$3 million on paperwork. $27 million on lawyers wives spending habits.

Lawyers aren't going to take on something huge like that on a no-win no-fee basis.

You didn't say copyrighted... but it's not called "Copyright INFRINGEMENT" for nothing...

I'm still looking for the specific law you are referring to. If it's out there please share. I see laws that prevent the ISP's from giving out personal information... but nothing directly stating a group of sites like yours, or even mine couldn't.

Yes, is you issue a fake DMCA you are breaking the law.

Jealous that you got a job and title for working with what most perceive to be the scum of the industry.

Yeah, totally jealous. :1orglaugh

They already are and are already making money. This is low hanging fruit. Especially when you go to pornbb and other surfer forums where the guy who did the upload is BRAGGING about it and then thousands of little surfer/thieves are in that same thread identifying themselves and saying "thanks" as they download it


Easy win.

I like vaginas!

Nice thread backfire. Thanks to everyone for the support.

Steve Lightspeed

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I used to masturbate so much to Tawnee Stone pics when I was sixteen :) Good luck with those lawsuits. Maybe one day this business will get in some more normal state than it is now. Internet is still very new thing and the law always needs time. Big part of USA was once wild west with almost no laws and now.. I'm sure that after some time it will not be so easy to steal on the internet so much. It needs only strong lobby, if politicians will be pushing such laws, after some time it will work.

i`ll take that for a NO right now

Here is a perfect example.

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=221444912

Can anyone guess who's content this is? Can anyone tell me who the girls are in this? I can since it's mine. I didn't uploaded it, it has been stripped of the Watermark that would normally be on it back to Extremehole.

Clear case of Copyright Infringement.

Nice that I didn't get a single hit of traffic from the 736746 views it's gotten so far....

Note the User who uploaded it... "anonymous" http://www.pornhub.com/users/anonymous A user who has uploaded 40,147 (public) videos, 11,765 (private) videos... Who would this "user" be?

Agreed. I sounded like a glorified FatFoo on that one. LOL Yes, torrent sites are differant than tubes but suing people for illegal activity is still a good idea as long as we still live in a society based on the Rule of Law.

Haha! Okay - fuck that reasoning. Dems and Repubs are proving there's only "law" for the little guys, like me. :)

Why? It works for all of the studios that sue the pirates and get big judgments. Then their lawyers go after the assets or work out a smaller cash deal.

That is so wrong, and yet it just keeps on going on, day after day.

The blood boils...

That is like saying Mark Cuban or even Steve Lightspeed is just a programmer a few years ago... Which all three were...

So, Nathan... Are you saying that you only fill your tubes with content given to you with permission from the studios supplying said content? Or are you still allowing surfers to upload 1,000 of pirated videos are hiding behind safe harbor laws?

I ask because it would seem that if you can do things without using the uploaded content, it'd be a win-win... You still have the largest tubes with hundreds of licensed videos and now nobody is getting screwed because you are sending joins for that content or just a lump sum payment.

Gerco, video will be gone tomorrow. Note the added date of 1 year ago, I did not own this back then..

As I have said in the past, and say over and over again, we are working on various changes. If you can not accept that those do not happen overnight, I can not help you.

candyflip, you are hilarious. I had some respect for you before, but that you actually follow the mob of idiots saying I am some kind of a puppet actually quite disqualifies you.

V_Rocks, same goes for you actually. I am not hiding behind anything... I'm in plain sight. And no, it would not be a win-win. Why, that is for me to know, and for you to find out.

I am not going to let myself get dragged into a useless discussion about the principles of DMCA. I am continuing my current route, and at some point will arrive at my end goal.

When these changes take place, will be announced.

I am nolonger going to react to the trolls that are just jealous, some of which know me personally or at least met me before in person (like V_Rocks) and can just not accept or not understand that there actually are hard working people here...

I particularly love the idiots who honestly seem to somehow think that since I have money I should be some dickhead who never again posts on GFY... hilarious.

I like Tawnee big time.

Nonsexual and silly candid shots of webcam models. Any questions?

Good for Steve, it's his biz, he can protect it the way he sees fit. Only people I see complaining are the ones with tube sites themselves.

Nothing like a 'great' look at me thread that serves no purpose than the OP wanting attention.

I still don't quite understand what it is you want, are you hoping Steve shows you the way of how to make money? Are you an affiliate waiting to send to his websites? What the fuck?

I have to say the only thing keeping me from branching out to other areas of porn is getting a headache trying to figure out how to make something that can compete with tubes. What Steve is doing should only be lauded, what harm is he doing? I'm sure the good will he's gaining from fellow webmasters is only part of the many positives.

Yes, I am just a sexy noob.

I hope Steve gives me the secret as well as a date with Jordan.

I thank you for the removal of the video, and yes, I do understand that it was put up before your takeover. The changes you are talking of are why I'm asking the questions I am. I'm trying to understand why it NEEDS to be so difficult. And on that note, I would think that making the system easier for content owners to start tracking down repeat offenders would be a good thing.

Blizzard entertainment recently stated they would start using peoples REAL names for chat in an effort to start combating some of the crap that goes on online with them, why is asking for information about the detail of a specific offender any different? Again, that offender is still protected by his/her IP and that still would require a subpoena to option any further information but at least it gives a starting point. I'm just saying... If you have a guy uploading a bunch of stuff, and you KNOW it's not his, via DMCA's etc, from say multiple parties where is it actually written that you could not provide his information?

I spend a good part of the day searching the web for any law that would prevent this... and so far have found none. So again, if one is there that you know of please share it.

Lots.

But neither the time nor the energy to worry about it. There are actual important questions relating to the industry that are far more important.

Welcome to the very first "green" I have ever put on the ignore list.

An interesting thought I had ok you can?t sue the Tubes because they are basically treated as an ISP. However, say one of these guys that are getting sued for uploading videos to the torrents got the video from the tube via a download from the Tube or for sake of argument took a screen recoding of it directly from the tube. The guy that gets sued goes to his attorney and says how can this pay site sue me I got that video from a tube site and they had share buttons all over the site so I thought they owned it and they were giving it away. His attorney says well maybe we should implead the tube into this. So the attorney basically files a claim against the tube in the case being brought against his client on the basis of yes my client may have did what he was accused of, but it was only because the Tube gave him the impression that they owned the rights to said video and encouraged him to share it with others. Now wouldn?t that be a hoot?

If you look on the "illegal" tube sites that have gay videos that is owned by Manwin or anyone else, you'll notice that companies like Corbin Fisher do not have videos that have been upload there.

Why?

Corbin Fisher will sue the tube and will either settle or take it to court and likely win. They have done it numerous times.

It's funny how owners of tube sites (*cough Fabian*) say that they do not monitor for copyright infringement but you do not find any videos of the sue happy companies on their sites.

Granted, the tubes usually comply with DMCA requests but it seems like the tubes do not repeatedly infringe on those studios like they do others.

Look, Fabian, I realize that my comments on the win-win where somewhat generalized. I know that your company has hard working people, namely you. I realize that user submitted content that is legal is useful and adds to the site big time. I am only talking about using loopholes in laws instead of being ethical. If you cannot understand that concept then something has changed in you because we have had previous conversations about ethic treatment of surfers and you surely understood ethics back then. Or maybe I am missing the context in which you are referring to DMCA?

epitome, learn DMCA. Specifically "Red Flag Knowledge" and "repeat infringer policy".

V_Rocks, I have to be honest, I had the same exact opinion as many of the people here about tubes before I bought Mansef and REALLY EDUCATED myself. We have an 80 page presentation done by a major law firm in the US for both sides of the fence of DMCA. After talking to them for 2 days, I now understand DMCA and the reason it exists and I understand why Tubes, in my opinion, are not using "loopholes"...

I am not going to explain everything to the t here, since it will just piss people off more, but this is a firm believe I have.

I would have no problem actually sitting down at a show with whoever wants to and discuss this in person, I stand by what I believe in. And I stand by this industry, even if some people here do not agree or think I am helping destroy it.

In my opinion, I am far from distroying it, I am simply building an insane network of traffic. More Unique Eyeballs are viewing porn today than EVER BEFORE in history! This is a win for us, everyone just needs to figure out how to best sell their products to them. We are, and we are successfully doing so too. As you have most likely seen, Brazzers ads are all over big-traffic-sites. The sites CONVERT if you give the surfer something they can not get on the tubes. Which is QUALITY FULL CONTENT that is UPDATED OFTEN.

We keep the quality of videos on the tubes low on purpose. Look at the damn things on our tubes, its horrible and grainy, I hate watching tube videos...

NO SHIT. Owning the biggest tubes must be a great advantage for YOU.

Simple question, since you know all about it. How did pornhub get so many videos uploaded so quickly when it was new? I'm sure the users just couldn't WAIT to upload to an empty site with no traffic, right?

Nathan, do you think SW will protect what they did for pornhub when they get cornered? It's SUCH a small world. :2 cents:

Steve Lightspeed

security enhancements are just going to hurt your sales more because users will be irritated with the lack of usability. Learn computers steve.

Grainy they may be but they are in most cases full scenes while the brazzers videos rarely exceed a few minutes.

So your right FULL content they cant get on tubes...it pretty brilliant actually.
Dilute the value of competitors while protecting the value of your own.

It seems this information has been deleted. Imagine the library of content, connection speed and the amount of work it takes to upload this amount of content. Not some surfer passing time.

Nathan if you seriously want to stop piracy think for a second. Who has this amount of content to upload to a tube site. Plus the other things.

Steve, what the old owners did is their problem not mine. I just want to fix possible mistakes, if any were made. They did buy a ton of licenses before phub was launched though.

Gerco, simply not true look at recent uploads... You think all those studios do this since it gets them nothing?

Paul, it needs 17 million surfers each day and roughly 100gbit/s.

Do the math.

Just tried to test pornhub and see how easy it is to upload content there as someone who does no own the content.

Registered with an email that hasn't my name in it, confirmed the registration, went back to the site and get a blank page.

Now pornhub only shows a blank page. Is this them trying to cut out uploaded content from people?

So is the "anonymous" uploader one person of lots of people? None I would bet have the license to upload. A good way to get rid of pirated content is to approve all uploaders. Won't break the DMCA law.

Ways to hurt Tube sites.

Educate surfers that the dating sites adverting on them are cons. Links to stories of these dating sites being sued and telling them how to contact lawyers suing these sites.

Explain how Geo Targeting enables a site to tell them about the "Girl in their Town" who is looking for them. Explain that they are conning surfers out of their money.

Stop sending traffic to any site connected to a Tube site. Advertiser or owner.

Sue uploaders and build a fund to go after the big Tubes to reveal who their uploaders are and sue them.

They will not go away by wishing them away. You might be earning a bit from Dating sites today, long term it will bounce back on you. In fact it already is.

This is like talking against a wall, lol...

Paul, will you be in amsterdam? Would love to chat in person..

The main things you guys just do not want to understand I think is:
1) Tubes are never going to go away again
2) If you kill a big tube, the traffic will just go to other smaller ones instead of going to your sites for some funky reason
3) You should be hoping that I buy more tube sites, since I, in contrast to everyone else, at least am willing to openly discuss this subject with you all...

Until you here in this thread that can not stop complaining, realize that you are a MINORITY feeling this way, you will never get out of your self dug hole-in-the-ground.

Wake up already...

Markham was talking about the RIAA burning money which they can only have done by paying for everything rather than on a no-win no-fee basis.

With all the thanks thanks thanks ego boosting seeming to be a large part of the sharing side of things I would have thought concentrating on nuking prolific uploaders files would have been a better way to go in stopping the sharing rather than chasing IP address lists later. If every time someone posts a new upload it becomes undownloadable in hours then their reputation will sink. Demoralise the uploader and they will find something else to spend their time on.

All things considered, I can't believe you of all people said that. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You're a total douche bag, no doubt about it, but I admire the size of your balls. They are big. :thumbsup

DWB, seriously, can you try posting something that is even less based on facts please? LOL

This is the typical, typical adult industry mentality...

Believe noone, build your own little reality, and stick to it for all its worth, even if you die doing so...

Sad.

Not sure what post of mine your referring to?

No I won't be in Amsterdam. But if I were I would love to share a beer with you. By pouring it over your head.

Agreed Tubes will never go away. However they can be curbed. By forcing them to open up about their uploaders and damaging the people who support them. Explaining to surfers that penis enlargements don't work and dating sites are a con would be a start. Stop sending traffic to those supporting you would also help.

Yes free porn from the beginning was a damage to this business. Fools keep posting "How do I get traffic if I don't give away free porn?" The answer is called called SELLING. The day they started on the "free porn" route they were doomed to end up losing their business to free porn.

It was obvious what would happen. Free site owners, affiliates and sponsors all competed to see who could give away the most free porn. That was the only way they knew how to get a sale. The fact that the more they gave away the worse their ratios got was ignored. The only thing that held them back was the cost of hosting. When that plummeted the end was clear. Sites were giving away as much as possible hoping to get a sign up of 1-1,000s. Supported by dating and cam sites.