Business must be tough for you, DWB, to be so negative. The biz is not going to die completely. A lot of the scammers, weak players and unskilled people have already been forced out by their failing circumstances. There's a handful left but after that only the really clever people who produce quality or niche and run good businesses will remain.

I'm also concerned about Lia19. She just turned 19 this year, and I'm wondering about the shoots she did 4 years ago.

I take back my comment. In the other thread it has been confirmed that she is now 19 and people are showing galleries from 2008. Either someone is not telling the truth about her age or people might want to check their links/images.

Oye tetona!

I know better safe than sorry.. but man, that girl being a day under 20 is a hard pill to swallow.

lol, wow.... just wow....

does score really needs this 'selling point'? teen isn't even their main niche. i don't think they give a shit how old a model is as long as she's legal and busty, they'll find a spot for her

they say she's 19 and are sticking to their guns, i'd tend to believe it. they don't need her to be 19.

i hope we don't do STD tests off of 'looks' as well, folks :disgust

I think a better question is - why don't I have access to these other threads!

see the differences in domains, the one you are visiting and the ones in links ;)

newbie! :winkwink:

OMG... this girl was 'born' just a few months ago
http://lokiporn.com/sale/navarioutfitB_0006.jpg

All jokes aside, I have NEVER EVER Believed the 'ages' from models OR companies, Little April has been '18' for how many years now, and countless models before that,

Our industry is based upon lies and fantasy, and it creeps into every facet of our biz, from tours with false claims, to 'real girls posting their own blogs' ex gf's bang bus, "free signups" "free trials" and the ever popular "just turned 18 or 19 model"

Fact remains that girl looks no younger then mid to late 20's and if she's younger then as my grandma used to say "She's been ridden hard and put away wet!"

-Loki-

You might be in trouble here.

I remember there was just a case where someone was charged with child porn for nude bart simpson drawings.

The judge ruled a nude underage cartoon is still underage.

doesn't 17 depend what country you are in? didn't fun.nl have clubseventeen.com for a while?

I'm just tired of it Jim. I'm tired of the ignorance and the total lack of respect for anything. The fact that anyone can shoot kids or steal your or my content, and stick it on a website, and the top 3rd party processor will bill for it, and any hosting company will host it, it just burns me out man. The piracy BS burns me out too. The past two years in this business has really put a bad taste in my mouth the way everything is unfolding.

Also keep in mind, I'm not working from the safety of my home or studio in the USA. I've been shooting abroad in 3rd world shit holes now for almost a decade. That's a long time man. That's how I made a living and now I've made my bed and have to sleep in it, but it doesn't make things any better when everything I've taken these risks for is ripped off almost as fast as I can shoot it.

You are a legit producer, but why even bother with 2257 anymore? That doesn't irritate you, that all the hard work you do to make sure everything is legit, doesn't matter? All the talk of 2257 is just horse shit. No one inspects, and the last time the FBI did inspect and found companies with violations, they simply gave them time to correct the issue or get rid of the content. There are simply no consequences for working illegally, shooting minors, stealing content, scamming people or anything else. This business gone from bad to worse and I'm simply tired of it. No other way to say it.

Example... I'm going to buy some of your content later. I like it, it looks great and being a producer, I want to pay you for it. However, I could just as easily say, fuck that, and just rip off every other site out there who has been stealing everyones content, including yours. And you know what, there would be ZERO consequences. CCbill would process for me, any hosting company would host it, and 99% of all affiliates would promote it if I gave them the right offer, even if they ALL know it's illegal content. Sorry man, that just bums me out and puts a bad taste in my mouth.

Now, having said all that, I'm still working, still shooting, building new sites and trucking on. I just don't look at this business with rose colored glasses on and really don't care if it all ends tomorrow. However, until it does end, I'll ride this bitch until the wheels fall off. Of course not all of the wheels will fall off, but it's coming to a head and its going to phase a LOT of people out. I'm looking forward to that. Maybe it will recharge my batteries. In the meantime, the industry is in a dark place were anything goes. That's not an industry I am happy to be a part of.

I have images of her fucking Glen with the photo Exif data listed as May 2008. At that time he said she had just turned 18 and this was general conversation, he was not selling me on her or the site. At that time there was no reason for him to tell me she was 18 if she was older. Of course he would not have told me if she was younger.

No idea how old she really is. Score knows. Incredible Dollar knows. But it doesn't matter. Site will not come down even if it can be proven that she was 14 at the time of filming. Affiliates who push I$ won't stop pushing it. If anything, this will create a buzz for her and bring new sales.

Even when you win, you lose. :1orglaugh

Quoted for mutha fuckin TRUTH!!

preach....

lol I think you might have missed my point there, my content has never been made to portray the models under the legal age, even if it would sell better that's a personal line I have refused to cross.

The fact that they are toons and not real people means I have no way of proving how old they really are other then the overall looks and body makeup, my comment was that I literally just created that model back in May, which in human terms makes her almost 4 months old, But I can slap any age on her and it will stick.

As for Bart, that's an entire diff can of worms, Bart IS an 8 year old boy, and has been an 8 year old boy for (how many years now?) if you or anyone else draw bart nude then you are willingly and knowingly drawing a nude 8 year old boy (not too mention most images like that are also in the incest category as they are drawn with either the sister/s or mom and or dad.

as of 2003 the US Supreme court ruled that toons and 3D Toon content was not governed the same way as it's human counterparts, which is why OTHERS make underage, incest and rape content AND get away with it, I have set a standard since the late 90's and do not nor will I ever cross those lines, and I've strongly urged others in the niche I co-founded to do the same.

as for the OP, this girl has not seen the age of 19 in many years, but in the internet you can claim to be any age, and only a birth certificate can tell for sure (if it's not faked)

-Loki-

If i were you i would not post no more and contact the authorities to cover your ass :2 cents:

or couldn't it be that the content producer it lieing ?

there is a big difference between banging cards, stealing videos, and ripping people off. At least in the US, when it comes to under age content if you fuck with anything under 18 you going to ride the wave right into the slammer. Not sure where you are living, but if you are in the US you are an idiot. Go ahead and try it, if you think no one cares, Go post some pictures of naked 17 year olds and see what happens to you (if you live in the US).

/idiots

DWB you say some vile shit and I don't agree with you most of the time - then you bust out with that tear jerker diatribe? Well said though shit... you're a trippy cat we should throw down some tequillas next time Im in Thailand, but don't try to get me to fuck any ladyboys they gotta be real.

I'll second that.

I'm going to be honest here, you always came across as a degenerate to me, but you have nailed it on this post. Not that it matters, but you certainly have my respect.

Really?

How many 12 r olds on your site http://www.teensselfshot.com/


You are scum and when you are getting beat and shanked in federal prison ON THE REG it will be a good day. FUCK YOU AND ANYONE THAT PUSHED YOUR SHIT.

Let me bring you up to speed with how things really work.

I spoke to both ASACP and the FBI a couple of years ago about an American producer in Thailand shooting models in the 13 - 16 year old range, selling the content to American companies. Do you know what both of them said? It was "pre-teens" that were the real problem. My head exploded when I heard this. Not only did nothing happen to the American producer who was shooting the shit, but the DVD companies who were also alerted that they had minors with false IDs, released the movies anyway. Then it was sold on for web use. It's still out there selling and nothing happened to anyone.

Now, if you buck the system and someone has it out for you (like Dirty D), yea, they will fuck with you. Otherwise, no one cares anymore, and this is also apparently obvious with all the sites with no 2257 of scraped content with girls who are clearly underage. No consequence at all. None. Zero. Zilch.

Given that you probably have zero experience here, I can't fault you for thinking this way, but you are wrong. They selectively enforce the law. That's reality. :2 cents:


Don't take my vile posts to seriously. I'm usually just kicking the hornets nest for shits and giggles.

:)

:1orglaugh

A degenerate, no. A hedonist, yes.

You can't take what you read on GFY too serious. :2 cents:

ok, now this is just plain stupid. You're saying that you would promote teen sites with underage content?
I'm not saying that the lilchica site has underage content of course, but what this guy said is seriously wrong...

DWB, what are you plans for the next 2 years? Where do you see it going business-wise?

Hey Rowan,

I checked the 2257 records, and I$ has the id's and documents which confirm that she is definitely not 19 years old. Either Scorecash has calculated incorrectly, or they are sticking to their guns with the marketing campaign. Any affiliates who send traffic to Lilchica.com, and would like sanitized proof, please send an email to [email protected] and they will help you out.

Thanks

Just a little FYI here, Club Seventeen is 100% 2257 compliant... all models on the site (including SeventeenVideo and SeventeenLive) were 18 or over at the time of the shoots. :thumbsup

:1orglaugh Incredible Scammers is calling out SCORE? Epic.

You clowns are such scheming shit bags, will you be giving her ID out before you photoshop her birthday or or after?

With all the BS lies your company has told everyone since the big I$ meltdown, I wouldn't put anything past your criminal organization at this point. If webmasters really knew all of the scams you guys are running, they wouldn't trust you to walk their enemies dog. :2 cents:

no way is she 19, no customer would ever believe it either... i've also got a 12" dick, no really, i have

i think both companies should post her ID (block out everything but the birthday) and then we'll see. At least I trust Score enough to take theirs as legit.

incredibledollars, at which address we reach your business these days?

wow you are the third person to mis-read my statement. It was a RHETORICAL question, as in: an indictment on many in the biz (not all)

I worked with I$ for a year and can tell you without question, I would not trust any document they would provide unless I was holding the original in my hand.

Score has an excellent reputation. I would be very disappointed and surprised if they turned out to be in the wrong on this one.

where's Baghdad Bob pic?

Our records are accurate.

I believe you. :2 cents:

So are you saying that I$ content of her is underage content?

Nothing else has to be said that hasn't been said before. She is 19 as of 2010 and our records are accurate.