Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17472910)

What illegal tubes do, is none of my business, since I own no illegal tubes... and as I said before, you can not subpoena info from surfers/viewers of our tubes, there is no legal basis for you to do so, none whatsoever...

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17472910)

You clearly do not understand copyright law...

Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 17474758)

Everyone I know that has a wireless network has it in a anonymous name. You can order cable online then when the installer comes out he dose not care about ID.

Why would you put anything like that in your name? :disgust

Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 17474758)

Everyone I know that has a wireless network has it in a anonymous name. You can order cable online then when the installer comes out he dose not care about ID.

Why would you put anything like that in your name? :disgust

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 17474819)

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

- Joseph Goebbels

Originally Posted by Kingfish (Post 17478229)

Gosh, I don?t know what part of the country some of you are from, but here in the rural Midwest in order to get high speed internet you have to fill out an application with all sorts of personal information and then the service provider runs your credit to see if you qualify. So if someone subpoena?s your information it is all there in a nice little folder at the phone company ready to go. It wouldn?t take the service providers in my area 5 minutes to comply with a subpoena requesting information about one of their accounts.

Originally Posted by RK (Post 17474963)

You are telling me that your Internet account at home or at the office is registered to a fake name? And your house/apartment also has a fake name on the title? And the credit card or bank account you use to pay the bill, that has a fake name too?

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 17478180)

This lawsuit is starting to pick up some mainstream press! Here is my favorite quote so far:

"These pimps (which they are - because they are paying their actors for sex) produce immoral material and while I think what they produce is disgusting, I think it's OK for disgusting people to have their disgusting goods abused by the public. "

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17470997)

Steve,

We can provide what we store if we legally are allowed to provide it, I am no lawyer so I can not say what is required, but as far as I know a subpoena is, even under DMCA law data can not be given out until its subpoena'd.

This might sound stupid to you, but that's how it is. Obviously we provide you with the data we are legally allowed and/or required to give.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17472120)

People have been using flaws and gaps in the law for centuries to make money. Is it illegal? No. It is immoral? Well that never stopped anyone before.

Nathan I've been using DMCAs to get my content off piracy sites for over 18 years. You use it as a way to profit from piracy. It was meant to stop hosts being prosecuted for what their clients uploaded. Not for people with servers to avoid buying content to make a profit. The problem is the DOJ didn't change the 2257 law so they could come after people like you. But I guess you will use that loop hole for as long as it exists.

Talking to real customers you soon learn they know the harm piracy has done to this industry and will not complain at measures to stop it.

What I would like to hear from all the knockers is alternative ways of stopping piracy of porn. So far I've heard nothing except lock down content. And that's closing the door after the horse has bolted.

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 17473623)

Examples:

Forum:
I noticed on a porn piracy forum that a filehost was personally advertising their service. "Upload to us, and we pay you X per Y downloads". The thread was even sticky. At their website, however, their TOS said something like "do not upload without authorization, blah blah...". It's quite clear that such statement is only for cosmetic and legal protection. But the thread is evidence of encouraging piracy, also the context since it was only pirated files linked on the forum.

Tube:
"Upload to us, become a porn pimp/king". While that slogan and other "prizes" is not directly commercial, it still encourage and motives the uploaders to get a "name", just like the torrent sites or newsgroups. If additionally the tube uploads are to be approved before published and there are tons of full movies from different sources with same uploader, the chances of piracy (and the hosts knowledge of it) is close to 100% in most cases.

Torrent sites (and some tubes):
"You are not allowed to upload for commercial purpose. We delete "spam" ". That statement alone leave out anything else than piracy. Well, maybe 0.01% of the porn uploaded is someone made themselves...

Originally Posted by Jake (Post 17493729)

For those of you attempting to justify content theft by hiding behind certain legal constructs may I just suggest a single word that you all should have learned about in elementary school citizenship class: ETHICS

eth·ics   [eth-iks] ?plural noun
1. (used with a singular or plural verb) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.
2. the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.
3. moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.
4. (usually used with a singular verb) that branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions.

Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17495985)

As the attorney that has filed the actual lawsuits, I can say that most of the negative comments on this post miss the point of what we are trying to do. I wish to make a couple quick points:

1. We are not looking to end piracy. That will never happen.

2. We are trying to get some "lost" money back to content producers on a contingency basis. If my firm is full of idiots that cannot accomplish this task then our clients are not a dime.

3. I am not trying to push this solution on anyone who would rather not pursue illegal downloaders. If a content producer is comfortable with writing off illegal downloads as a cost of doing business, I respect that.

4. With respect to the comment that most down loaders don't know its illegal, I can't help but wonder if that commenter is serious. Besides, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

5. For the 95% of the people on here that think what we are trying to do is a good idea, thanks!

John Steele

Steele | Hansmeier

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17493300)

so you have been using a 12 year old law to get your content off piracy sites for over 18 years

how the hell did you do that ?

Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17495985)

Besides, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

For the 95% of the people on here that think what we are trying to do is a good idea, thanks!

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 17466635)

wow, you are a narrow minded cunt...

its ok for you to shake your pussy all over the net, but its not ok for prostitution?

get your head out of your ass and the squirrels out of your pussy...

Originally Posted by johnsteele (Post 17495985)

As the attorney that has filed the actual lawsuits, I can say that most of the negative comments on this post miss the point of what we are trying to do. I wish to make a couple quick points:

1. We are not looking to end piracy. That will never happen.

2. We are trying to get some "lost" money back to content producers on a contingency basis. If my firm is full of idiots that cannot accomplish this task then our clients are not a dime.

3. I am not trying to push this solution on anyone who would rather not pursue illegal downloaders. If a content producer is comfortable with writing off illegal downloads as a cost of doing business, I respect that.

4. With respect to the comment that most down loaders don't know its illegal, I can't help but wonder if that commenter is serious. Besides, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

5. For the 95% of the people on here that think what we are trying to do is a good idea, thanks!

John Steele

Steele | Hansmeier

Originally Posted by mikesinner (Post 17496092)

You can get usenet access for $25/month unlimited transfers and get all the free porn you could ever want.

Stop worrying about who has your pic/videos on their sites and stop expecting to make money off of content that is 5 years old and maybe you'll actually turn a profit.

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 17466678)

So you would recommend what, doing NOTHING to fight piracy? This is also just phase one of a MUCH larger plan, btw.

Steve Lightspeed

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17497195)

How about, don't worry about what other people are doing with THEIR content. :2 cents:

You do what you have to do, let those who actually own content do what they need to do.

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 17506416)

Subpoenas have now been approved in all 3 cases, so discovery moves forward. We have collected hundreds more IP addresses of infringers in the meantime, which will be added to the lawsuit soon. :thumbsup

Steve Lightspeed

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 17506416)

Subpoenas have now been approved in all 3 cases, so discovery moves forward. We have collected hundreds more IP addresses of infringers in the meantime, which will be added to the lawsuit soon. :thumbsup

Steve Lightspeed

Originally Posted by Allison (Post 17506520)

When this gets out to the mainstream it will be quite embarrassing for those to have that teen and tranny porn torrent reputation get out there.

Originally Posted by Allison (Post 17506520)

When this gets out to the mainstream it will be quite embarrassing for those to have that teen and tranny porn torrent reputation get out there.

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 17506850)

Teen? Yeah, it could look pretty bad, especially for some fat, bald, 44 year-old married guy with teenage kids... Oh wait.... bad example.... :helpme

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17507508)

It scares me that someone can be proud to be making the same mistakes as RIAA did and actually brag about it.

Fighting against people who actually infringed on the content I can completely agree with, we send thousands of DMCA notices each and every week for our content. But fighting against the people that do not know better and download them, and actually get acquainted to your content and actually INCREASE your sales, that's just fucked up...

As many have said, start working on selling something that is worth buying instead of trying to make more money by suing people, this will end badly.. in 1 or 2 years we will have a nightmare on our hands...

You are alienating yourself towards your fans, it makes no sense, you will LOSE more than you gain...

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17507508)

It scares me that someone can be proud to be making the same mistakes as RIAA did and actually brag about it.

Fighting against people who actually infringed on the content I can completely agree with, we send thousands of DMCA notices each and every week for our content. But fighting against the people that do not know better and download them, and actually get acquainted to your content and actually INCREASE your sales, that's just fucked up...

As many have said, start working on selling something that is worth buying instead of trying to make more money by suing people, this will end badly.. in 1 or 2 years we will have a nightmare on our hands...

You are alienating yourself towards your fans, it makes no sense, you will LOSE more than you gain...