

You did notice in your magical retard math analogy that at the top you have listed 'ocean output' and at the bottom 'ocean absorption' right?

Just listen to me:

You are dumb. It's okay man, a lot of people are dumb. In fact, I'm guessing about 50% of the US population is of below average intelligence.

Just relax, leave the science to the egg heads. Find yourself a nice job mixing simple coffee drinks in a green uniform, pay some taxes, get sterilized and you will be doing your part for the nation.

great thread you bible thumping creationist

Oceans release carbon dioxide.. As well as abosrb... Just as plants do and everything else.. The oceans have absorbed 50% of mans output..

how ignorant can you be? fact is CO2 (and methane) DOES affect the climate ... so, the global warming aint manmade, but we SUPPORT it if we use too much oil etc. :2 cents: its funny; how come most of the americans refuse to see the facts?

I started the thread and if you have ever read anything I have ever written you should know that I'm far from a bible thumping creationist..

I have no use for the bible and believe the only guy who talks to a burning bush is one who is tripping.. That they have founds skeletons of man like creatures that are millions of years old.. How did we get here? I don;t know but I do know it wasn't because of a fairy in the sky..

That really makes sense to you?

From your example:

Human output: 27 billion tons.
Ocean output: 332 billion tons.

So the oceans 'absorbed' a mere 13 billion tons. And spit back out 332 billion tons?

THAT'S NOT ABSORBING YOU BOOB.

I'm done with this thread. I'm arguing with a fucking short bus masturbator. I think my posts in here have cost me braincells.

YES, they absorb CO2 and release CO2.. Just as plants absorb CO2 and release CO2...

Co2 is the magic gas that makes plants grow
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/04/co2...es-plant-grow/

Total CO2 put out by all other sources every year:

220 gigatonnes -- Respiration by vegetation


How hard is that to understand? Quit with your childish name calling and prove otherwise..

PROBABILITY 101: hypothetically assume that a child in a particular third world country has a 70% chance of dying before adulthood and a 30% chance of survival until adulthood. People in the 3rd world ensure that their family survives for another generation by having more kids, e.g. if one family has 3 kids probabiltity they all dont reach adulthood is around 34% (0.7^3). Hence, better vaccines= better survival odds= less population, since fewer kids are needed to ensure a new generation.

Look just face it ... we have been conditioned to believe we are warming the planet so that we can be taxed trillions of dollars a year.

This is all about money .. nothing else.

You are not being taxed on fossil fuels?

Taxes aren't everything.

Technology is one of the few sectors first world countries still have an advantage over emerging countries like China or Brazil. Why wouldn't they push for greener products when, by owning the technology, it ensures first world countries still lead the way?

That has nothing to do with my comment.

Just because we are taxed on something, doesn't make huge new taxes in a similar area a good idea... especially when it is going to influence the price of everything. This is a money grab and nothing else. Don't fool yourself. .. a few people/organisations are going to get VERY VERY rich once this tax is rammed through.

It has everything to do with it.

You even answered yourself.

It will make those who own the technology rich. US organizations. China can't compete in clean tech.

So why wouldn't they want to ram it through?

I told you so. There is no point arguing with loonies.

Its been proven the data has been faked and people still believe. We are doomed and not because of global warming.

http://www.flickoff.org/areweflicked...s/oceansrising
"They may be deep and wide, but the world’s oceans are bearing a heavy load: they absorb one third of the carbon produced by human industry. As a result they’re turning into acidic bathtubs. As water warms, it expands, hence the rising sea levels."


"The Gulf and the rest of the world's waters also face the uncertain and potentially devastating effects of climate change. Warming ocean temperatures reduce the water's oxygen content, and rising atmospheric carbon dioxide is altering the basic chemistry of the ocean, making it more acidic. There is no shortage of evidence that both of these effects have begun to wreak havoc on certain important creatures."
http://www.ouramazingplanet.com/eart...tinction-0385/


"Human use of fossil fuels is altering the chemistry of the atmosphere; oceans are polluted and depleted of fish; 80% of Earth's forests are heavily impacted or gone yet their destruction continues. An estimated 50,000 species are driven to extinction each year. We dump millions of tonnes of chemicals, most untested for their biological effects, and many highly toxic, into air, water and soil.
We have created an ecological holocaust. Our very health and survival are at stake, yet we act as if we have plenty of time to respond."
http://www.davidsuzuki.org/blogs/pan...lihood-awards/


"The simultaneous decrease in ocean oxygen not only threatens the survival of aerobic marine organisms, but is symptomatic of the slow-down in the ocean’s thermohaline ‘conveyor belt’ circulation system that transports heat from the tropics to the poles, overturns surface layers of into the deep and vice versa, redistributing nutrients and gases for the ocean biosphere, and regulating rainfall and temperatures on the landmasses. Changes to the thermohaline could wipe out the ocean’s phytoplankton that’s ultimately responsible for splitting water to regenerate oxygen for the entire biosphere, on land and in the sea."
http://www.carbonoffsetsdaily.com/ne...says-10954.htm


"One of the most dramatic results of the relentless rise in marine pollution is the increase in both the number and size of ocean dead zones. Dead Zones, by Reyes Tirado and published by Greenpeace in 2008 defines ocean dead zones as areas of the ocean which have been depleted of oxygen."
http://pollution-control.suite101.co...ean_dead_zones



The negative impact of humans on this planet is unquestionable and undeniable. Arguing about it is about as productive as refusing to do your part to at least stem the tide. Does anyone here have a problem with going green?
As in recycling,
using energy efficient light bulbs,
making sure your next car is at least more fuel efficient than the last,
adding insulation to your home,
adding displacers to the backs of your toilets to use less water,
turning off lights and electronics when you leave a room, etc etc?

Whether you believe in global warming or not is it really going to kill any of you to make a few positive changes in your lives in order to help the environment?

Christ, people. Every few months the same stupid thread pops up. Look around you, it's obvious there's a problem. Try doing something to help fix it.

thank you. How anyone can believe that humans are not having an impact on this planet is ridiculous.

I'm all for human extinction...

there's too much money involved in this for us to find out the truth...

Higher concentrations of Co2 are better in oxygen deficient enviornments. Which is why it is/was used as a fire surpressant.

"In human subjects exposed to low concentrations (less than 4 percent) of carbon dioxide for up to 30 minutes, dilation of cerebral blood vessels, increased pulmonary ventilation, and increased oxygen delivery to the tissues were observed (Gibbs et al. 1943, Patterson et al. 1955). These data suggest that carbon dioxide exposure can aid in counteracting effects (i.e., impaired brain function) of exposure to an oxygen-deficient atmosphere "

www.epa.gov/ozone/snap/fire/co2/co2report.html


Yeah, yeah, yeah, but how is paying additional taxes on everything and dictating every facet of everyone's life going to do anyone any good? That is outside of allowing a bunch of $8 an hour tree huggers to run around doing the dictating and some fat cats to get richer.

My city just paid nearly $1 million dollars in tax payer money to put solor panels on a building here.. End result said solar panels will power 5 houses.. GO GREEEN!$$$

they must be using some shitty solar panels. My parents have 7 that run everything in the house except for the fridge and stove. TV, computer, stereo, lights. Seriously, everything. Its pretty nice to not have an electric bill every month.

When someone says "solar takes too long to pay off", just ask them to tell you how many years they had to pay their electric company before the company called them up and told them to stop paying for their power. How long does that take anyway? 3 or 4 generations? Oh.. never? that sucks..

But the monthly charge keeps getting less and less, right? Oh.. it doesnt? It actually gets more and more? Fuck.

oh well, I guess I'll jam my fingers in my ears and say LA LA LA LA because EVERYONE knows that solar doesnt work.

"ASU is advancing an unparalleled effort to install 12MW of solar power across its campuses. Completion of the phase one solar installations launches the capacity to produce 1.88MW of electricity?enough for nearly 500 Arizona homes."

http://www.asu.edu/tour/sustainability/solar.html

You are like a bottomless goldmine of stupid.

Can I borrow that one? :1orglaugh

All of my witty bon mots are licensed under a non-commercial Creative Commons license, so borrow away.

Literally everything you say is wrong and/or (usually and) ignorant.

The reason CO2 is used as a fire suppressant is because it its an inert gas that displaces oxygen and interrupts the chemical reaction of burning. It has no bearing whatsoever on global warming, global climate change or global pollution.

CO2 as a molecule is just delightful. Too much of it and other green house gasses in the atmosphere are bad.

Too much of any good thing, applied incorrectly, is bad.

Champagne is great stuff. If I hold your head in a bucket of it for 5 minutes (god I would love to) that would make it a killer. If we filled the ocean with it, marine life would die and beach goers would be perpetually drunk.

The issue isn't CO2 itself or the CO2 that circulates naturally through plant life or oceans. The issue is changing the chemistry of the earth's atmosphere by burning fossil fuels and massive animal farming. A few million cars convert hydrocarbons to free CO2 and a few million cows convert grain plants into free methane.

Oh I forgot this topic is relevant again cause its summer. Are you "global warming" supporters the same ones that bought into the swine flu bullshit as well? lol

Id be glad to do a quick recount on how many times "environmental disasters" have turned out to be utter bullshit in say the last 30 years. Even though "all scientists" concurred that the world would be in great peril if something wasnt done. lmao.

When presented with opposing information and facts, you bring up Bible thumpers, call people stupid etc. Man made global warming =s utter fraud period. NO ONE is saying we shouldn't try to conserve and do our best to prevent pollution. And those that bring up "what is wrong with being green" over and over again JUST DON'T get it. :error