doesn't 17 depend what country you are in? didn't fun.nl have clubseventeen.com for a while?

I'm just tired of it Jim. I'm tired of the ignorance and the total lack of respect for anything. The fact that anyone can shoot kids or steal your or my content, and stick it on a website, and the top 3rd party processor will bill for it, and any hosting company will host it, it just burns me out man. The piracy BS burns me out too. The past two years in this business has really put a bad taste in my mouth the way everything is unfolding.

Also keep in mind, I'm not working from the safety of my home or studio in the USA. I've been shooting abroad in 3rd world shit holes now for almost a decade. That's a long time man. That's how I made a living and now I've made my bed and have to sleep in it, but it doesn't make things any better when everything I've taken these risks for is ripped off almost as fast as I can shoot it.

You are a legit producer, but why even bother with 2257 anymore? That doesn't irritate you, that all the hard work you do to make sure everything is legit, doesn't matter? All the talk of 2257 is just horse shit. No one inspects, and the last time the FBI did inspect and found companies with violations, they simply gave them time to correct the issue or get rid of the content. There are simply no consequences for working illegally, shooting minors, stealing content, scamming people or anything else. This business gone from bad to worse and I'm simply tired of it. No other way to say it.

Example... I'm going to buy some of your content later. I like it, it looks great and being a producer, I want to pay you for it. However, I could just as easily say, fuck that, and just rip off every other site out there who has been stealing everyones content, including yours. And you know what, there would be ZERO consequences. CCbill would process for me, any hosting company would host it, and 99% of all affiliates would promote it if I gave them the right offer, even if they ALL know it's illegal content. Sorry man, that just bums me out and puts a bad taste in my mouth.

Now, having said all that, I'm still working, still shooting, building new sites and trucking on. I just don't look at this business with rose colored glasses on and really don't care if it all ends tomorrow. However, until it does end, I'll ride this bitch until the wheels fall off. Of course not all of the wheels will fall off, but it's coming to a head and its going to phase a LOT of people out. I'm looking forward to that. Maybe it will recharge my batteries. In the meantime, the industry is in a dark place were anything goes. That's not an industry I am happy to be a part of.

I have images of her fucking Glen with the photo Exif data listed as May 2008. At that time he said she had just turned 18 and this was general conversation, he was not selling me on her or the site. At that time there was no reason for him to tell me she was 18 if she was older. Of course he would not have told me if she was younger.

No idea how old she really is. Score knows. Incredible Dollar knows. But it doesn't matter. Site will not come down even if it can be proven that she was 14 at the time of filming. Affiliates who push I$ won't stop pushing it. If anything, this will create a buzz for her and bring new sales.

Even when you win, you lose. :1orglaugh

Quoted for mutha fuckin TRUTH!!

preach....

lol I think you might have missed my point there, my content has never been made to portray the models under the legal age, even if it would sell better that's a personal line I have refused to cross.

The fact that they are toons and not real people means I have no way of proving how old they really are other then the overall looks and body makeup, my comment was that I literally just created that model back in May, which in human terms makes her almost 4 months old, But I can slap any age on her and it will stick.

As for Bart, that's an entire diff can of worms, Bart IS an 8 year old boy, and has been an 8 year old boy for (how many years now?) if you or anyone else draw bart nude then you are willingly and knowingly drawing a nude 8 year old boy (not too mention most images like that are also in the incest category as they are drawn with either the sister/s or mom and or dad.

as of 2003 the US Supreme court ruled that toons and 3D Toon content was not governed the same way as it's human counterparts, which is why OTHERS make underage, incest and rape content AND get away with it, I have set a standard since the late 90's and do not nor will I ever cross those lines, and I've strongly urged others in the niche I co-founded to do the same.

as for the OP, this girl has not seen the age of 19 in many years, but in the internet you can claim to be any age, and only a birth certificate can tell for sure (if it's not faked)

-Loki-

If i were you i would not post no more and contact the authorities to cover your ass :2 cents:

or couldn't it be that the content producer it lieing ?

there is a big difference between banging cards, stealing videos, and ripping people off. At least in the US, when it comes to under age content if you fuck with anything under 18 you going to ride the wave right into the slammer. Not sure where you are living, but if you are in the US you are an idiot. Go ahead and try it, if you think no one cares, Go post some pictures of naked 17 year olds and see what happens to you (if you live in the US).

/idiots

DWB you say some vile shit and I don't agree with you most of the time - then you bust out with that tear jerker diatribe? Well said though shit... you're a trippy cat we should throw down some tequillas next time Im in Thailand, but don't try to get me to fuck any ladyboys they gotta be real.

I'll second that.

I'm going to be honest here, you always came across as a degenerate to me, but you have nailed it on this post. Not that it matters, but you certainly have my respect.

Really?

How many 12 r olds on your site http://www.teensselfshot.com/


You are scum and when you are getting beat and shanked in federal prison ON THE REG it will be a good day. FUCK YOU AND ANYONE THAT PUSHED YOUR SHIT.

Let me bring you up to speed with how things really work.

I spoke to both ASACP and the FBI a couple of years ago about an American producer in Thailand shooting models in the 13 - 16 year old range, selling the content to American companies. Do you know what both of them said? It was "pre-teens" that were the real problem. My head exploded when I heard this. Not only did nothing happen to the American producer who was shooting the shit, but the DVD companies who were also alerted that they had minors with false IDs, released the movies anyway. Then it was sold on for web use. It's still out there selling and nothing happened to anyone.

Now, if you buck the system and someone has it out for you (like Dirty D), yea, they will fuck with you. Otherwise, no one cares anymore, and this is also apparently obvious with all the sites with no 2257 of scraped content with girls who are clearly underage. No consequence at all. None. Zero. Zilch.

Given that you probably have zero experience here, I can't fault you for thinking this way, but you are wrong. They selectively enforce the law. That's reality. :2 cents:


Don't take my vile posts to seriously. I'm usually just kicking the hornets nest for shits and giggles.

:)

:1orglaugh

A degenerate, no. A hedonist, yes.

You can't take what you read on GFY too serious. :2 cents:

ok, now this is just plain stupid. You're saying that you would promote teen sites with underage content?
I'm not saying that the lilchica site has underage content of course, but what this guy said is seriously wrong...

DWB, what are you plans for the next 2 years? Where do you see it going business-wise?

Hey Rowan,

I checked the 2257 records, and I$ has the id's and documents which confirm that she is definitely not 19 years old. Either Scorecash has calculated incorrectly, or they are sticking to their guns with the marketing campaign. Any affiliates who send traffic to Lilchica.com, and would like sanitized proof, please send an email to [email protected] and they will help you out.

Thanks

Just a little FYI here, Club Seventeen is 100% 2257 compliant... all models on the site (including SeventeenVideo and SeventeenLive) were 18 or over at the time of the shoots. :thumbsup

:1orglaugh Incredible Scammers is calling out SCORE? Epic.

You clowns are such scheming shit bags, will you be giving her ID out before you photoshop her birthday or or after?

With all the BS lies your company has told everyone since the big I$ meltdown, I wouldn't put anything past your criminal organization at this point. If webmasters really knew all of the scams you guys are running, they wouldn't trust you to walk their enemies dog. :2 cents:

no way is she 19, no customer would ever believe it either... i've also got a 12" dick, no really, i have

i think both companies should post her ID (block out everything but the birthday) and then we'll see. At least I trust Score enough to take theirs as legit.

incredibledollars, at which address we reach your business these days?

wow you are the third person to mis-read my statement. It was a RHETORICAL question, as in: an indictment on many in the biz (not all)

I worked with I$ for a year and can tell you without question, I would not trust any document they would provide unless I was holding the original in my hand.

Score has an excellent reputation. I would be very disappointed and surprised if they turned out to be in the wrong on this one.

where's Baghdad Bob pic?

Our records are accurate.

I believe you. :2 cents:

So are you saying that I$ content of her is underage content?

Nothing else has to be said that hasn't been said before. She is 19 as of 2010 and our records are accurate.

I dont deal with models younger than 19 as I am in B.C, Canada. However DWB is right about what he says for the most part about them not really caring about girls just underage, it isn't high up on their list. They are only looking for pre-teens. Exceptions if the person in possession is a teacher/etc. or they would like to pin something on the business they are going after.

I know a tgp manager that just recently had the cops show up at his door, it was regarding the complains they received about CP, they were simply following up. Well they looked a bit into it, noticed majority of girls were 18 and admitted that the sites probably did have 17 year olds on it that have slipped through, however decided not to continue the investigation. (This was in regards to an exgf network he had)

By no means am I condoning minors being on websites at all. I am simply just saying DWB is right in regards to the authorities not caring too much.

Given Major League Baseball's issues over the years with misrepresented ages of Dominican prospects I have to think it's quite possible that the model used at least one bogus ID during her shoots with I$ and/or Score.

Do you mind posting a sanitized copy of her ID?
Meaning black everything out except for her photo, name and birthdate?

This is a possibility.

Good point!

Will be interesting to see who blinks here...

Veddy veddy interesting ...

QFT. :2 cents:

:thumbsup

This will quickly show whether the IDs are different (either because one company has falsified them, or the model has)

I suggest a trusted third party be sent these scans and report the results rather than just asking for it to be posted publically. How about you?

You had 1 experience with the FBI. Since the person was in Thailand maybe that is why they blew you off or maybe you got the wrong person at the FBI who didn't care. I've worked with someone who has worked first hand with the FBI and alerted them to cp cases and they were all over it. It is taken serious in the US, but if the perp lives out of the country, maybe in those cases they don't jump all over it because they really can't do much. The ASACP is a joke. I've alerted them to something in the past and never even got a reply back muchless did they do anything about it.

huh? Is anyone else here bewildered by this? In thier attempt to squash this controversy aren't they doing just the opposite?

Seems like a bad mis-play by Score, why confirm she's only 19 when most people assumed it was a marketing ploy? I mean she does look 30

Like I said, it is SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT of the law, and no it's not taken serious in the USA because those scenes I alerted them on were then and are still selling in the USA.

It was an American citizen shooting minors, selling it to American companies. You should also know that the FBI has offices all over the world, including Bangkok. So no, they are not all over it. They selectively choose when to react. That's all there is to it. If they were all over it, 90% of the GF sites would have already be closed by them.

Unless the girls in question are pre-teen, you're probably going to get away with it unless someone has a hard-on for you and keeps pushing the issue.

Why would score want to squash the controversy by lying? They have nothing to do with shooting her when she was underage.

No, I spent 2 weeks dealing with those idiots, trying to get find someone who gave a shit.

:-( It was disappointing.

How so? Completely 100% legit company vs not legit company. Their reputation speaks for themselves. If they say she was 19 in 2010 you can bet the ID presented to them was of her being 19.

good points DWB which further reinforces my opinion that very few affiliates would give a flying FUCK if they knew that some of the lilchica site had pre-18 content...

I bet some of the same people pretending to be so alarmed about this are promoting ex gf sites where 17 years old is downright elderly.

How is this a misplay by Score Group? They've made a statement as to the model's age as they understand and have proof of it. Anything else is between Incredible Dollars and those affiliates who promote them.

Stop trying to drag Score Group into the middle of this BS and either contact I$ or pull the content and go on about your business.

I'm not in any way suggesting that Score is to blame here, if there is a problem then Score is obviously the victim not the perpetrator. I'm just assuming they had time and money wrapped up in this project that they don't want to see go to waste and it's surprising they are so quick to confirm that there may be an issue here that's all.

I know honesty and integrity are rare in the adult industry, but perhaps you could give them the benefit of the doubt. Why wouldn't score be honest? It doesn't make any difference to them, they shot her when she was of a legal age.

I didn't mean to point fingers at anyone, IF there is any problem here it's probably the case of the girl using her sisters ID because she wanted to make some cash, that's often the case.