The man failed to comply with the rules, he DID appear drunk, he was very obviously hostile, was carrying a loaded weapon, and was detained by security until he was arrested by the police.

is there something in that equation I'm missing that you feel would have prevented this from going down this way? Aside from him following the rules in the first place and not being a public jackass?

Fuck Michigan. They're more broke than Mississippi, and that's an accomplishment.

He wasnt drunk, he is disabled, he has a conceal carry permit for the weapon, he is allowed by federal law to protest anywhere that is OPEN TO THE PUBLIC including malls, fairs, etc.

Dont you have some meth to cook or something?

well, there are several levels of issue here.

the first, and the one I find interesting, is the radical right's desire to paint this as an attempt by obama to crush dissent.

the second is the role of rentacops in society.

everybody over the age of 20 knows rentacops can be dangerous, that they often do things that seem borderline illegal and get away with it, because our society approves of the use of private security to protect private interests with force.

So, if you are pissed about rentacops exceeding their mandate, there are thousands of cases like this every year, so protest away, because rentacops are dangerous and never to be trusted.

But, if you think these rentacops were pressing a political agenda, then let's discuss that question.

Thanks to Obama taking away all these guys jobs and civil rights for white people recruitment in the militia is improving, thanks bro. :thumbsup

oooooo...... scary.

Carrying a gun in Alaska is legal
http://www.dps.state.ak.us/statewide...dhandguns.aspx

He didn't look drunk, he looked pissed, besides, they're rent a cops, I would have shot the pricks

And when does detaining someone mean leaning on his head?

and you'd be posting from federal prison.

You have no idea how scary.
http://www.mass-murderers.com/mass_m...veigh_time.gif

I'm shaking in my boots. you shot some ragheaded camelfuckers with a trillion dollar army all around you, congress behind you, all vested up and armed with the best weaponry in the world.

so, killer, pull the trigger again, save us all from obamanation.

go for it. accomplish the mission.

haven't met a man yet that i fear.

I understand that...but the security guards clearly committed a battery upon him and probably kidnapping also applies. The security guards did not have the legal power to touch him...let alone to do anything else to him. They have the legal power to observe and call the police...and when the police arrive they then can...with cause...make a citizen's arrest.

If I weighed 175 and 2 guys over 300lbs started man handleing me? I don't think so, no where on that page about Alaska does it say you can't carry a gun there and if he thought he was in danger, then he would have got away with shooting them.
I've been thru the class for California, I know the rules

thats actually rather funny.

but movies like that work as comedy because of the ambiguous role of private police in our society.

http://privateofficernews.wordpress....teofficer-com/

In no way do I think the security guards had a political agenda. Apparently no one that had not paid to advertise at this event was allowed to advertise. They had every right to ask the man to leave the premises...and upon his refusal to do so...the only legal right they had was to call the police...but they committed a battery upon the guy in addition to detaining him which constitutes a form of kidnapping.

I agree.

However, I'll bet the guards are not charged with anything - because our society approves of that kind of use of force.

On the other hand, the larouchey will end up paying fines. This will cost him, especially if he tries to fight back legally.

you don't think private security can forcibly remove you from a property? I assure you, they can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_guard

have the same powers of arrest as a private citizen, called a "private person" arrest, "any person" arrest, or "citizen's arrest."

I still dont get what barry had to do with it, your really stretching here lol

Actually, no I would not be wrong. There is a limited exception for shopping centers/malls, because the law considers shopping centers/malls to be public meeting areas. That exception doe not transfer to all private property, just shopping centers/malls.

As a general rule, the owner of private property is free to restrict expressive activities of others on the property. You are under no First Amendment obligation to admit people into your living room and then listen to them blow off about any topic of their choice. Similarly, an owner of a restaurant has no duty to allow persons who dislike the food she serves into the restaurant so the person can annoy customers or discourage others from eating there.
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj...tateaction.htm

Is this the badge the the guy had that said he was a state trooper? He didn't seen to be the real deal to me.:disgust
http://www.moosecop.net/Displays/Ala...P_Sergeant.jpg

it's fucking alaska. i'm sure those security guards were anti-obama as well. they were just doing their job.

Guess you like visits from the FBI. I just have one question for you, is it difficult for you to type with a straight jacket on?

But realizing they had overreached in the early cases, and sensitive to what they had done to private property rights, the Supremes reversed course in Hudgens v. NLRB, a 1976 case holding that the First Amendment guarantees no free speech rights in private shopping centers. And in an important 1980 case, Pruneyard v. Robins, the court upheld the general notion that citizens have no First Amendment rights to express themselves in privately owned shopping centers while still agreeing that a group of California students had the right to hand out leaflets and collect signatures in a private California mall.

The magic bullet in Pruneyard? The high court found that state constitutions may confer upon citizens broader speech rights than the federal Constitution, and the broadly worded California Constitution gave citizens the right to speak freely, even in private malls. The court dismissed the shopping center's claims that such a rule infringed on its free speech rights, by forcing it to tolerate unwanted speech on private property, and rejected the argument that forcing them to open up to public debate constituted an unconstitutional "taking" of private property.

Pruneyard was an invitation from the high court to the states to amend and interpret their own state constitutions to permit free speech in private forums if they so desired. But 23 years later, only six states have joined California in recognizing a state constitutional right to speak and assemble on private property: New Jersey, Colorado, Oregon, Massachusetts, Washington, and Pennsylvania (and several of them have waffled after doing so). Even the states conferring these broader speech rights do so only on two types of private property?shopping malls and non-public universities?and the only speech protected there is political speech.

http://www.slate.com/id/2079885


In short, Alaska could have expanded their own State Constitution to allow free speech upon private property...but the State decided not to.

Thus, it was correct for security to prevent this man's speech (anti-Obama protest).

I assure you that they cannot legally do so unless you are physically attacking them or someone else. The only legal power they have is to observe and call the police...I will repeat that their legal power extends no further than yours or mine. They do not have law enforcement powers...period. I am aware that security does all kinds of shit and gets away with it...with those that allow them to...and most people do.

ever been kicked out of a bar?

I notice that 3/4ths of the people posting in this thread are unable to tell the difference between private security and security gaurds

dude
 

take a chill pill

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No. I had a friend that went to a bar to retrieve his wayward wife. He demanded that she leave the bar with him and when she refused the ensuing argument attracted the security guards. They told him to leave the premises and he told them that he would not leave without his wife. They grabbed him...and escorted him from the bar. When he broke loose from them outside the bar he began fighting back. There were three security guards and he of course lost the battle. The security guards called the cops and when the cops saw that my friend was sober and listened to his story...saw that he was pretty beaten up...they refused to arrest him and instead...asked him if he wanted to make a citizen's arrest...which he did. The cops took the security guards to jail where they were booked on battery charges.

When the case went to court the security guards pled no contest to the charges. They had to pay a fine and was given suspended jail sentences.

BTW...this happened in California.

Not really much to go on there since they pled no contest. They gave up without even trying.

As a security guard, I never touched anyone. I observed, and called the cops when I had to. But as private security, I've tossed many. I got out of it because I was tired of guns in my face.

I am satisfied that they gave up on advice of their attorney...as they did not have a legal leg to stand on. When he refused to leave the premises their only legal power was to call the police...once they touched him...they violated the law.

you're not supposed to beat the guy up after you get him out

You should ask for a refund on your law degree...

According to your story, the only time they broke the law was when they continued to be physical with him outside of the bar. While they were still in the bar they are allowed to physically remove any person they want from the premises.

And for all of you woofing about rent-a-cops... perhaps you may want to take a minute and read the news about the incident. The security was a off duty state trooper.

No...they are only legally allowed to physically touch someone if said person is being physical...and if the person is not being physical the only legal power they have is to call the police. The off duty state trooper was not the one to commit a battery upon the guy...in addition law enforcement are never off duty per se.

You are not legally allowed to beat a person out or in...simply touching a person constitutes a battery. I keep repeating that the only legal power that a security guard has are the same legal power that you or I have.

you can use reasonable force to remove someone from a private premises if they refuse to leave. those guards did. nothing will happen to them.

CamBaby,

Why did you title this post "Obama's Goons"? Security is in place to protect the public and to enforce the law and have nothing at all to do with President Obama. It's people like you that stir up trouble for no reason, popularize organizations like Fox News, and attempt to mask the truth behind events for no other reason except to advance your own political beliefs in the worst possible way. If you believe in what this protestor had to say in somehow equating President Obama to the extermination and torture of millions of Jews, then kindly post the reasons why you think this is so.

I would love to know if that guy is going to sue and how much he will get

yes, thats the interesting part, the test in civil court.

it will take a while.

it might make a good cause for the tea party, but i think when the party bosses realize that means an official alliance with the larouche, they will pass.

i cant recall, anybody know of similar cases that resulted in civil awards?

I ran a bar in LA for a year, you have to be careful when kicking someone out of a bar, you can only use force when they become violent. I had to call the cops on several occasions

Security guards can only defend themselves, he didn't act aggressively. The fact that 2 300lb men was on one 175 old guy, not good. He should sue, they broke a few laws I believe and if he was injured at all.
Since the place had no admition and open to the public, they let him walk in with that, and there was no way he could have concealed that sign, I mean it was like 8 ft long, a good lawyer could get a lot of money by suing the state since it was a state function and they didn't enforce at the gate, but later by wrestling him to the ground.
I don't think the Tea Party will rally behind him, he wasn't part of them, he was part of La Rouche

lol .... that was funny ...

1 - nothing to do with Obama
2 - guy was not disabled
3 - happy I don't live in Hickville , Alaska... couldn't afford the trailer ...

:1orglaugh

The only people that are legally allowed to use any kind of force is law enforcement. If anyone else so much as touches you that constitutes legal battery.

this thread is a facepalm. i'm out.

A person I knew owned a bar and acted as a bartender during the day. A person brought a guitar into his bar and began picking and singing. He told him to knock the noise off but the guy continued picking and singing...he left from behind the bar...with one hand he grabbed the guitar from the guy and with the other hauled him to the door. He pushed the guy out the door and threw the guitar out behind him. The guy fell down when he was pushed and busted his lip open on the concrete.

Twenty or thirty minutes later the cops showed up at the bar...the guy made a citizen's arrest and the cops told the owner to call in a bartender as they were taking him down to be booked on battery charges. At a later point the guy threatened to sue for his doctors bills and damage to his guitar. The owner paid him off without being sued...and the guy also withdrew his citizens arrest.

Me: (tap tap on shoulder) excuse me sire, can you tell me the time?

Over Sensitive Dweeb: AAAAAHHHHH!! YOU COMMITTED A BATTERY AGAINST ME!! I SUE YOU NOWW!!!

Judge: GET the fuck outta here you dweeb. Implied consent to be tapped on the shoulder in public.

Yeah running a bar can be fun like that. This was a night club that was half resturant. we had mostly young white college kids coming in, to keep them in check, I hired a buddy that I joked was the ugliest Black man I ever knew, he sat in the chair and checked ID's and took the gate, he made $100 a night, the white kids were scared of him, but if a fight broke out, I took care of it.

wow Cambaby and his New American Republic bullshit has defintely taken the brainwashed looney nutjob crown of GFY with some of these posts. But it's nice to see he is totally outnumbered by sane people here on GFY

1. The government IS Obama.
2. He takes every good and bad credit that happens on his watch.
3. Just like you guys blamed Bush for every thing.
4. Thanks come again.

Cambaby I bet you can't stand that they can do whatever they want regardless of your pathetic little opinion... right? you mad bro?