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Far-L 09-10-2010 02:04 PM

Homegrown Video is like the tao, when it is lowly it is at its peak
 
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17489272)
Got the email. My work week got derailed this week. I'll get back to you :thumbsup

Cool, thanks!

More Lao Tzu...

?Be careful what you water your dreams with. Water them with worry and fear and you will produce weeds that choke the life from your dream. Water them with optimism and solutions and you will cultivate success. Always be on the lookout for ways to turn a problem into an opportunity for success. Always be on the lookout for ways to nurture your dream.?

vicki 09-10-2010 02:22 PM

I think it's time to take a step back and look to old school. Although 90% of my banks haven't had issues, it's clear the 'offshore' banks are double dealing and Visa is pounding them hard for it. Quite frankly they (the bank's) should and DO know better, they're just straight up greedy.

anyhooo, having said that, there are still some very solid solutions available (and will continue to be available) outside the current & forcasted storms.

just my years of dealing with international banks speaking : )

DaddyHalbucks 09-10-2010 02:55 PM

Hope and change.

:(

Far-L 09-10-2010 03:52 PM

homegrown video, sex is food people have to eat
 
Lao Tzu just tends to have the best stuff for these occassions... "As the soft yield of water cleaves obstinate stone, So to yield with life solves the insolvable: To yield, I have learned, is to come back again"

As of today, that is going to become a Homegrown Video company mantra, along with "sex is food, people have to eat" which I came up with on my own.

To follow that food analogy, look at grocers, which used to be largely mom and pop establishments but that has long ago given way to large controlling brand conscious supermarkets... and small niche specialty shops. If any of you think making a living on the margins left in adult is difficult you should look at how slim the margins are in the grocery business.

Ethersync 09-10-2010 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 17488795)
well here is a reality check..
the general economy and business has improved over last year and is improving as we speak.

I stopped reading here. You are wrong. Could not be more wrong.

brassmonkey 09-10-2010 04:13 PM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/image....ine=1284052100 kissing booth franchise :pimp :1orglaugh

Alprazolam 09-10-2010 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17489564)
Oddly enough I think the sponsor pool is shrinking much faster than the affiliate pool is.

lots less sponsors. easier to notice.

:2 cents:

affiliate pool is shrinking like mad too.

webgurl 09-10-2010 04:56 PM

lol what a depressing thread ..... makes me laugh but sad at same time <sigh>

WiredGuy 09-10-2010 05:02 PM

I think this year will clearly show who is surviving paycheck to paycheck and who has retained earnings that can absorb some large hits like we've been seeing. Good luck to all our survival!
WG

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 09-10-2010 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17487988)
Yeah for sure. I was just listing what has personally hit me.

I saw that vid in your sig the other day, I'm still laughing my ass off. i revisit it regularly for more... :!orglaugh

WiredGuy 09-10-2010 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 17488685)
and i made millions and millions on exclusive video content. first you get the traffic, then you get the content. then you make the money. then you get the girl.

Got 3/4 taken care of ;)
WG

The Trash Heap 09-10-2010 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17489142)
This is why I do not believe the answer is in traffic.

Well, because of everything YOU believe you are doing 2 signups a day. Maybe it's time to start listening to other people.

JP-pornshooter 09-10-2010 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter View Post
well here is a reality check..
the general economy and business has improved over last year and is improving as we speak.
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Originally Posted by Ethersync (Post 17490017)
I stopped reading here. You are wrong. Could not be more wrong.

i happen to have a finger in the global economy, not that i can change anything but believe me, the economy is rebounding. soon the price of oil will start increasing..

Major (Tom) 09-10-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17487951)
2010 has been really crazy. I knew things would be rough but I don't think anybody expected things to get as crazy and bad as they have.

Money that is earned and owed is VANISHING in thin air.
- Sponsors are closing up shop and not paying out the last amounts owed.
- Webmaster Checks gets accounts frozen. Sponsors still have not received a penny of their own money back from Webmaster Checks.
- Epassorte

Before this Epass situation I had already been screwed for more in 2010 than all of my 14 years in adult COMBINED! This shit is crazy and I know it's only the tip of the iceberg. We are nowhere near the turning point imo.

I'm taking this epassporte situation as a HUGE Wake Up Call. We run a tight ship here but I'm going to tighten things up even more. Going to really be careful with who I do business with and that includes sponsors, affiliates, billers, whatever.

Have recent events changed how you are going to run your business moving forward?

TBH, we just got back to our peak which was the end of 08 and things are picking up even past that. This month should be our best ever and it's a 30 day month. The graph looks good. I'm excited and am eager for 2011
Duke

Major (Tom) 09-10-2010 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipecrew (Post 17488386)
what's scary is contacting all these epass affiliates and telling them they need to change to another payment method in order to get paid and seeing only like 40% of them give a shit and change.

yea thats odd. I'm with you there
ds

Si 09-10-2010 05:41 PM

I would love to see what the results of these kind of threads would be for other industries.
And I Wouldn't mind putting money on the fact that almost every business in the world is shitting itself right now.

The world has never seen such a big rise in the economy and such a big fall in this small space of time.

I would say we are going through a period of calm and things will gradually continue upwards afterwards. Stay put and be reserved.

Major (Tom) 09-10-2010 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17489564)
Oddly enough I think the sponsor pool is shrinking much faster than the affiliate pool is.

That's a good thing.
ds

IllTestYourGirls 09-10-2010 05:45 PM

Traffic is god.

LeivaMedia 09-10-2010 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17488045)
You know I think 2010 = the beginning of the storm. And 2011 is when the Cat 5 Hurricane hits.

I think the hurricanes start early look this incredible http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/986560-aw-fuck-runnin-godaddy-sale.html

nikki99 09-10-2010 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17488018)
2010 is just the start. 2011 is going to be worse. Bookmark that statement.

been reading this shit for the last 7 years

will76 09-10-2010 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 17490190)
I think this year will clearly show who is surviving paycheck to paycheck and who has retained earnings that can absorb some large hits like we've been seeing. Good luck to all our survival!
WG

lol you mean there are people out there who aren't living paycheck to paycheck ? :winkwink:

RogerV 09-10-2010 08:47 PM

As long as porn is free its going to keep spiraling its just that simple.
the new generation of surfers know exactly where and how to get it free. now even old timers get it free just by googling.

just ask anyone one you know why they dont pay for porn. not one will say cross sales, economy etc. they will all say why its free.

it is the only problem:2 cents:

people still by alcohol, crack and cigs etc. because they cant get it free and the prices are going up not dropping

davidd 09-10-2010 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 17489015)
started in 96, worked 100 hours a week all the way till 2005. and i still push traffic, to this day, and make good money from it (not that i need it). auto pilot baby.

You were one of those guys that his model was right in your face on a daily basis. No one had the balls, common sense, or intelligence to duplicate it for a very long time.

One man was producing more bandwidth and traffic than most of the adult players.

Hats off to you...

davidd 09-10-2010 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV (Post 17490725)
As long as porn is free its going to keep spiraling its just that simple.

As long as women are stuck in this evolutionary tail spin, and only have 3 orifices suitable for penetration, we will keep spiraling.

Blame it entirely on the free porn all you want... I attribute a lot of it to over saturation. It is not new anymore and people have been so desensitized to porn that nothing is new... Same three holes.

To blame it on free porn is like saying that hair bands from the 90's died because of easy duplication of cassette tapes. That Grunge died because of Napster. Over saturation and people's ability to watch/listen to the same shit over and over fades after seeing/hearing it for 10 years straight.

RogerV 09-10-2010 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by davidd (Post 17490776)
As long as women are stuck in this evolutionary tail spin, and only have 3 orifices suitable for penetration, we will keep spiraling.

Blame it on the free porn all you want... I attribute most of it to over saturation. It is not new anymore and people have been so desensitized to porn that nothing is new... Same three holes.

To blame it on free porn is like saying that hair bands from the 90's died because of easy duplication of cassette tapes. That Grunge died because of Napster. Over saturation and people's ability to watch/listen to the same shit over and over fades after seeing/hearing it for 10 years straight.

alcohol isnt oversaturated and same with legal drugs etc? yet they are all growing strong.

bring back the taboo and cut off the free supply then watch conversions get better.

but it might be to late just way to much free porn.

Glad I changed my business model :2 cents:

if I was a huge tube owner I would continue to blast free porn till most programs went under then tighten the faucet and convert them in-house.

Zester 09-11-2010 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync (Post 17488054)
Unfortunately I think you are right and not just about the porn biz...

whats that suppose to mean?

V_RocKs 09-11-2010 05:51 AM

I have never given more thought to going full mainstream more than I am right now.

quiet 09-11-2010 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by davidd (Post 17490756)
You were one of those guys that his model was right in your face on a daily basis. No one had the balls, common sense, or intelligence to duplicate it for a very long time.

One man was producing more bandwidth and traffic than most of the adult players.

Hats off to you...

i would have never made that far with out you sir. hats off vice versa.

Paul Markham 09-11-2010 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 17490325)
Traffic is god.

Why traffic isn't the answer.

The traffic theory has never worked except when it was supported by millions of new surfers coming online. This is proven in your stats, while traffic increased ratios dropped. Today there is no big increase in new traffic. So now we have a double whammy, traffic dropping or leveling off and ratios worsening.

There is very little new traffic of any value. A lot of the new traffic heads straight to Tube sites and other free sites.

The amount of new traffic available is small, the major Tubes will take the lions share. What's left is even less.

If one person increases his traffic, it works great, if 100 do it it's nice. If 1,000 or more try it they're treading water while ratios worsen. Because if "A" increases his traffic "B" looses it. If "A to Z" increase their traffic no one is better off. (Numbers to illustrate the point.)

The only way this industry knows how to get more traffic is to put out more free content.

So we now rely on a seasoned buyer for our income. He's the guy putting money on the table, NO ONE else brings money to this industry. He's the guy we need to worry about and find ways to bring him back to buying. Spending more money, time and resources on getting more traffic is not working.

This thread illustrates the business sense in this business. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=922293
Only one year ago all the bros were praising this guy for putting out a new Tube site. The fact it was license content or not, is immaterial to this industries bottom line. It was still taking buyers away from buying. Now some of the bros are eating their words.

Traffic isn't God. $$$$ are what matters and traffic is merely one tool to get it. When it's worshiped as a God it harms the industry. Because getting traffic too often leads to giving buyers less reasons to buy.

Paul Markham 09-11-2010 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by davidd (Post 17490776)
As long as women are stuck in this evolutionary tail spin, and only have 3 orifices suitable for penetration, we will keep spiraling.

Blame it entirely on the free porn all you want... I attribute a lot of it to over saturation. It is not new anymore and people have been so desensitized to porn that nothing is new... Same three holes.

To blame it on free porn is like saying that hair bands from the 90's died because of easy duplication of cassette tapes. That Grunge died because of Napster. Over saturation and people's ability to watch/listen to the same shit over and over fades after seeing/hearing it for 10 years straight.

Partly I agree with you. But this has always been the case. One pussy looked very much like the next when I was shooting back in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Today they look a bit different, less hair. LOL

The success we had then was largely based on the lack of supply (saturation). Today anyone can open a site and point a camera. Not that pointing a camera was hard 20 years ago, getting the exposure and focus right was not hard either. What sunk most people who tried was they really didn't have a clue what they were shooting. Today they put up a website or sell to a website.

What is needed in innovation, imagination and creativity when shooting porn in a saturated market. Tough to do that when sponsors think $500 for a solo girl scene is too much money. And the shooter and model should do 5 scenes in a day to make a living. Same goes for GG and BG. A similar attitude applies to a lot of people shooting for their own sites.

Today we mostly produce bland filler content and the buyers ain't buying it.

will76 09-11-2010 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17491672)
Why traffic isn't the answer.

The traffic theory has never worked except when it was supported by millions of new surfers coming online. This is proven in your stats, while traffic increased ratios dropped. Today there is no big increase in new traffic. So now we have a double whammy, traffic dropping or leveling off and ratios worsening.

There is very little new traffic of any value. A lot of the new traffic heads straight to Tube sites and other free sites.

The amount of new traffic available is small, the major Tubes will take the lions share. What's left is even less.

If one person increases his traffic, it works great, if 100 do it it's nice. If 1,000 or more try it they're treading water while ratios worsen. Because if "A" increases his traffic "B" looses it. If "A to Z" increase their traffic no one is better off. (Numbers to illustrate the point.)

The only way this industry knows how to get more traffic is to put out more free content.

So we now rely on a seasoned buyer for our income. He's the guy putting money on the table, NO ONE else brings money to this industry. He's the guy we need to worry about and find ways to bring him back to buying. Spending more money, time and resources on getting more traffic is not working.

This thread illustrates the business sense in this business. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=922293
Only one year ago all the bros were praising this guy for putting out a new Tube site. The fact it was license content or not, is immaterial to this industries bottom line. It was still taking buyers away from buying. Now some of the bros are eating their words.

Traffic isn't God. $$$$ are what matters and traffic is merely one tool to get it. When it's worshiped as a God it harms the industry. Because getting traffic too often leads to giving buyers less reasons to buy.

need traffic to get $$$ . no traffic no $$$ period. Rethink your logic.

fuzebox 09-11-2010 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pipecrew (Post 17488386)
what's scary is contacting all these epass affiliates and telling them they need to change to another payment method in order to get paid and seeing only like 40% of them give a shit and change.

I use epass for a reason. With my current schedule, if I was issued a check, I wouldn't be able to cash it until early November... I'd rather wait and see how epass pans out :2 cents:

McSpike 09-11-2010 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pipecrew (Post 17488386)
what's scary is contacting all these epass affiliates and telling them they need to change to another payment method in order to get paid and seeing only like 40% of them give a shit and change.

So I hear you have wires at about $10 per wire, yes? Why didn't you say so before!

McSpike 09-11-2010 09:55 AM

Like Shap said. This year resulted in more money being stollen than all my online career combined.

And as far as all the people with a crystal ball in their hand I have to say, sssshure. In 2010 money won't go anywhere. It will be there. Pick it up.

The Porn Nerd 09-11-2010 12:28 PM

Since this is only my 2nd year as a Program Owner/Paysite Operater I can honestly say it's all been up, up, up for PeabodyCash. Of course, going from 0 to X isn't hard. LOL MAINTAINING the sales, now there's the challenge in today's world.

Paul Markham 09-11-2010 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17491790)
need traffic to get $$$ . no traffic no $$$ period. Rethink your logic.

Where do I say you don't need traffic?

My statement showed the logic of thinking traffic is the answer, nothing about ignoring it completely. What is needed is sign ups, if the only way we have of getting more sign ups is getting more traffic then we as an industry are screwed. Because there is not much new traffic of value to be found.

No content no $$$$$ period. Turning your logic around. :winkwink:

Even a text link needs to send traffic to a site with content to get a sign up. Text is still content, so it includes sites selling nothing but stories. :winkwink:

gooddomains 09-12-2010 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nikki99 (Post 17490680)
been reading this shit for the last 7 years

yeah, it's the same since 2001

gooddomains 09-12-2010 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17494063)
Where do I say you don't need traffic?

My statement showed the logic of thinking traffic is the answer, nothing about ignoring it completely. What is needed is sign ups, if the only way we have of getting more sign ups is getting more traffic then we as an industry are screwed. Because there is not much new traffic of value to be found.

No content no $$$$$ period. Turning your logic around. :winkwink:

Even a text link needs to send traffic to a site with content to get a sign up. Text is still content, so it includes sites selling nothing but stories. :winkwink:

there is still more than enough fresh traffc that converts out there

Paul Markham 09-12-2010 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by gooddomains (Post 17494148)
there is still more than enough fresh traffc that converts out there

Which is why everyone is doing great. :Oh crap

Hellfire 09-12-2010 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17487957)
2010 is (so far) pretty much exactly as I was expecting. No surprises here.

Adapt or die still applies.

100% agree and I personally follow it


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