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SiMpLe 09-10-2010 09:08 AM
My eyes burn

FrozenJag 09-10-2010 09:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 17486907)
yeah some guy came on here a while back and said he is not gonna use epassporte cuz of middle men tanking, everyone laughed at him.`
yeah that would be me.

Unfortunetly I'm still at a loss of xx,xxx but it could be worse I guess. I wish I would have listened to my gut and pulled everything out :[

SiMpLe 09-10-2010 09:10 AM
Has anyone got a wire from their wallet yet? I'm going on 5 days after my request as of now.

gumdrop 09-10-2010 09:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17488282)
a " pick-up " is when a studio adds a movie to the roster after it is completed and without investing a cent in it .
They maybe did cover the " house-nut " ( cost of the theatre to operate for the week, where the exhibitor is garanteed that amount, plus 10% of the gross above the nut . Exhibitors do that when they do not believe in the movie, causing low attendances resulting in low candy bar profit ( main profit center ) ).

Studio does the pick-up to get the distribution fee , plus the possibility of throwing in the movie as a freebie type in a pay per view deal , or any other type of deals .

And the studio ( Vantage ) will make a nice cut from the DVD , even if the film is still in major deficit position .

Mallick got played by his ego .... ever read " Les fables de Lafontaine " ?
The Fox and The Crow

A Fox once saw a Crow fly off with a piece of cheese in its beak and settle on a branch of a tree.

"That's for me, as I am a Fox," said Master Reynard, and he walked up to the foot of the tree.

"Good day, Mistress Crow," he cried. "How well you are looking today: how glossy your feathers; how bright your eye. I feel sure your voice must surpass that of other birds, just as your figure does; let me hear but one song from you that I may greet you as the Queen of Birds."

The Crow lifted up her head and began to caw her best, but the moment she opened her mouth the piece of cheese fell to the ground, only to be snapped up by Master Fox.

"That will do," said he. "That was all I wanted. In exchange for your cheese I will give you a piece of advice for the future: "Do not trust flatterers."

:thumbsup

Alprazolam 09-10-2010 09:30 AM
still no movement on my account either. seems its just dead in the water.

selena 09-10-2010 09:34 AM
Good investigative work!

Imortyl Pussycat 09-10-2010 09:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SiMpLe (Post 17488447)
Has anyone got a wire from their wallet yet? I'm going on 5 days after my request as of now.
not 1 person. you haven't gotten the second request aka stall tactic, for all your docs yet? can you even login to your epass account right now? everyone else that requested wires and sent docs is saying they can't get in now. link for uploading docs (again) appears. sorry sugar, bad news just keeps getting worse :(

Buzz 09-10-2010 09:43 AM
The thread is true example of what a lack of information may lead human mind to.

I'm not trying to defend CM or epass, but why don't you grow up people and start operating facts, not speculations?

Visa cards and accounts are operated by SKNA, not the United Bank (or whatever you're referring to) supposedly owned by Mallick. The Curacao bank holds WALLET funds. They are not connected in any ways other than epassporte's local gateways.

Say it was ePassporte [users] funds used for Middlemen - the money from United [owned by Mallick]. Movie is epic fail, funds are low, captain orders to shut down the account. This way it would be WALLETS blocked, not Visa accounts.

Some will say "He'd transferred money from SKNA to fund the movie". But what's the hype about United then?

Simple logic.

run 09-10-2010 09:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 17488577)

I'm not trying to defend CM or epass, but why don't you grow up people and start operating facts, not speculations?
Not possible at this time ==> epass is hiding facts.

Ethersync 09-10-2010 10:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 17488577)
The thread is true example of what a lack of information may lead human mind to.

I'm not trying to defend CM or epass, but why don't you grow up people and start operating facts, not speculations?

Visa cards and accounts are operated by SKNA, not the United Bank (or whatever you're referring to) supposedly owned by Mallick. The Curacao bank holds WALLET funds. They are not connected in any ways other than epassporte's local gateways.

Say it was ePassporte [users] funds used for Middlemen - the money from United [owned by Mallick]. Movie is epic fail, funds are low, captain orders to shut down the account. This way it would be WALLETS blocked, not Visa accounts.

Some will say "He'd transferred money from SKNA to fund the movie". But what's the hype about United then?

Simple logic.
It's clear SKNA handles Visa transactions and United has Wallet funds. Here is the problem with your logic: For some mysterious reason, Chris claims to not know, SKNA shut down Visa transactions for ePassporte. One good reason for that would be if there were not enough funds on deposit at SKNA to cover the amount on cardholder Visa accounts. That is obviously something Chris would not want to admit to. Furthermore if United does not have enough funds on deposit to cover what is in cardholder's wallet accounts who is going to shut ePassporte down? Chris? Of course not. If there were not enough funds on deposit with United to cover everyone's Wallet accounts what action might ePassporte/United take? Oh, I don't now... Maybe withhold/delay wire transfers? Maybe this is all wrong, but until we get some real answers from ePassporte (or SKNA) all we can do is speculate.

Tasty1 09-10-2010 10:06 AM
http://cdn.radionetherlands.nl/data/...%20(Sluis).JPG

Man on the left is Elias.
Gregory Elias and Jan-Willem Luijken

McSpike 09-10-2010 10:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 17488577)
The thread is true example of what a lack of information may lead human mind to.

Say it was ePassporte [users] funds used for Middlemen - the money from United [owned by Mallick]. Movie is epic fail, funds are low, captain orders to shut down the account. This way it would be WALLETS blocked, not Visa accounts.
Who said WALLETS not tied to US accounts aren't blocked? Anyone got any wires yet? No?

So, yes, the money is either frozen, stuck or doesn't want to leave the bank because they are preventing a run on the bank.

The St. Kitts bank stepped in because there was something wrong and cut the poor bastards off. The fact that they say they don't understand what it was after a week is such a fucking insult to think we are that naive. That is a fucking lie or the things are SOOOO bad that the epassporte is not given any facts whatsoever about what has happened until the police are back from the vacation. One or the other. In either case, stop being naive. If by some odd chance there is a reason to give them credit, there won't be any credit left after this is over simply because of SHITTY PR and lies. Period. Amen!

96ukssob 09-10-2010 10:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 17487018)
If only we were all smart enough to have checked this kind of stuff out BEFORE dumping money into their system. I'm sure we'll know for next time...
kind funny how that happens, but no one seems to care when something great and easy comes along

DaCaptain 09-10-2010 10:20 AM
I withdrew most of my money from my wallet to my checking account last Friday (I was lucky in that I had taken most of the funds that I had in epass over the last month prior to all of this trouble so I only had $600 that I needed to transfer) If wires are not working, why are folks just not withdrawing to checking accounts each day until your Wallet funds are depleted? If you do not have the option to withdraw to a checking account, you should consider transferring some of your epass' wallet funds to someone you trust who can withdraw to a checking account, then they can either wire your funds or send you a check.

gumdrop 09-10-2010 10:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bossku69 (Post 17488699)
kind funny how that happens, but no one seems to care when something great and easy comes along
Isn't that the truth....:thumbsup

McSpike 09-10-2010 10:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 17487018)
If only we were all smart enough to have checked this kind of stuff out BEFORE dumping money into their system. I'm sure we'll know for next time...
History teaches us that people will NOT due the due diligence on their next payment service. People forget. Period.

borked 09-10-2010 10:21 AM
This has been *the* most interesting thread I've ever read on GFY.

Props to the OP for probably blowing the smoke screen well away. :thumbsup

I feel for you all that are probably going to lose big on this, especially those that kept harassing (to no effect) michael for answers, when others seemed to be kissing arses.

Captcha 09-10-2010 10:24 AM
again, lawyer time

DaCaptain 09-10-2010 10:26 AM
Weird...I just received a message in my epass message center, but it's the same message that Michael O posted yesterday.

Tasty1 09-10-2010 10:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captcha (Post 17488747)
again, lawyer time
Seize their assets before it's gone.

JA$ON 09-10-2010 10:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Randy West (Post 17487108)
Someone track down these douchebags. Too much money to just let go. This guy needs a beating.
All the major players behind Ibill have been attending shows for years doing new things, onto projects and businesses that ALOT of the people here do business with, wether they know it or not. Nobody says anything. The reason is the same reason people in the US let the super rich get away with stealing trillions and nobody rises up....Because deep down, 99.999% of people want to be players. Rich, powerful etc. And there is this feeling that someday, somehow "I too" will get too be a member of that club. So people keep their mouths shut because the power and allure of $$ and one day being alowed to play in that sandbox is stonger than the drive to say in person what people have no problem saying on a mess board. :2 cents:

beta-tester 09-10-2010 10:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captcha (Post 17488747)
again, lawyer time
not yet, not yet... but almost...

directfiesta 09-10-2010 10:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethersync (Post 17488633)
It's clear SKNA handles Visa transactions and United has Wallet funds. Here is the problem with your logic: For some mysterious reason, Chris claims to not know, SKNA shut down Visa transactions for ePassporte. One good reason for that would be if there were not enough funds on deposit at SKNA to cover the amount on cardholder Visa accounts. That is obviously something Chris would not want to admit to. Furthermore if United does not have enough funds on deposit to cover what is in cardholder's wallet accounts who is going to shut ePassporte down? Chris? Of course not. If there were not enough funds on deposit with United to cover everyone's Wallet accounts what action might ePassporte/United take? Oh, I don't now... Maybe withhold/delay wire transfers? Maybe this is all wrong, but until we get some real answers from ePassporte (or SKNA) all we can do is speculate.
Bravo ! A perfect analysis of the scenario .... :thumbsup

notime 09-10-2010 11:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SiMpLe (Post 17488447)
Has anyone got a wire from their wallet yet? I'm going on 5 days after my request as of now.
Sean, Brad from Mojohost and 3 others confirmed receiving a wire I read between these million epass posts.
You have his contact info, ask him.

lucPL 09-10-2010 11:05 AM
ok ONE wire went out, fingers crossed for more.

lucPL 09-10-2010 11:06 AM
NO they got ACH not wire

LexiLexxx 09-10-2010 11:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alprazolam (Post 17488363)
the movie studios will distance themselves even further from the porn industry now. the studio will be embarrassed by this.

mark walberg is lucky he is in so good with HBO or his new show on the porn biz would prob get cut.
Oh, I must have missed that memo! Love me some Mark Walberg.

So, I hope all works out with the epass cash....ekkk! Scary shit, WHY do people put so much time and money into thing's...then get cheap in the end with advertising? :helpme
I see it all the time.... I've only seen a few posts, with the movie trailer. Even if the movie sucked, I bet it would have made more $$$. Some movies do suck, but they still make $$.

poisson 09-10-2010 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethersync (Post 17488019)
It is also worth noting that ePassporte suggesting people keep money in their wallet accounts makes sense now that we know the bank that handles wallet deposits is more or less owned by ePassporte/Chris Mallick. I think when the dust settles we may find that this ePassporte bank is way over leveraged because of non performing loans to fund various other business Chris Mallick has. I would not be surprised to find personal loans on the books as well. Everyone scrambling to pull money out of their wallets is only going to add to the balance sheet problem. The Visa Electron/Virtual money is likely not even all on deposit with the bank in St. Kitts. That is the only reason I can see them shutting down the cards. What a fucking mess.
:thumbsup :(

Kingfish 09-10-2010 11:13 AM
The really ironic thing if this scenario is true is that webmasters and programs funded the Middle Men advertising on the Tubes.

DWB 09-10-2010 11:18 AM
If you guys did your research BEFORE someone fucked you, the way you do AFTER they fuck you, you'd probably avoid 90% of the fuckings.

Shap 09-10-2010 11:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notime (Post 17488909)
Sean, Brad from Mojohost and 3 others confirmed receiving a wire I read between these million epass posts.
You have his contact info, ask him.
Brad got an ACH

Jdoughs 09-10-2010 11:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17488966)
If you guys did your research BEFORE someone fucked you, the way you do AFTER they fuck you, you'd probably avoid 90% of the fuckings.
Come on now, it's real easy to say this after the fact.

Talk about jumping the bandwagon.

nikki99 09-10-2010 11:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captcha (Post 17488747)
again, lawyer time
not yet

u never had troubles with your bank yourself?

spazlabz 09-10-2010 11:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by McSpike (Post 17487244)
This means a few things:

1) By everyone requesting wires from Epass we are actually conducting a run on their own bank. Our funds are not kept in a bank one would recognize as trustworthy, but a bank they can only talk in very very biased tone about. Your money is safe in our pocket. Not some other bank's pocket, but our own bank's pocket. So by taking all the money out we are fucking this bank up and to prevent it from going tits up and all the shit to implode they will delay the wires. After all, how can that be, this is not your local bank you can take a step into in 5 minutes and withdraw everything you have there.

2) Since these people own the bank and own epass and fund shitty movies, then it could be they did secure the loans they took for the movies with bank's assets (read: our assets). After all that's how banks operate. Nothing new. Yet now when shit hit the fan for some reason in St. Kitts they had to announce it, but at the same time can't release the wires because they are being deposited as insurance in order to get their own Hollywood loans. after all... all this money in epass (especially in accounts where it wasn't the last station, like B2B accounts, trading etc) was mostly circling from account to account, from affiliate payments further to programmers, writers, who also had their own online projects and who ordered services from other epass account holders and paid them and so the majority of this money ciccled around the system and never exited. For the most part. The money was at the reach of the owners there in the bank all the time. They only moved the numbers around in our epass accounts, not the actual money. The majority of millions was there all the time, not going anywhere. So... what do you do with all this money in your bank as a bank owner? Jesus you do what every other bank does - you invest it. That's why banks come down if everyone wants to withdraw the money - the majority of the money is never in the bank actually. It's invested. To get it out they have to dump that little part of the investment they have and give you your money. HOWEVER THE SHIT HITS THE FAN IF that investment gets stuck and you have a small tiny private bank we are talking about here, then ouch, we can't give you your money just right now because it's somewhere else and it's stuck there as an investment insurance and we are doing everything possible to get it released... if it only wasn't for this shitty st. kitts bank that cut us off you would never know and we would be able to pay you since you wouldn't all be requesting the money right away and right now and at the worst possible time since the movie didn't make it... well... you do the math...
yup :thumbsup

SiMpLe 09-10-2010 12:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notime (Post 17488909)
Sean, Brad from Mojohost and 3 others confirmed receiving a wire I read between these million epass posts.
You have his contact info, ask him.
kk thanks :)

SiMpLe 09-10-2010 12:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17488990)
Brad got an ACH
sigh :disgust

jalami 09-10-2010 12:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ethersync (Post 17488633)
For some mysterious reason, Chris claims to not know, SKNA shut down Visa transactions for ePassporte. One good reason for that would be if there were not enough funds on deposit at SKNA to cover the amount on cardholder Visa accounts.
It's entirely possible that SKNA did not require the Virtual Visa balances to be 100% funded by deposits with SKNA. After all, every ePassporte user has a daily ATM withdrawal / POS purchase limit. It's likely there would be a daily reconciliation between United and ePassporte's account with SKNA. This also makes sense in light of the fact that daily limits were reduced a few weeks ago. Of course this is pure speculation.

notime 09-10-2010 12:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17488990)
Brad got an ACH
Is that a check? Not sure what ACh is.

chronig 09-10-2010 12:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikki99 (Post 17489082)
not yet

u never had troubles with your bank yourself?
nothing to worry about ... you sound just like my friend here that thinks everything will be fine

only difference is she doesn't have a dingaling between her legs

signupdamnit 09-10-2010 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notime (Post 17489324)
Is that a check? Not sure what ACh is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_Clearing_House

Argos88 09-10-2010 12:54 PM
is Saint Kittis and Nevis related to the dutch gov or anything dutch?

Because curacao is...

saint kittis and nevis was english or dutch in the past?

.

notime 09-10-2010 12:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17489334)
Thanks for this link to explain it to a Dutchie. Much appriciated.

Ethersync 09-10-2010 12:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalami (Post 17489197)
It's entirely possible that SKNA did not require the Virtual Visa balances to be 100% funded by deposits with SKNA. After all, every ePassporte user has a daily ATM withdrawal / POS purchase limit. It's likely there would be a daily reconciliation between United and ePassporte's account with SKNA. This also makes sense in light of the fact that daily limits were reduced a few weeks ago. Of course this is pure speculation.
I'm sure it is not 100%. It is, and this is only a guess, probably roughly equal to the amount that cardholders can take out (by ATM, card transaction and virtual visa use) over a set period of time. Lowering daily limits a few weeks ago very well could have been an attempt to lower the amount they need to keep on deposit with SKNA because of liquidity problems.

notime 09-10-2010 01:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Argos88 (Post 17489394)
is Saint Kittis and Nevis related to the dutch gov or anything dutch?

Because curacao is...

saint kittis and nevis was english or dutch in the past?

.
Don't think it is Dutch. The name of the bank is not anything I ever saw in Holland.
Curacao was a part of the Dutch Kingdom. That changed recently I believe. So they are no longer under the Dutch flag but still coop with Holland somehow. Google can probably tell you how this works now.

Sly 09-10-2010 01:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17488966)
If you guys did your research BEFORE someone fucked you, the way you do AFTER they fuck you, you'd probably avoid 90% of the fuckings.
Incredible Dollars taught you a pretty good lesson, eh?

borked 09-10-2010 01:11 PM
If I'm not mistaken and all this in this thread is true, it probably is best to have all your money in your visa account and not your wallet account...

At least that cash is probably guaranteed (hence the freeze) by at least St kitts, if not Visa. The money in the ewallet appears guaranteed by no banking regulation...

nikki99 09-10-2010 01:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly (Post 17489449)
Incredible Dollars taught you a pretty good lesson, eh?
where is Gleen the boss?, Jail?

uno 09-10-2010 01:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alprazolam (Post 17487051)
please tell me you are not a math teacher, or planning to be one when you fail at adult internet. :error

want to try again?
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I could use a few mg of you.

ladida 09-10-2010 01:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by borked (Post 17489457)
If I'm not mistaken and all this in this thread is true, it probably is best to have all your money in your visa account and not your wallet account...

At least that cash is probably guaranteed (hence the freeze) by at least St kitts, if not Visa. The money in the ewallet appears guaranteed by no banking regulation...
Yea, i kind of got the same feeling.

epitome 09-10-2010 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by borked (Post 17489457)
If I'm not mistaken and all this in this thread is true, it probably is best to have all your money in your visa account and not your wallet account...

At least that cash is probably guaranteed (hence the freeze) by at least St kitts, if not Visa. The money in the ewallet appears guaranteed by no banking regulation...
Which, if true, would mean a man with close ties to a bank (Chris Mallick) gave misleading guidance to its unwitting shareholders.


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