That maybe true, so post some things, to prove me wrong ! Why knock, one of the good guys in this industry ? He may not be doing things the way you agree with, but he IS doing something, out of convition. NOT sitting by the sidelines and critisising:2 cents:

hee hee... try all that shit out on the IRS... it wasn't me, someone stole my ss card... my bank account, they were driving my car etc etc etc...

What gives you the impression that I'm angry? I even said "kindly" fuck off ....

If you think an IP address is the same as a bank account, I am awfully glad you aren't a tax lawyer.

Innocent until proven guilty, right? Or has that changed?

ok update your sites now it's 2010 not 99.

hi nathan... let me say as a producer I don't have a dog in this fight... other than the over all collapse of the on-line biz... which all my clients tell me is directly related to brazzers.

these are some pretty smart guys so I gotta think they aren't just paranoid, and they know what the fuck they are talking about... like when I take my car to the shop... I believe it when they tell me my tire is flat etc...

now one of the agencies I spoke with the other day just loves the fuck out of brazzers. tells me they are booking 20 scenes a month with you guys. (never mind the 50 scenes they aren't booking, or the 5 agencies and 20 production companies that have collapsed due to the over all loss of on-line sales)

I will say this though, you just sorta appeared out of nowhere with "I'm the new mysterious owner on manwhatthefck that sounds sorta like manwhothefuck with the exact same address and shit but we are not connected in any way" okay, I believe that... why not? I don't know you or your history etc etc etc.

now you're posting in threads with shit like "you are so stupid if you think you can stop torrents/tubes, we are not involved, we are fighting that shit like a flaming hot mother fucker and you have NO IDEA how lame you really are!!! that's cool, like I said... I'm sorta in the other end of the game and I don't really know you and I don't really have the insight into this other than what my my clients (like guys that have been around since 1997 and shit) tell me and the weird convoluted crap at GFY.

here's the thing though to me nathan, a little colloquium from down home if you will: "when you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the dog that yelps the loudest is the dog that got hit."

-bmb

have fun :winkwink:

I said so multiple times, the uploaders of infringing material.

If you have read all my posts, you would have seen that I agree with him on many of his points, just this single one I do not.

I far from sit by the sidelines.

Yes but you are annoyed and extremely aggressive about them now trying to go after infringers.

@bm bradley,

I am DIRECTLY mentioned over and over again, how can I possibly not be the dog that gets hit? Its a pack of one <G>....

I am posting this way since simply put I'm tired of hearing the same shit over and over again, the same unproven accusations and so on.

Your clients might all be from 1997, but so am I. I have a different opinion than your clients. First of all, simply because YouPorn was there long before PornHub, so I am a bit confused as to why PornHub is the evil one... But mainly really this is simply about the fact that noone can prove that its the tubes fault, it simply is the easy solution to a problem which, other than tubes, has solutions which make your clients look much worse than if they simply blame the tubes.

The factors for your so called decline (which is no decline, just a remix of the people that make the money, I honestly think this is the case) in my opinion are:
- Piracy (small factor in my opinion, if anything it slowed the growth down, if it even caused anything to that effect)
- Over saturation of the market
- Bad billing practices
- Low quality content (I'm wondering, how much does a scene cost you?)
- General laziness

People do not spend 50% more on porn because there is 50% more paysites out there. If you add 50% more paysites, the bad ones drop out, the good ones get more sales.. that's just how this whole thing called "the economy" works.

No I am not? I am aggressive about them going after torrent DOWNLOADERS. I do not call that infringers, sorry...

I'm wondering btw (and this is not geared towards you in particular, but everyone reading this)... how many people posting here have actually _NEVER_ downloaded a single torrent, OR _NEVER_ went to youtube.com ...

I am relatively SURE that _never went to youtube.com_ is going to be somewhere close to 0%.

So emm, should you all get sued now?

Holy shit Nathan, you are the one that is being thick now.

We are sueing people that WE downloaded our own copyrighted content FROM. Files like "Lightspeedgirls.com complete site rip". How the hell can they say they didn't know sharing the file was illegal?

who ever said fuck all about downloaders? You keep arguing about something that no one is doing.

I've never seen anyone thumb their nose at the whole industry the way you do. Hope that bites you in the ass soon.

Steve Lightspeed

I think Nathan thinks you guys are going after downloaders the way Metallica and others did.

Why? Youtube is VERY proactive about infringers. Adult tubes on the other hand are not. Nathan, please don't take offence to be pursuing this conversation with you. Unlike "some" other, I am not doing this to demean you or accuse you in any way. I am genuinely interested in figuring out the way you think.

You can't expect this argument of "if you use youtube" to hold water. If creators of content that winds up on youtube illegally want to pursue the same measures that Steve is taking then that is a risk that anyone, myself included, using youtube have to take. Youtube is not about wantonly abusing IP, adult tubes (illegal ones) are.

You'd need to compare apples to apples and porn tubes are youtube aren't really the same now, are they?

Steve, this thread is about the article. The article clearly talks about DOWNLOADERS of files. Not SEEDERS. That's all I am complaining about.. and I have said so many many times...

Won't bite me in the ass, sorry <g> since most people here understand it...
So I guess the article misunderstood or misquoted your lawyer when they compared it with going after drug addicts instead of drug dealers...

Problem with torrents obviously, anyone that downloads uploads some of the file usually also, even if only a little bit...

But this is a useless discussion anyway, since you 100% disagree with my stand on things it seems... so, I will just let it be.

unless downloadable media has member id embedded into it in all or some frames

Really? Where is this army of supporters you speak of? mlove? gideonIdiot? where are the posts from these big producers who are making so much money from submitting to your tubes?

Where are the posts supporting you *anywhere*?

Oh, I forgot. I just don't understand how this industry works. I'm just dumb that way...

Comparing YouTube and PornHub, I do not see the difference in the way you explain it?

Around 70% of our content comes from studio accounts. YouTube more or less is the same. We buy licenses to content all the time, as does YouTube. We have a very strict following of DMCA, as does YouTube; for example a repeat infringer policy. We are working on other things, as I have said in the past and keep saying again.

I see no real difference here.

Why do you say they are different?

Where is 80% of the industry? It for sure does not post on GFY at all..

I never said you do not understand how this industry works Steve... do not put words in my mouth..

holograph, yes, a good idea to find the ACTUAL pirate...

Looks like this thread backfired. ;)

Stealing (user submited content) is good 'stealing'.
Letting peole pay by a lawsuit for content is bad?

Both do it for the money. Some don't care they harm producers, other choose to get the money from the downloaders.
And it seems both ways are legal.

YouTube settled a lot of lawsuits when Google took over.

A huge % of videos on YouTube abuse IP and always have. You think all those 'fat people falling' videos came from the person recording? They were stolen from Americas Funniest Videos. Those UFC fights? Stolen. Those Boxing matches, football games, celebrities and even music videos are uploaded without permission.

You are a damn idiot, YouTube has already been sued over this. THEY WON.

You're referring to the "new" PornHub? Please don't treat me like an ignorant school kid Nathan; we all know the how, what and where of PornHub, at least prior to you taking over. You can't gloss over the fact that it was built on illegal enterprise and continued to be run that way until recently. We also know that a lot more than just 30% of the content on pornhub is there illegally.

I am attempting to have a rational discussion here stocktrader so calling me a damn idiot is just showing me and everyone else that the real idiot here is you! Can't you get through a conversation without being rude? If you can't find it within you to be dignified, then you too can "kindly" fuck off ...

RazorSharpe, how can I ever discuss anything about prior to me buying it? I have no magic knowledge of insider information from then. We took it over as is and are making sure we do everything in our power to comply with DMCA as fully as possible.

I am also not going to blame anyone on anything yet, simply not my place to do so, if you think you must, go ahead and do, I won't comment on it though.

When I talk about PornHub, I mean "my" PornHub, as in, post March 1st PornHub.

And I do not think 30% of the content is there illegally, I think 0% is there illegally.. but, noone here will ever believe me anyway...

You seem to be taking a "I'm gonna yell at everyone because I'm such a tough internet guy" approach.

Take off the psychedelic glasses man! I'm not yelling at anyone and I never claimed to be tough. Being able to spot an idiot with an agenda isn't considered being a tough guy!

You are dilusional if you think 80% of the industry is on your side of these issues. Will you be attending the Content Protection Retreat next month with all your loving supporters? I'm guessing not.

I know more about the internet than you ever will in your entire life.

What is my agenda? I don't own any pornographic websites anymore.

I am not saying 80% is on my side either...

I just know how many studios work with us, how many affiliates work with us, how many major adult companies work with us... and so on...

Steve, would you want me to come (as brazzers and mofos obviously)? Tell Allison that you want me to be there, and I'll be there, I already discussed the subject with her. We both thought the other parties would obviously not like us showing up, so we decided against it.

But it sounds like you want me to go?

He might not have the industry on his side, but he damn sure has the users on his side.

Here's what's going to happen with whatever crap your copyright protection retreat comes up with:

1) You'll never figure out how to implement any software protection.
2) It will be cracked within a week of initial use.
3) You'll piss off most of your actual customers when you restrict usability.

Normally people saying stuff like this, especially when their knowledge is not even called into questions, tells it's own story. Not to worry though, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and concede that you know more about the internet than I do. How exactly is this pertinent to you assuming I'm yelling at people or trying to be an internet tough guy?

fact is none of you cares if tubes are legal or not
you just deem them illegal because they cut into your bottom line.

You're calling me an idiot when I am smarter than you.

So you knowing about the internet makes you smarter than me? Using that logic you must also be smarter than Albert Einstein, Issac Newton, etc. Kudos!! Your sheer brilliance astounds me! I bow in reverence!!!

My point exactly. Why do you think the other attendees would not want you there? Because YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. We'll be working out ways to topple your new empire and reclaim what your tubes have stolen.

Since you are in this thread now, are you really playing dumb to the scraper software that was used to start pornhub? Saying its the "previous owners problem" won't cut it either. Its your problem now. Just asking, how can scraped content be considered "user uploaded"? Wouldn't that fuck up your safe harbor that you cling to?

@Nathan, the accusations I've heard against brazzers over the years were by far the scariest shit I ever heard, something along the lines of (now this is just the rumors that were flying a couple years ago that got everyone spooked, don't sue me) "sell us your content/site at 10 cents on the dollar or we will put your site up on pornhub so everyone gets it free"

Now I know this is pre-you being there, but that's the company you guys took over, this is why I think people have a negative attitude about you commenting on piracy, the company's reputation precedes you, obviously you guys are working to change that as well as their former billing practices and that's highly commendable.

Now I don't understand why you are so against what Steve is doing. I'm nobody's fanboy, but as long as what he's doing is legal, and he is busting people stealing his content, what's it to you?

LOL.. I'm looking forward to seeing your "topple" my "empire" or however you want to call it... This will be fun, no doubt. Looking forward to it.

And no, its not my problem now... sorry...

But yes, scraping obviously is illegal.. If it was done or not in the past, I can not comment on since I was not there at the time...

Is it being done right now? No it is not.