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MrMaxwell 09-09-2010 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Naughty-Pages (Post 17486934)
I don't need any anymore lol.. I have a supply I will never be able to use all of..

I got mine from a few places one of the first in bulk was: http://boxelderchemicalsupply.com

but I found it cheaper at another site: http://www.MyFreedomSmokes.com (his prices "look" high, but google around for the 40% off coupon codes for parts/kits).. he had the 36mg before with a 25% off coupon liquid that expired, but gave me that price after emailing him that i wanted 1500ml.. i think it was under $50 for 500ml of 36mg... right now he is sold out on alot of shit..

I have gotten concentrated flavorings from a bunch of places.. totally wicked included.. but my fav is from http://onestopdiyshop.com/ their tobacco (alc) suits me fine..

fyi, anyone going to any of the links i or others post, please have enough sense to look for coupon codes first.. lol The following link is not totally up to date, but it is a good start: http://vapezone.com/blog.php?b=1 if the site is not there or the code expired google for one.. 95% of these site have a coupon code.

Am I reading this right? your batteries get fucked in a week or a month??

My batteries last me several months.. the eGo Mega batteries I got were between $15 to $17 depending on which site (and the coupon codes lol..). I have not killed an eGo battery yet.. I have a few old 510's that last for shit now (an hour at best), and one 4082 that is dead..



The Ego can be charged in a 510 charger but the 510 cannot be charged with an ego charger. But odds are your 510 charger is the wall type, which you would need to buy an extender for a few bucks to make it work (not worth it), but if it is a usb charger then your ego will work with it.

Alot of people think their atomizers are dead.. but usually they are just clogged or dirty..
blowing on the battery end to get excess liquid out is the first thing to do (usually caused by excessive dripping)

If that does not work, then there are a number of ways people clean them:

from simply boiling them, to soaking them in soapy water with vinegar and then rinsing, then drying with some alcohol and letting them air dry.. etc (blowing shit out in between, washing, rinsing and drying and so on.. there are all kinds of techniques)

Even cartomizers can last you months.. some people throw them out lol..

the most important thing is to never let your atomizer or cartomizer get dry, always drip a few drops of liquid on a brand new (or freshly cleaned) atomizer.
No no I figure at the OUTSIDE I will need to replace a battery every month ... and at the OUTSIDE I'll need a new atomizer once a week ...

My Hello016 batteries, they've both been heavily used for over a month and still going strong as new..

Agreed about coupon codes ALWAYS look for one because almost every supplier out there has juicy ones ..

I never have good luck with the cleaning methods everyone uses. Good ol' dry burn works for me. But once they're popped, they're gone... for me anyway..... Definitely agree about keeping it wet ESPECIALLY on cartos..

The cartos burn EASY if you let them run dry .. another thing about cartos is that you can't just fill them and start vaping on them .. they seem to take longer to wick .. So always use one of the methods to get the liquid even distributed and keep that thing wet :D If you don't run them close to dry, you don't have to wait for them to wick through

Naughty-Pages 09-09-2010 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 17486936)
Sorry missed these parts of your post
I don't know of a way to fix atomizers after the coil is popped ... do you??
I tend to be hard on things. :)
step by step instructions (site is down now, but I am sure will come back up shortly):
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...-901s-too.html
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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 17486936)
I think keeping the juice cool and away from light is a very very good thing.
Ya, that is why I am refrigerating my nicotine and flavors and PG/VG.. hoping to make them last a little longer lol.. The bottles I got from box elder came in amber glass bottles which I hear is recommended.. The ones from the other place came in cobalt blue bottles.. I will probably use that liquid first...

MrMaxwell 09-09-2010 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Naughty-Pages (Post 17486950)
step by step instructions (site is down now, but I am sure will come back up shortly):
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...-901s-too.html
Ya, that is why I am refrigerating my nicotine and flavors and PG/VG.. hoping to make them last a little longer lol.. The bottles I got from box elder came in amber glass bottles which I hear is recommended.. The ones from the other place came in cobalt blue bottles.. I will probably use that liquid first...
I wish we could find out what makes the nicotine go bad after 3 years?
Does it start gradually losing strength after the 3 years? Go bad all at once? What?

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 09-09-2010 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 17486927)
Regulated?
Cigarettes have hundreds of times the FDAs "acceptable level" of hundreds of chemicals... They're sure doing a great job regulating.... All the government does is make a $1 pack of cigarettes cost $7-$12 ...

THAT is why they should not be "regulated".

E-cigs SAVE LIVES cigarettes TAKE LIVES
E-cigs MIGHT save lives. For some random technology that came out of China a half dozen years ago, people are putting A LOT of faith in it's "healthier" aspects. Fact is that there is no real extensive research done on the inhalation of pure nicotine vapor, and the research that has been done on E-cigs thus far has mostly leaned in the direction that their claims aren't as pure as they at first seemed. Sure this could be the mastery of the tobacco lobby, which is by all means powerful beyond belief, but why would they fight something that they stand a chance to profit from too? I'm kind of surprised the big tobacco companies haven't adopted the idea themselves, but I imagine they wouldn't make quite the profit on Ecigs as they do a pack of taylor mades. perhaps it is a move on their part to move the profit potential into their own court. i don't know. But throwing blind faith towards it is a little silly, and imho i think ecigs do need to be looked at a little more closely...

If you feel that E-cigs have done you well, and many do, well awesome. Personally I don't think they should receive any different treatment than cigarettes.

Naughty-Pages 09-09-2010 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 17486929)
I am told that if you want to cut the VG based nic juice (or any juice) you can use water or vodka. But use distilled water. Tap water can contain chlorine (BAD for the lungs)
agreed on both.. and pg can be picked up everywhere too.. just get usp grade.. (my friend gets food grade from the farm supply store and swears by it, but i always get usp grade because i am paranoid lol).. and cutting pg with vg changes the vapor level.. you need to play with it to make it to your taste..

and one other thing to add.. when you start mixing, do it in small 5ml or 10ml batches.. lol
because if you fuck up a big batch, you will waste 10x the amount trying to "fix it" before you give up and say "screw it"!

and once you get a good mixture that you like, just write the shit down.. (i.e.: don't be mixing on a drinking night and make the worlds greatest liquid and then in the morning have no idea how the fuck you did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

and when you get a good mix and have the recipe and do it on a larger scale, understand you'll probably still need to tweak it.. and it will take time because there is always going to be some left over flavor on your atty.. so it might take a few days to perfect a large batch...

Naughty-Pages 09-09-2010 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 17486964)
I wish we could find out what makes the nicotine go bad after 3 years?
Does it start gradually losing strength after the 3 years? Go bad all at once? What?
The theory that makes the most sense to me was that the PG/VG breaks down and basically spoils.. which makes more sense.. (bacteria, etc existent in the liquid multiply.. and that is why it should be kept in a cool dark place, to slow that process.. and also the reason for the amber glass bottles as the plastic could break down and the amber blocks light.. and also the reason i got bottle of 36mg because of using it to cut shit would have the bottle have more air in it over time if i had to mix it slower with a 100mg bottle).

based on all of that I would think the nicotine slowly loses it potency..

MrMaxwell 09-09-2010 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 17486970)
E-cigs MIGHT save lives. For some random technology that came out of China a half dozen years ago, people are putting A LOT of faith in it's "healthier" aspects. Fact is that there is no real extensive research done on the inhalation of pure nicotine vapor, and the research that has been done on E-cigs thus far has mostly leaned in the direction that their claims aren't as pure as they at first seemed. Sure this could be the mastery of the tobacco lobby, which is by all means powerful beyond belief, but why would they fight something that they stand a chance to profit from too? I'm kind of surprised the big tobacco companies haven't adopted the idea themselves, but I imagine they wouldn't make quite the profit on Ecigs as they do a pack of taylor mades. perhaps it is a move on their part to move the profit potential into their own court. i don't know. But throwing blind faith towards it is a little silly, and imho i think ecigs do need to be looked at a little more closely...

If you feel that E-cigs have done you well, and many do, well awesome. Personally I don't think they should receive any different treatment than cigarettes.

Research all points to e-cigs being perfectly safe. Who is vaping pure nicotine? Have you seen the big tobacco attempt at an e-cig? It looks like two garage door openers taped together.

Blind faith hell ... millions of people have been vaping for years now ... they're all healthier and happier than they were as smokers .. with zero side effects

I've personally been using e-cigs on and off since 2005.
I use them exclusively now that they tech is so good and reliable.

Look at them more closely, absolutely, but not by a crooked POS like the FDA. Again, they allow HUNDREDS OF TIMES THEIR OWN ACCEPTABLE SAFE LEVELS of MANY CHEMICALS in cigarettes .... how in the HELL is it going to do any good having them trying to find something wrong with them?

Just like artificial sweetners causing cancer .. the FDA threw out all of the research

Bottom line, the people you want to regulate and research are UNDER FUNDED and they HAVE TO FOLLOW THE MONEY. Vaping doesn't have a tens of billions lobby

You want to research them, great, so do I .... but don't call for a crooked piece of broken garbage to do it!!

MrMaxwell 09-09-2010 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Naughty-Pages (Post 17486981)
The theory that makes the most sense to me was that the PG/VG breaks down and basically spoils.. which makes more sense.. (bacteria, etc existent in the liquid multiply.. and that is why it should be kept in a cool dark place, to slow that process.. and also the reason for the amber glass bottles as the plastic could break down and the amber blocks light.. and also the reason i got bottle of 36mg because of using it to cut shit would have the bottle have more air in it over time if i had to mix it slower with a 100mg bottle).

based on all of that I would think the nicotine slowly loses it potency..

If it's because of bacteria multiplying, could we not store it mixed with some alcohol? Guess that'd be harsh to vape. I know it is. But you could always heat the alcohol out of it when you wanted to use it, right?

Plastic breaking down or leeching problem chemicals into the mix IS a concern I have. Like when I heat a plastic bottle to help me mix juice up, that kind of bothers me. Should be using glass I think.

I think that the 100mg is better concerning the air exposure because think about how many more times you'll be opening the 36mg bottle and "changing the air" ... Though you can of course have smaller say 30ml bottles to keep what you're using it in and not have to open the bigger supplies very often so I guess it doesn't matter so much

If air is a problem I'm sure there's got to be a way to store it free of air??

Naughty-Pages 09-09-2010 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 17486970)
E-cigs MIGHT save lives. For some random technology that came out of China a half dozen years ago, people are putting A LOT of faith in it's "healthier" aspects.
Doesn't matter if it came out of china.. lol

Fact: nicotine is not a carcinogen, it is basically in the same category as caffeine..

Quote:
Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 17486970)
Fact is that there is no real extensive research done on the inhalation of pure nicotine vapor, and the research that has been done on E-cigs thus far has mostly leaned in the direction that their claims aren't as pure as they at first seemed.
uhhh... if someone inhaled pure nicotine, they would die.. or at least become violently ill... no one is selling pure nicotine to inhale..
You do not need much research to know the obvious.. there is no combustion, and combustion is what creates the carcinogens in tobacco.. Are e-cigarettes 100% safe? well for 2nd hand smoke, the answer is yes, and for those using them directly, the answer is not fully known, however what is known is that what they are inhaling is a liquid approved by the FDA (PG) that is used in children's asthma medication, and most likely in food that you have eaten today. and it also contains nicotine, similar to caffeine it is not a carcinogen. And it is also known that there could not be anything remotely near the amount of carcinogens that there are in regular cigarettes. Many doctors even recommend them, the ones that are not have a vested interest or simply do not understand nicotine addiction and do not care about their patients.

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 17486970)
Sure this could be the mastery of the tobacco lobby, which is by all means powerful beyond belief, but why would they fight something that they stand a chance to profit from too? I'm kind of surprised the big tobacco companies haven't adopted the idea themselves, but I imagine they wouldn't make quite the profit on Ecigs as they do a pack of taylor mades. perhaps it is a move on their part to move the profit potential into their own court.
Because anyone can sell them, I can sell them.. this would create tens of thousands of mom and pop competitors to their business... the bigger issue is the US government.. If the USA were to loose the revenue from tobacco tax, the entire nations economy would tank.. BADLY.. Believe it or not, it is actually smokers that fund most of the things you take for granted in the USA..

That and the equivalent ends up costing pennies per pack of cigarettes... which big tobacco would never like lol


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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 17486970)
But throwing blind faith towards it is a little silly, and imho i think ecigs do need to be looked at a little more closely...
I would not call it blind, I would call it common sense.. when you look at the facts, this product saves lives, however the US government and the tobacco industry feel that money should over rule human lives..
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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 17486970)
Personally I don't think they should receive any different treatment than cigarettes.
One kills, one does not.
And when they decide that Angry Jew Cat should no longer drink caffiene because they know what is best for you and decide to tax you $5.55 a cup of coffee (which could happen in a future without tobacco tax.. maybe not that exaggerated amount but then again when I started smoking it was like less than 50 cents a pack and if you told me it would be 10 bucks a pack i would have asked "what are you smoking??" lol).

Naughty-Pages 09-09-2010 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 17486991)
If it's because of bacteria multiplying, could we not store it mixed with some alcohol? Guess that'd be harsh to vape. I know it is. But you could always heat the alcohol out of it when you wanted to use it, right?
i dunno.. i mean you can use alcohol in a small percentage when mixing it, but i would not want to go that route for preservation.. heating it out? you could concentrate the nicotine too high and also have some leftover product, plus it is already diluted in pg (which in itself is a preservative lol), and i am not sure how heating pg would work, you would probably end up with the reverse effect.

But it could also be the nicotine itself breaking down.. who knows?

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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 17486991)
I think that the 100mg is better concerning the air exposure because think about how many more times you'll be opening the 36mg bottle and "changing the air" ...
true, but you are forgetting that I will go through that 36mg bottle 3 times as fast as a 100mg.. so my 500ml bottle might last me 6 months between my wife and I, but a 100mg bottle would be exposed for 1.5 years to the air. (I also have smaller 250ml and 100ml bottles that I will transfer them to when it gets to that point.. but I am talking about "popping the initial seal".. just like Milk.. Believe it or not Milk can last far beyond its expiration date if it is NEVER opened.. but once it is opened, the process has begun).
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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 17486991)
If air is a problem I'm sure there's got to be a way to store it free of air??
vacuum sealing it.. there are many different ways.. i.e. those wine bottle sealers that take out the air.. get some small bottles with the same size opening to a wine bottle and get one of the sealers from Bed, Bath, and Beyond lol

MrMaxwell 09-10-2010 12:06 AM
That'd be my second purchase ever from BBB
I think I got a bath brush there
Kept breaking the wal-mart ones
LoL over here

CYF 09-10-2010 04:48 PM
I ended up ordering an eGo kit from cignot based on reviews here and elsewhere.

I did see a notice on one of the vaping forums that the FDA is sending cease and desist letters to e-cig companies, so hopefully there won't be any issues with my shipment.

gumdrop 09-10-2010 04:54 PM
No it ain't no joke....

Naughty-Pages 09-10-2010 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CYF (Post 17490143)
I ended up ordering an eGo kit from cignot based on reviews here and elsewhere.

I did see a notice on one of the vaping forums that the FDA is sending cease and desist letters to e-cig companies, so hopefully there won't be any issues with my shipment.
The hearing is set for the 23rd.. those letters were all BS.. i.e.: the ones sent to Johnson Creek said that they were advertising their product as a stop smoking aid, and the "so-called" evidence they provided was the reviews that customers posted publicly on their site.. lol.. It's just total bullshit, because Johnson Creek did not make any claims.. their customers did on a posting system open to the public..

I hate the FDA.. they are a bunch of manipulative lying phucknut dickweeds.. like anyone could ever take them seriously when they are involved in so much deceptive mis-information..

hopefully the judge can see what they are doing.

La_Sexorcist 09-10-2010 05:39 PM
Are people busting them open and getting F'd up on them? Lol.

DWB 09-10-2010 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Naughty-Pages (Post 17485949)
that and all of those failed products like patches and gum losing money, I am sure pharmaceutical companies had their hand in this too..
Your avatar pic is incredible.

Naughty-Pages 09-10-2010 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17490321)
Your avatar pic is incredible.
Thanks.. If ya ever want some custom shit of her, lemme know.. Well be shooting again this fall. ;)

(We're pretty inexpensive compared to most people offering custom work out there..)

uno 09-10-2010 07:31 PM
I have no clue what most of you are talking about.

CYF 09-11-2010 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Naughty-Pages (Post 17490276)
The hearing is set for the 23rd.. those letters were all BS.. i.e.: the ones sent to Johnson Creek said that they were advertising their product as a stop smoking aid, and the "so-called" evidence they provided was the reviews that customers posted publicly on their site.. lol.. It's just total bullshit, because Johnson Creek did not make any claims.. their customers did on a posting system open to the public..

I hate the FDA.. they are a bunch of manipulative lying phucknut dickweeds.. like anyone could ever take them seriously when they are involved in so much deceptive mis-information..

hopefully the judge can see what they are doing.
I got an email this morning that my package shipped :thumbsup

Cignot has some nice prices, and I ordered a bottle of their liquid too. If I like it I'll keep ordering it from there, and it was half the price of the last stuff I ordered. I don't know if I really wanna mess around with mixing my own.

Can't wait to see what the hearing has to say. The e-cigs aren't really any different than the nicotine inhalers they sell for quitting smoking.


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