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kristin 09-10-2010 08:48 AM

Unfortunately 2010 is turning out just how I imagined and believe it will carry heavily over to 2011. The next six months are crucial for programs.

I think the amount of lawsuits should also be added to that list. That increased over 2010.

Alprazolam 09-10-2010 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17488347)
You missed one.

About time the customer stopped willing to buy a months membership to a site full of the same boring old content he's seen for years. Except it's in HD now. :1orglaugh

THIS IS THE ONLY SITE WITH THIS GIRL ON THIS SOFA OR BAD.

But she's on 100 other sofas OR BEDS on A 100 other site and doing the same thing time after time. Even if the girl is "exclusive" the scene is repeated everywhere. Innovation and imagination has dies.

Because we're too busy listening to Chipolata and spending a fortune to get a sign up.

maybe for your shitty content, but i know many programs still rebilling on the same cycles as many years ago. god you really are out of touch.

Slutboat 09-10-2010 08:53 AM

Maybe Twistys needs to diversify...people must be tired of mannequin porn

Pipecrew 09-10-2010 08:56 AM

what's scary is contacting all these epass affiliates and telling them they need to change to another payment method in order to get paid and seeing only like 40% of them give a shit and change.

ruff 09-10-2010 09:04 AM

There are plenty of webmasters and programs that are doing proper business and taking care of their members and affiliates. Good, honest and professional business always survives. I try to find the cream of the crop to work with and emulate them myself. I could care less about companies that are going down the toilet. I just get out of their way and try not to let them take me down with them. You can play the blame game with tube sites or whatever, people are still buying quality porn in all kinds of different presentations. Just put out a good product and you will be alright, if not, find something else.

LAJ 09-10-2010 09:07 AM

Im having a freakin fantastic year.

halfpint 09-10-2010 09:14 AM

Things are gonna get worse over the next few years The economy is not get better as our goverments would like us to think Almost every week I hear of biz closing down and people loosing thier jobs and today they said around 40k police officers could loose thier jobs over here in the UK. Things will get much worse before they even begin to get better :2 cents:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11261739

RyuLion 09-10-2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17487957)
2010 is (so far) pretty much exactly as I was expecting. No surprises here.

Adapt or die still applies.

I concur. :pimp

JFK 09-10-2010 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 17488435)
Im having a freakin fantastic year.

Good for you Jay:thumbsup

Serge Litehead 09-10-2010 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pipecrew (Post 17488386)
what's scary is contacting all these epass affiliates and telling them they need to change to another payment method in order to get paid and seeing only like 40% of them give a shit and change.

a lot of these other 60% have epass as only aval. option for them being able to conduct online biz. for instance getting and cashing western checks in Eastern Europe i imagine costly and timely procedure and probably in many other countries around the globe.

jerryb 09-10-2010 09:40 AM

I've also always wondered why, with so many sponsors with the $100 minimum payout, you end up getting to 85-95 dollars ... THEN NADA for months on end. :(

You wouldn't think it's possible that because you aren't a WHALE in sending hits their plan is to keep the 85-95 dollars and then some how, with a fancy script, re-direct your traffic to a 'we're selling hits - just name your fetish' - only 1.00 per 1000.

Been my suspicion for a few years. :mad:

tony286 09-10-2010 09:59 AM

The car business in the usa there were originally has 200 companies building cars in America.Now there are three. Also it seems alot of the sponsors that went bye were in the card banging biz not the porn biz.

Paul Markham 09-10-2010 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Alprazolam (Post 17488372)
maybe for your shitty content, but i know many programs still rebilling on the same cycles as many years ago. god you really are out of touch.

My shitty content was often making up to 10 times what programs were paying for exclusive content. Without a single sale on the Internet. And there's your problem. Sponsors spent so much to get a sale, they squeezed the price they paid for content. Name the Custom Shooters making $3,000 from a single set without a video and still own that set if you disagree. Not bad for someone shooting shitty content. :1orglaugh

Even Twistys don't pay t$3,000 a set. And that's why good shooters never turned to the Internet until they had nothing else.

My argument isn't that traffic isn't important, it is and only fools accuse me of saying other wise. My argument is that we spent too much getting it and left the customers needs behind. The level of innovation, imagination, uniqueness and porn quality in content creation is poor. So why would anyone want 30 days recurring of that stuff. Unless he had to.

And you can't base an industry on that.

quiet 09-10-2010 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 17488309)
Deja vu. I think I've read this same thread six times since 1996.

more like 100. traffic easy to get. LOLOLOL.

quiet 09-10-2010 10:10 AM

and i made millions and millions on exclusive video content. first you get the traffic, then you get the content. then you make the money. then you get the girl.

Redrob 09-10-2010 10:12 AM

.XXX passing and having to pay $60 per domain for the pleasure of being "responsible."

Send in you email to ICANN now showing your support for FSC's position. Don't be afraid if you name is already on the .xxx registry list. Everybody's is. Protecting your domains is ok.


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Originally Posted by Redrob (Post 17486698)
<A convenient copy and paste letter for your convenience. Be sure to change the color of your text if needed.>

Email to>[email protected]


Dear ICANN,

I am a member of the .XXX sTLD sponsored community. I do not support ICM's application for the .XXX sTLD.

I request that ICANN does the following:
1. Verify that companies which ICM has listed in support are viable adult businesses,
2. Verify that companies listed in support in fact do support ICM?s current application for a .XXX sTLD,
3. Determine how many pre-registrations claimed by ICM are in fact defensive registrations,
4. Determine how many pre-registrations are registrars or companies hoping to re-sell domain names.

Additionally, I also request the following information also be released as requested in the DIDP from the FSC:
1. The list of the IFFOR Board members;
2. The list of proposed members of the Policy Council;
3. IFFOR?s Business Plan/Financials;
4. Business Plan/Financials Years 1-5 utilizing 125,000 Initial Registrations;
5. The list of .XXX sTLD pre-registrants who have been identified to ICANN;
6. ICM?s Proof of Sponsorship Community Support as submitted to ICANN.

<INSERT ADDITIONAL PERSONAL COMMENTS and email to>[email protected]


Stephen 09-10-2010 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17488018)
2010 is just the start. 2011 is going to be worse.

Sadly, agreed.

Adult has a bright future. Just not for a lot of the folks in it today :2 cents:

Paul Markham 09-10-2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 17488673)
traffic easy to get. LOLOLOL.

Tubes proved how easy it was. The problem was getting enough traffic to get a sale and what it cost to get that traffic. How many took one look at your site and went away?

And you were one of the successful ones.

RAM 09-10-2010 10:16 AM

The world has been ending since it began, you have been dieing since you were born !

Hang in there and this to shall pass :)

The Trash Heap 09-10-2010 10:19 AM

I'm doing awesome. Sign ups are steady, rebills are good. I love 2010!

Looks like you people are doing something wrong.

MaDalton 09-10-2010 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by holograph (Post 17488540)
a lot of these other 60% have epass as only aval. option for them being able to conduct online biz. for instance getting and cashing western checks in Eastern Europe i imagine costly and timely procedure and probably in many other countries around the globe.

not sure what you consider Eastern Europe but here in CZ it's no problem. it's just that it's really old fashioned and a hassle to run to the bank when you usually can do everything online

JP-pornshooter 09-10-2010 10:34 AM

well here is a reality check..
the general economy and business has improved over last year and is improving as we speak.
however adult is a different animal altogether, Shap mentions a turning point, which i think is very optimistic, i doubt there is a turning point... it is a slide.
look at it this way, those who got into adult in 2001 had huge opportunities, made loads of bank, those who got in in 2006 still had very good money making opportunities, and even in 2010 it is easier to make money in adult compared to any other (legal) industry.
If the adult community cant get together and control the content/piracy/free content then in a few years the industry will consist of perhaps 3 or 4 very large entities and i dont believe they will give a shit about affiliates...

Shap 09-10-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Slutboat (Post 17488373)
Maybe Twistys needs to diversify...people must be tired of mannequin porn

Twistys is doing fine. We have built up a very loyal following and have carved out a little niche that we seem to own. I think our dedication to our members is the main reason for it.

GayTube is doing record revenue month after month.

Business is good for us. It's losing money that is mine that pisses me off real bad.

Shap 09-10-2010 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiet (Post 17488685)
and i made millions and millions on exclusive video content. first you get the traffic, then you get the content. then you make the money. then you get the girl.

LOL I agree with that except somehow I got the girl first lol

Shap 09-10-2010 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 17488795)
well here is a reality check..
the general economy and business has improved over last year and is improving as we speak.
however adult is a different animal altogether, Shap mentions a turning point, which i think is very optimistic, i doubt there is a turning point... it is a slide.
look at it this way, those who got into adult in 2001 had huge opportunities, made loads of bank, those who got in in 2006 still had very good money making opportunities, and even in 2010 it is easier to make money in adult compared to any other (legal) industry.
If the adult community cant get together and control the content/piracy/free content then in a few years the industry will consist of perhaps 3 or 4 very large entities and i dont believe they will give a shit about affiliates...

I don't feel the economy has improved at all.

Captcha 09-10-2010 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17488045)
You know I think 2010 = the beginning of the storm. And 2011 is when the Cat 5 Hurricane hits.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17488057)
absolutely.

i've been saying this since '07 or '08.... the bad times are here until at least 2015.

for me its Ok, whatever.... the world ends in 2012

Paul Markham 09-10-2010 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiet (Post 17488685)
and i made millions and millions on exclusive video content. first you get the traffic, then you get the content. then you make the money. then you get the girl.

And when did you start and when did you get out?

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter
look at it this way, those who got into adult in 2001 had huge opportunities, made loads of bank, those who got in in 2006 still had very good money making opportunities,

Anyone who made millions starting in 2001 would be lucky and talented to survive a year today. Up until a couple of years ago traffic was still easy to get and in many cases was increasing. What was sliding was sales. In the last 2 years even traffic has fallen.

Falling traffic x falling sales = 2010

J. Falcon 09-10-2010 11:11 AM

Crisis = Opportunity

Socks 09-10-2010 11:20 AM

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quiet 09-10-2010 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17488916)
And when did you start and when did you get out?



Anyone who made millions starting in 2001 would be lucky and talented to survive a year today. Up until a couple of years ago traffic was still easy to get and in many cases was increasing. What was sliding was sales. In the last 2 years even traffic has fallen.

Falling traffic x falling sales = 2010

started in 96, worked 100 hours a week all the way till 2005. and i still push traffic, to this day, and make good money from it (not that i need it). auto pilot baby.

HorseShit 09-10-2010 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17488134)
webmasterchecks and epass were a huge hit to the industry, it almost seems like the government is trying to regulate us out or business by going after the money instead of the content.

Not almost. They are. Big difference.
Governments are going after offshore, tax evasion, anonymous debitcards/creditcards.
So they MAKE Visa and banks do shit like this most likely.

Netherlands in on USA's whitelist. Curacao in Dutch Antilles is now independant.... Fortis (a former Belgian bank) will merge this weekend with ABNAMRO bank. ABNAMRO is owned by the Dutch government. Holland have a tax treaty with USA and EU governments agreed to give all bank info to US that they request. ACTA is being build by 20+ goverments to come up with new laws for the internet and how to regulate it better and tax it.

Now everyone will give their bank details and passports and money will arrive thru banks because people are scared and react in fear. Goverments ask banks to report any wires coming in from epass. Bingo.

Hope I am wrong.

SomeCreep 09-10-2010 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17488804)
2010 Has Turned out to be WAY Worse for the industry than I expected. What's next?

The only constant in life is change. So what's next? Change.

Supz 09-10-2010 11:43 AM

I guess I could say as far as the payout method is concerned, I live in the US. So I get checks and deposit them. I would never rely on an outside system like epass to get my money. Just by reading this board for the last few years I see a lot of the bad comes from these financial companies.

As far as sponsors are concerned. You do have to test the waters with sponsors to see how your traffic is working, but I think people should try to stick with a smaller base of companies that have been around for a while and pay all the time (not including CCBill sponsors). It costs more money now to start a new business and run it then it ever has in the past. Companies who have been around for longer already have there investments covered. But I guess at the rate things are going now, you never know who is going to close shop. I know as long as I keep building more sites and putting more content out there. My traffic will still grow and no matter what. Traffic is still king. You may night be getting as many paysite affiliate sales. But you do have the traffic and have to find other way to monetize it.

will76 09-10-2010 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17487951)
2010 has been really crazy. I knew things would be rough but I don't think anybody expected things to get as crazy and bad as they have.

Money that is earned and owed is VANISHING in thin air.
- Sponsors are closing up shop and not paying out the last amounts owed.
- Webmaster Checks gets accounts frozen. Sponsors still have not received a penny of their own money back from Webmaster Checks.
- Epassorte

Before this Epass situation I had already been screwed for more in 2010 than all of my 14 years in adult COMBINED! This shit is crazy and I know it's only the tip of the iceberg. We are nowhere near the turning point imo.

I'm taking this epassporte situation as a HUGE Wake Up Call. We run a tight ship here but I'm going to tighten things up even more. Going to really be careful with who I do business with and that includes sponsors, affiliates, billers, whatever.

Have recent events changed how you are going to run your business moving forward?

What's next is 2011... :Oh crap It will get even worse. Next year most people will be thinking 2010 wasn't that bad. Just like people now are looking back to 2009 and 2008 and reminiscing...

"recent events" has prevented people from going forward. I see a huge purge of people from this industry over the nxt couple years, which will be good for those of us who stick it out.

Shap, you are pretty well insulated with your good tube names/sites. You have in house traffic and can sell ads, promote your own sites, be a cams and dating affiliate etc... with little to no cost to you. 9 out of 10 other companies don't have that, if you see how your income sales are going, most other companies are 10x worst off.

Rename the porn business to " the last man standing ".

Paul Markham 09-10-2010 11:59 AM

This is why I do not believe the answer is in traffic.

Getting traffic has nearly always meant putting up more free content. Now we are competing with 10 or so major Tubes giving away full scenes. To compete at that level are we to give away even more free full length scenes?

If your only answer is yes, you're running into a brick wall. Because one of the reasons sales are falling is TOO MUCH free content on the Internet. Adding to it will mean the surfer has even more options to NOT BUY.

We need to convert more of the traffic we have, not give the surfer less reasons to buy.

Shap 09-10-2010 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17489130)
What's next is 2011... :Oh crap It will get even worse. Next year most people will be thinking 2010 wasn't that bad. Just like people now are looking back to 2009 and 2008 and reminiscing...

"recent events" has prevented people from going forward. I see a huge purge of people from this industry over the nxt couple years, which will be good for those of us who stick it out.

Shap, you are pretty well insulated with your good tube names/sites. You have in house traffic and can sell ads, promote your own sites, be a cams and dating affiliate etc... with little to no cost to you. 9 out of 10 other companies don't have that, if you see how your income sales are going, most other companies are 10x worst off.

Rename the porn business to " the last man standing ".

I know. We've been talking to a lot of companies that are close to us and they've been telling me how they are doing and it's scary. I see how segments of our business are doing and it isn't pretty.

Far-L 09-10-2010 12:22 PM

Homegrown Video's loves amateur porn and this sagely chinese proverb
 
"There is great chaos underneath the Heavens and opportunities abound" - think that one was a Lao Tzu nugget but my memory may fail me there

And Sun Tzu offered this choice one...

"Victory is living long enough to see the bodies of your enemies floating by in the river"


Shap - please email me when you have a chance, timlake a homgrownvideo d com.

Shap 09-10-2010 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 17489251)
"There is great chaos underneath the Heavens and opportunities abound" - think that one was a Lao Tzu nugget but my memory may fail me there

And Sun Tzu offered this choice one...

"Victory is living long enough to see the bodies of your enemies floating by in the river"


Shap - please email me when you have a chance, timlake a homgrownvideo d com.

Got the email. My work week got derailed this week. I'll get back to you :thumbsup

PenisFace 09-10-2010 01:34 PM

I don't mind the shrinking of the affiliate industry, really. I don't get as much writing work, but the people I get it from are the people who really stick with it and are doing well. It's nice because the people I'm writing for know what they are doing and what they want, which makes my life much easier :)

Shap 09-10-2010 01:35 PM

Oddly enough I think the sponsor pool is shrinking much faster than the affiliate pool is.


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