Congrats with such nice numbers, but what interests me more is what you have invested in the past years (ads, link buying etc) to achieve these numbers?

I've tried a lot of other cam sites over the years and hands down clickcash makes me the most money and has the best payouts. I think they are better in the sense that I can make more money from them vs the others you have mentioned. I am not comparing which is better based off of design, tech, layout or whatever.

Clickcash has paid me a lot of money, I am sure they are making a good bit more off of my sign ups then what they have been paying me. I think they can monetize the traffic and retain the whales better then the other sites. They have several ways to get money out of people.

A lot of these cam sites focus on selling credits or ppm sales. Ifriends has VIP memberships, Fan Clubs, Tips, etc.. It's all about getting money out of the customers pocket. When you can offer them several different options, covering several different demographics (big spenders to people who can only spend $20 a month) it all adds up. Some of the other sites do do a couple additional things, but all of them really focus on just live cam sales. Even ifriends could do more. I have several income generating ideas that would be kick ass added to a cam site, a shame to see so many cam sites leaving money on the table and just focusing on selling credits.

So that is why I think ifriends has always worked the best, at least for me in my experiences. They pay me by far more than any other cam site I have tested. There has to be a reason for that, which I think is because they are able to make more money off of the customers sent to them.

How the FUCK do you go from making this kind of money and never starting your own cam site to losing it all on bad investments. No Business Brains whatsoever. You should get off of GFY for a month and take a Business Class for Dummies course.

LOL hey Dave.

Sorry to hear about the problems you are having, and your current meltdown.

I didn't lose all of my money on bad investments, but I did lose a good chunk of it. I'll explain to you how this happens, as it may help you since it sounds like you have gone through a similar situation.

When people like us excel in our field (traffic and advertising for me, AVS sites for you) we get a little bit of a complex thinking we are brillant and we know it all. We think we can venture into other fields we know nothing about and be successful in them as well.

I would like to point out it is the right idea though, to diversify. I started a debris clean up and demolition company after Katrina. Lost about 100K and 6 months of my time. I didn't have the right contracts (right connections) and got in a little over my head with it. But I thought I would make millions because I had done well with other stuff in the past and I like to think I am a pretty intelligent guy and thought it all through. but it didn't work out.

I also partnered with a contractor back in 04 and started building houses, did great with it till the market crashed in 06. I had been keeping it small, building 2-3 houses at a time. Things were going good, so the aggressive, confident guy I am decided to ramp it up to 10 - 15 houses at a time right before the market crashes. I got stuck with a lot of houses and land that I lost my ass on getting rid of.

You on the other hand, I don't know what you have done offline, but I can see your failures online pretty well. You had the right idea to diversify online (all thought you waited very late to do it). But like me, you got into things you knew nothing about and thought you would be able to do it all yourself and do very well with it. I talked to you about your cams site and offered to help you (for a small fee of course) but you didn't need help, you thought you could do it and figure it out. I see similar things happened with your tube site, I bet you came up with that all on your own and consulted no one.

What I have learned (and hopefully you have as well) is that when you do something other than what you are really good at, you need help. You need to find other people who are welling to help advise you BEFORE you jump into a new expensive project. Just because we have been very successful in the past with one thing doesn't mean we will be successful with everything else we do in the future.

I still do well with clickcash. Not nearly as good as i did 5 years ago, but I've cut costs and work harder and I can't complain... the margins are still pretty good. I never blew money on million dollar homes, expensive wives, and lots of fancy sports cars. So I still have assets and money, even though I took a hit with some of my other ventures.

To your question, why did I not start my own cam site. Much the same reason why you should not have started your own cam site that failed. Unlike you, I know what it takes to start and run your own cam site, the time, money, connections to talent and resources you need to do it right. Any idiot can go blow 50K on programming, use some other site's chat host and their own billing and fail. Why would I want to do that. I don't have 1/10th of the traffic needed to launch a cam site on my own. I don't have good connections to chat hosts or studios. But mainly I don't have the time and resources. I would have to find someone to do the programming and shell out a lot more than you spent just to get it done right. None of my current programmers can do this type of work. It would be a huge risk and a lot of time for me to hire a new programmer to build it all. I have seen lots of horror stories with that. I could be blowing a lot of money to someone that doesn't finish the work or does it not so well and the site is never even finished or if it doesn't function right. It's simply a lot of work, money and time to start a new one. A huge investment that I do not have all of the pieces (really none of them) to pull it off.

Does that mean I haven't learned a ton and could help other existing sites make their site better ? of course I can. If you would have talked to me first I would have helped save you a lot of money. Day to day I am going to stick to what I do best and keep advertising and generating sales.

Hope this helps you.

Did you really say that ?

Are you not being criticised for running an ancient business model into the ground and then not paying your affiliates ?

You have seriously lost the plot Dginger :2 cents:

Thanks for the details, sorry I'm not much of a writer as you can tell from my writing and grammar,

Actually, I haven't lost anything, we've been doing amazing numbers all the way through 2007, that is when things slowed down. Not sure if you know my story, But we also owned one of Hollywood's Trendy's Restaurant/Nightclub which made us Millions for over 7 years. I'm sure you have heard of it since it was always on TV and in Magazines all over the world because it was Celeb Driven.

That was just one of our Hobby's that just happened to be profitable. I started investing in Real Estate in around 1998 and never stopped. We didn't just start on our Mainstream Companies. Our cam site was done for fun and yes, sales slowed down a bit but it doesn't matter. We don't live off what we make today, we just try and find projects for our team to keep busy. Unlike others, everyone here is in-house.

We are not hurting at all. So you and I ARE NOT in the same shoes.

To what you might think is a failure, to me it's extra income. I'm all about Income. I don't care if it's 5K a month or 500K a month. It's only numbers. I have people paying me $700.00 rent for a one bedroom apartment, Is that a failure, no, it's income, I have ever thing I've ever wanted in my life if I stopped today. With the 4 Million you made on ClickCash, you could have too.

I'm sorry you made some poor decisions. But if you were sending that kind of sales to a cam site, you should have took the money you lost on the Real Estate and re-invested it in your cam site and you would now be enjoying life and not stressing about how to pay your rent next month.

If I stuck to everything I know, I would be broke. I don't know everything, I am Jack of all Trades master of none.

I won't get into details of everything else I do Mainstream, but I don't know much about it, I just wanted to own it and have someone else run it. All but one is not profitable. That's not bad odds.

I believe you have to be motivated and have a Passion for something to be successful.
Do what you love, and the money shall follow. I've been luck with this. I love everything I do.

We all get burned out, so I will admit like I said on my original post. 15 years of starring into my monitor, kind of drives you crazy. lol

And I'm not one to go out and take breaks, or even Lunch during the days.

I just feel for you, I think you were at the right place at the right time, made all your money, and instead of putting it back into the business that made you that money, you took a different route.

That's all.

Money talks. Pls, PM me.

nice numbers

i like 137,000

how much did they pay you to make this post, will76?

They have paid me millions of dollars over the years. They paid me nothing to make this post. Why would they have to pay me to make a post like this ?

As well as Wil76 i've done a lot of money with clickcash since i started back in 2007, around half a million USD, and im still doing great.. theres nothing wrong on deciding to stay with an affiliate program that pays like clockwork, the ifriends network have some features impossible to get with current bank regulations

Because unless you had the 10% webmaster link in your sig in August you were effectively diluting your share by encouraging others to promote them.

hehe, great job! :thumbsup!

class act for willing to help others .. * i applaud you *

the internet is very big my friend. If this thread prompted some people to go join clickcash and start sending sales it is very unlikely to affect my sales. People know this type of potential is there with clickcash, and other companies, they don't need to hear my experiences to know its possible to do. Most people will hear this and do nothing anyway. I believe in this thread I also offered to help people with decent current sales switch over to clickcash, now that level of help would require me getting a wm referral. Do you have any idea how many people signup through a sig and never send a hit, the only people that I have made any amount of referral money from is people I worked with directly, one on one.