lol you mean there are people out there who aren't living paycheck to paycheck ? :winkwink:

As long as porn is free its going to keep spiraling its just that simple.
the new generation of surfers know exactly where and how to get it free. now even old timers get it free just by googling.

just ask anyone one you know why they dont pay for porn. not one will say cross sales, economy etc. they will all say why its free.

it is the only problem:2 cents:

people still by alcohol, crack and cigs etc. because they cant get it free and the prices are going up not dropping

You were one of those guys that his model was right in your face on a daily basis. No one had the balls, common sense, or intelligence to duplicate it for a very long time.

One man was producing more bandwidth and traffic than most of the adult players.

Hats off to you...

As long as women are stuck in this evolutionary tail spin, and only have 3 orifices suitable for penetration, we will keep spiraling.

Blame it entirely on the free porn all you want... I attribute a lot of it to over saturation. It is not new anymore and people have been so desensitized to porn that nothing is new... Same three holes.

To blame it on free porn is like saying that hair bands from the 90's died because of easy duplication of cassette tapes. That Grunge died because of Napster. Over saturation and people's ability to watch/listen to the same shit over and over fades after seeing/hearing it for 10 years straight.

alcohol isnt oversaturated and same with legal drugs etc? yet they are all growing strong.

bring back the taboo and cut off the free supply then watch conversions get better.

but it might be to late just way to much free porn.

Glad I changed my business model :2 cents:

if I was a huge tube owner I would continue to blast free porn till most programs went under then tighten the faucet and convert them in-house.

whats that suppose to mean?

I have never given more thought to going full mainstream more than I am right now.

i would have never made that far with out you sir. hats off vice versa.

Why traffic isn't the answer.

The traffic theory has never worked except when it was supported by millions of new surfers coming online. This is proven in your stats, while traffic increased ratios dropped. Today there is no big increase in new traffic. So now we have a double whammy, traffic dropping or leveling off and ratios worsening.

There is very little new traffic of any value. A lot of the new traffic heads straight to Tube sites and other free sites.

The amount of new traffic available is small, the major Tubes will take the lions share. What's left is even less.

If one person increases his traffic, it works great, if 100 do it it's nice. If 1,000 or more try it they're treading water while ratios worsen. Because if "A" increases his traffic "B" looses it. If "A to Z" increase their traffic no one is better off. (Numbers to illustrate the point.)

The only way this industry knows how to get more traffic is to put out more free content.

So we now rely on a seasoned buyer for our income. He's the guy putting money on the table, NO ONE else brings money to this industry. He's the guy we need to worry about and find ways to bring him back to buying. Spending more money, time and resources on getting more traffic is not working.

This thread illustrates the business sense in this business. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=922293
Only one year ago all the bros were praising this guy for putting out a new Tube site. The fact it was license content or not, is immaterial to this industries bottom line. It was still taking buyers away from buying. Now some of the bros are eating their words.

Traffic isn't God. $$$$ are what matters and traffic is merely one tool to get it. When it's worshiped as a God it harms the industry. Because getting traffic too often leads to giving buyers less reasons to buy.

Partly I agree with you. But this has always been the case. One pussy looked very much like the next when I was shooting back in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Today they look a bit different, less hair. LOL

The success we had then was largely based on the lack of supply (saturation). Today anyone can open a site and point a camera. Not that pointing a camera was hard 20 years ago, getting the exposure and focus right was not hard either. What sunk most people who tried was they really didn't have a clue what they were shooting. Today they put up a website or sell to a website.

What is needed in innovation, imagination and creativity when shooting porn in a saturated market. Tough to do that when sponsors think $500 for a solo girl scene is too much money. And the shooter and model should do 5 scenes in a day to make a living. Same goes for GG and BG. A similar attitude applies to a lot of people shooting for their own sites.

Today we mostly produce bland filler content and the buyers ain't buying it.

need traffic to get $$$ . no traffic no $$$ period. Rethink your logic.

I use epass for a reason. With my current schedule, if I was issued a check, I wouldn't be able to cash it until early November... I'd rather wait and see how epass pans out :2 cents:

So I hear you have wires at about $10 per wire, yes? Why didn't you say so before!

Like Shap said. This year resulted in more money being stollen than all my online career combined.

And as far as all the people with a crystal ball in their hand I have to say, sssshure. In 2010 money won't go anywhere. It will be there. Pick it up.

Since this is only my 2nd year as a Program Owner/Paysite Operater I can honestly say it's all been up, up, up for PeabodyCash. Of course, going from 0 to X isn't hard. LOL MAINTAINING the sales, now there's the challenge in today's world.

Where do I say you don't need traffic?

My statement showed the logic of thinking traffic is the answer, nothing about ignoring it completely. What is needed is sign ups, if the only way we have of getting more sign ups is getting more traffic then we as an industry are screwed. Because there is not much new traffic of value to be found.

No content no $$$$$ period. Turning your logic around. :winkwink:

Even a text link needs to send traffic to a site with content to get a sign up. Text is still content, so it includes sites selling nothing but stories. :winkwink:

yeah, it's the same since 2001

there is still more than enough fresh traffc that converts out there

Which is why everyone is doing great. :Oh crap

100% agree and I personally follow it

Thanks for the quotes! :thumbsup

What most people completely disregard is that without all the free content, there would be virtually no traffic, people would have never gotten used to porn online as much as they have and would have never looked for it this much.

So, sure, kill off the free content, conversions will rise. BUT traffic will drop like a rock too. You will end up at the same amount of $$ in porn each year as the last years... People will not suddenly spend for more porn online.

I'm sure very few people here agree, and I am also sure we will never find out since free content will never go away...

Porn has blown up in general, the internet created more content in a year than was available over a decade before. DVDs also made it even bigger than it was.

The other problem which this industry has with understanding what is going on, is that it is full and full of private companies. All public numbers in terms of sales, revenue, profit, traffic and so on are extrapolated out of thin air. Everyone in this industry loves bragging, virtually nobody tells the truth when it comes to their cashflow or related things.

You just have to look and see what people call the "big players" on the various message boards and then do some digging to notice that its all talk and noone really has any idea. You can not imagine to how many "big players" I talked to who ended up making 50 sales a day.

Then there is other companies which are very vocal and public in the press, which are talked about always, which are called "leaders" of the industry... and again, all numbers are just based on claims the owners make but if you dig around you notice that it does not add up at all.

There are only very very few companies that you know the size of and they are:
1) Private
2) Playboy
3) Penthouse/FFN
4) NOOF
5) Dreamnex (french)
6) Fundorado (german)

I might have missed one, but those are the main ones.
Revenue wise, only 2, 3, 4, 5 are decent. Profit wise only 4 and 5 are, 2 is ok but not great, 3 is horrible.
Private is not bad, but for what they have they could be much much better I think.

You could say these events are kicking out the small player, even bad players.
However it would also kick out legit webmasters that JUST make a living.
For me, it's not changed much. Scripts and promoting sponsors is as normal.

Someone was once told me "If the world will not adapt to you, then you need to adapt to the world".

There is no sex and even nudity allowed in most public places. Don't you think the same principle should or at some point in the future will be applicable to publicly accessible web sites?

My jaw dropped when I read this. It has to rank as one of the most stupidest statements ever.

How did porn ever become a multi billion dollar industry without giving it all away?

Then I read this and changed my mind, Nathan had out done himself.

Yes traffic will drop like a rock and conversion ratios will soar like a rocket. Free porn doesn't create the need to buy porn, it already exists. Give people too much free porn and they don't need to buy. The porn magazine industry made billions off the front covers, the video/DVD industry made billions off box covers. The Internet lost billions giving away too much free porn.

More content does not lead to more $$$$.

When selling there's a very big difference between teasing and satisfying a need. If the level of teasing porn consumers on the Internet was the same as a magazine cover or box cover, sales would sky rocket.

The shame is that people with little business sense thought they could buck that rule.

No, I do not think it will be. This is the web... It will only be so if it is easy to verify age online, for free, in a matter of seconds.. And then it no longer matters to us again.

Paul,

Very funny how you contradict yourself and disapprove and prove my statements at the same time...

As I said, online porn has grown for the past years, and continues to do so. It only became so big because it's soooo easy to find porn, and it's only soooo easy to find porn because people find the free stuff...

At least half the people that buy online would never ever have bought in a DVD store, or gone to strip clubs or anything like it... They just watched bad porn on tv once a month... Now we have a ton of porn consumers...

The reason people do not buy magazines is because they buy DVDs and videos. The reason people do not buy DVDs is because they watch porn online...

And you are correct, more content does not lead to more $$$, which is exactly what I said and what my point was... More content lead to less $$$$ per company.

And no sorry, the same principle for magazines does not work online, it simply never will. Why? Simple, because there would never be enough eyes on porn if it were.

The people with so little biz sense Paul, are the biggest porn companies on the web today... So you might want to rethink your position there...

You have to be pulling your information out of thin air. All DVD companies are saying the free porn on the Internet is hurting their sales. So where do you get the figure of half?

They are saying the reasons people do not buy DVDs is they are getting free porn online.

Yes exactly the same principal worked on the Internet as worked in DVDs and magazines. It used to work on the Internet until BW prices dropped so low people could put up sites giving it away to make sales on Dating Sites.

So wrong again.

Did I say porn on the Internet wasn't being watched by an increasing number of surfers and growing? I believe I said sales are falling. Another thing pulled out of thin air.

Paul, all DVD companies say that since they have no other person to blame. It would sound rather stupid for them to all say "ah you know, its because there are 500 more companies today, thats why we are making less".... blaming the evil free porn is so much more fun.

So because some DVD company claims something since its the easiest explanation its correct? That's too easy Paul, way too easy. It's like the movie industry blames lower DVD sales on the evil online torrent sites... bullshit too. I know nobody that before bought DVDs and now downloads torrents...

The same thing worked while there were no movies playable online, the second they were, free content started to draw in eyes... it was needed.

Sales are not falling though ;) They are actually growing, funky enough...

amen bro

Traffic is god. End of story.

Then again Paul not all of us can have magic join links like you :)

Well said and very true.

if traffic is god middle men should of been a hit it was all over the biggest tube on the planet.

i agree with my friend was looking to acquire a program and if u didn't know any better u would have thought they be doing 300 joins a day from all the hype, but it was more like 50 to 75 joins a day i was completely shocked

Targeted convertible traffic is God.

Kids without credit cards looking for Barney videos are worthless to a porn site just as a Barney dolls web site is to a 42 man with his pants at his ankles. :2 cents:

shut up fuck face.

A lot of the time, the talk focuses on the financial issue.

free content is killing who produces exclusive content.

lol
quietface

pretty easy problem to fix.

Gfy does nothing about out right racist comments

what did he say that was wrong?

With a working online debit card system, there is no problem, and thus no fix needed.

Some of us travel and spend a lot of time in foreign countries...

The wire is ON THE WAY. The money is in motion

http://i.imagehost.org/0737/bagdad_chris.jpg

Do you currently have a "working online debit card system" ?

hehe

The main problem is that too many of us are spending all of our time worrying about all the bad stuff that's coming instead of using their time to figure out ways to make money and make a bad situation profitable. We all know that shit is hitting the fan, but there's still plenty of $ to be made as long as you work hard. We can sit here and keep worrying and drive ourselves insane or we can focus more of our attention on making money, helping each other, stopping shit that fucks the customer around etc.. etc..

The storm may be coming, but it will not be the end of us.

Out of the three years I have been in the business this is the best one by far. I still could not quit my day job.

It's monday? Any news?

I'm in this business since 2007, but now I have to look for regular job, this year has been crazy. Big drop of sales in april and it is still the same. It is about 50% of last year that is the biggest problem for me, because even I have much more sites then last year I make less money so I cannot do adult as fulltime job anymore. And the fact that incredible dollars didn't pay me my money even more than month and half after payday and then this whole epass shit just made me sure that I cannot rely only on money from adult biz. I'm sure that the drop in sales is caused by tubesites, but we are apparently unable to do anything with that. I wont leave this biz completely, because there always will be money in this, but I'm going to focus on selling something that everyone cannot get for free just by typing redtubecom...