Stupidest post here.

A little story to illustrate how business really works.

7 or 8 years ago one of our clients sent out a letter and email demanding producers go over to using a digital camera. It was a Nikon 4000 I think. The cost for it all with body, lens, batteries, memory chips was around $10,000. We immediately went to the dealer and bought one.

Because this client was buying sets at $1,000 a piece and bought about a 100 sets a year. Which we still own. So if you want producers to do what you need them to.

http://data.boomerang.nl/t/toettoet/...-the-money.png

Don't sit and gripe about them not doing what you need.

Litzer, producing the examples you showed is a piece of piss. You just need to pay what's required. Models, location, equipment, other costs and profit.

Why would you pay to shoot it when you can just steal it? It doesn't matter any more if the girls are 14 or not, you can get both hosting and billing with zero problems. Just create a bogus 2257 page (like every one of them does) and you're safe. No one cares and if you offer a PPS affiliates will run to promote you as fast as they can. Doesn't matter if the girls are underage or not. Doesn't matter if they know the program will fuck them over or not. That is the true state of the industry. We've crossed the point of no return.

Right now CCbill is the leading billing company for underage porn in the world. Making 14% off of every underage porn site has to add up to a lot of dollars. :2 cents:

I have 2 producers who've done just that for the girls I wanted produced, I have another who really knows what he's doing and shoots it himself but makes it look like its just boyfriend girlfriend.

If I'm still working with a producer it's because they make the stuff look truly amateur, if I'm not working with them anymore then it's because they couldn't cut it.

main problem is location for gf shoots...usually customers ask me about real living room. But ususlly girls do not want posing in own rooms and I must rent apartments in agency. But rooms in agency isn't real living rooms, of course

about photo\video quality...sometimes customers ask about max quality, sometimes min...I do max quality for all and use filters for reduce quality if customer needed. For example:

http://www.redglamourstudio.com/2.jpg

http://www.redglamourstudio.com/1.jpg

http://www.redglamourstudio.com/3.jpg

it's very fast and easy in bach but need some experience in Corel PaintShop Photo

i love all the experts who've never worked with young nude models - sure, just give them a camera, just tell them the cost of the camera will be taken from their pay, and let them go off with the camera and shoot a ton of ex-gf style content like good little content providers. :1orglaugh

don't talk about what you don't know, 9 out of 10 of them will do nothing unless you talk and walk them through every shot. what you see on 4chan, the real deal ex-gf content, is girls doing it for FUN - most of the girls you see on ex-gf sites only shoot a handful of photos, you don't see 'photosets' of most of the girls because they didn't shoot those pics to be featured on paysites operated by child pornographers masquerading as webmasters and businessmen.

the vast majority of ex-gf content is indeed underage and I can't wait until the mainstream media wakes up about it. It's a disgrace that XBiz and AVN who purport themselves to be journalists somehow have avoided the mainstream porn industry's greatest shame.

sure 18+ girls take pics of themselves from their bedrooms and dorm rooms - but most girls by the time they are that age are smart enough to know the potential consequences of sending topless or nude pics of themselves to strangers on the Internet. It's the 15 and 16 year olds who are the most naive.

ex-gf, make no mistake means 'underage'.

Quoted for the truth.

And still they don't want to tell us how much they pay. My suspicion is they want to pay very very little and it's not worth it to shoot.

thats been my biggest challenge as well finding new location which is very important...i have been trying to shoot at the models houses when i can.

This is so true. Most young models need direction in the moment to do anything. I shoot the Ex-GF pics myself with a six year old pocket camera and other consumer cameras and hand it to the models on the spot for the self shot & mirror pics so I can get what I want and what the customers need. The variety of locations is of utmost importance and that's where a lot of producers fail. I'm able to vary the locations quite a bit since my shoot schedule is pretty regular and that helps make the settings realistic.

Really? Let's see some of your ex-gf material... or shall I find that ridiculously hilarious post of you trying to peddle some 'ex-gf' content that literally looks like it was shot in the 80s? You're a fucking joke

interesting thread. we need some gf content. if anyone wants to rev share with it hit me up

Well she would definitely be a real ex-gf by now then :1orglaugh

found the thread and all the images are now currently broken :disgust

seriously... this guy is a fucking joke... if you want to peddle your 1980s content then label your thread:

SHITTY OLD 1980s CONTENT FOR 30$

Don't stick an ex-gf label on it just because everyone else is. Paul you delusional old hippy... this thread is about YOU. YOU are the BEST EXAMPLE of a lame 'producer' making shitty incorrect ex-gf content.... just accept that and move on with your life. Thanks.

There is a place u can buy this type of content and its from a pretty big website which allows users to post thier own pics, movies, do cam shows, escort, write thier own blogs, sell items..ect

Will you link to this place? I am interested in the content.

Yes, please email me this place, thanks. :pimp

Are the vast majority of gf pics underage or underage looking? Yes. It's a niche that spawns from user submitted content and let's face the fact: the closer to 16-18 the girls look the more interested these fetish lovers are.

That said, to say that the gf niche is something to be ignored or to stay away from is total stupidity. There is SO MUCH legal EXCLUSIVE content for FREE to be had. You might want to read that last sentence again to process the benefits fully. Think about all the money you spend on equipment and paying the models and then think about that.

Those with no experience in the particular niche, no matter their amount of experience with producing in general, will take a quick glimpse over it and only see the oversaturated illegal pics and sites. Meanwhile there are plenty of real amateur sites profiting big time off this niche, LEGALLY.

Paul, I have only the most respect for you with all your experience in this industry. But to say this content is not worth it is not only wrong but financial suicide for someone with so much access to the resources you probably have. The niche thrives on CRAPPY shot content. The surfers love it and it's possible that you don't even need to pay for it. All legally.

As already stated many times this niche is a completely different world compared to the usual pornographic content. Throw your whole idea of what involves being a producer out the window. :2 cents:

Thank you. On another thread put up by Fiddler I explained to shooters how to make $4,000 from a day shooting this content. I've been shooting "readers wives" which is another name for Exgf content for over 30 years now. Since 1990 for the mags, each set of 20 pics makes about $500. Had a check last week from a magazine publisher and will get another one next week. It's content I still own and all 2257 compliant. Yes some of it's dated. Like everyone who produces for decades content gets dated.

Can I shoot it today? Well I'm not shooting at all, but if I were I would do this content on a casting. Along with the other content we shot.

Is it worth shooting on a casting that 10 girls attend? Yes.

Is it worth shooting as a stand alone project for a days work? No unless you're scraping for work. Or the buyers are paying proper money for the shoot and the prices I've seen quoted for it leads me to say no.

Is it worth shooting a scene at the end of a days shoot? The last price I saw offered was $150 for a set and video. I suppose if you need $150, it takes 20 minutes and don't pay out any extra for it. It's not bad. But this shows why so many scream it's not right or asking for the content.

With so many screaming about piracy I'm amazed to see this post.

Anything user submitted is risky unless the submitter has full 2257 documentation.

Yes I took the images down.

Let me explain why this is another stupid post.

This is business not a game. Like sponsors, affiliates and everyone else in this business I worked for the highest payer. While content shooters here were shooting sets and video for $100s which they no longer earn from. We were shooting sets only for $1,000s which we still own. And still selling.

Whether you like my content or not is irrelevant. The ultimate decision of what and how we shot was determined on who paid the most. You don't sell your labor for less than you can get and we don't sell ours for less than we can get.

So which program do you like the best?

What do you think of herselfpics.com?

Honestly, they all look the same to me. I'm just trying to find one that would convert well with Amateur traffic from a reputable program.

Paul i think you are genius because you could write really nice long making sense replies and still do business. if i do that i would not have time for business. That means you are talented shooter and writer. Good post as well )))

Promote it as amateur instead of GF. Amateur convert better. :2 cents:

Just applying common sense. Something some people have a problem with.

Chronig tracks down the most profitable domains because it's the right thing to do. Then flames me for shooting the most profitable content. :upsidedow

Shoot what makes money for you. That's the name of the game. Again this is just my opinion on GF style content.

"Pro Am" my fav.... I can fake real looking ex-gf shit all day long but I agree with Mutt girls dont do shit when you send them home with a camera.

Good to know. I admit that its easy for me to say "Just send the girl home with a cheap cam and let her do the work". Ive heard of producers giving cheap cameras to girls in-house and having them go in other rooms to do self shooting.

Any experiences with this?

Its what I do all the time.... a few new samples below.

http://www.girlfriendcontent.com/sam...s/DSCI0012.jpg

http://www.girlfriendcontent.com/sam...s/DSCI0015.jpg

http://www.girlfriendcontent.com/sam...s/DSCI0027.jpg

http://www.girlfriendcontent.com/sam...s/DSCI0069.jpg

http://www.girlfriendcontent.com/sam...s/DSCI0088.jpg

Perfection right there. ^^^^
The camera / photo quality, the product on the sink, the tothpaste splatter on the mirror. Its absolutely right on.
If I could rep you I would.

Thanks for mentioning our stuff as some of the "correct" way..we started shooting the ex- Gf content in 07 before it was called it Ex-gf..well the vids anyway..I would rent a house..give model camera and tell her to fill up the tapes, I'll be back in two days to pay her..so she was literally shooting HERSELF in hours of tapes..

when started selling -ex gf pix in march-april of 09..asked some girls on Myspace to send a pic for $1...do as many as you like, sign model release and receive paypal.. so you mix it with different locations, throw in some already shot party pix or vacation at the lake w/ the girls..throw in some of the stuff I already have and bang..you have a solid package.

problem is...it's a niche that doesn't pay alot to the producers in the exclusive area, so I had to move into something that personally "pays" me..so we are more fetish/niche now..as in humiliation, financial doms, small penis humiliation, Hypno, jerk off mockery, Brats, princess, balloons..and that stuff sales like hot cakes...such as http://cruelchloe.com

I can get 1 customer to send me $600-900 to have a couple of private videos done for him...so much easier to deal with

and then my amateur stuff http://destiny.shakinit.com and http://roxy.shakinit.com

http://www.princessceara.com/ and http://povhumiliation.com and http://humiliationpov.com and many more

sites/scenes like this trump the sales of glossy "sologirl" sites and w/out affiliates..I know which way we are heading in 2011

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Agreed.

I have a similar pet peeve with POV content. If it is labeled POV then it should not be obvious that their is another guy in the room holding the camera.

Seems to be the #1 issue with this niche.

Said this about cams a fucking decade ago. Producers here are fucking retarded, even dumb ass jim-the-fiend was better at it than them.

What did you say about cams?

Good thread, excellent first post, KUDOS! :pimp