I have to disagree. There are far more than 20 programs doing 100+ signups a day.The quality guys are still doing very well ie Twistys, FTV, Nubiles, Met Art, etc.

How many of us "innocent ones" were caught in the "give everyone's content away for free" "approach" ?

C'mon Nathan, too easy.

I disagree. Going after the end user is a HUGE mistake. We have to win them back not alienate them. Btw I think Steve has said over and over he's not going after the end user.

Just want to add that surfers are way smarter than you think. You know 5 or 10 years ago it was true most people didn't know how to do shit on their computer. But now it's part of their lives and has been for some time. They know how to use it. Obviously there is a portion of users that have no clue but they are decreasing in size every day.

@nathan, I actually ran out and got donuts & coffee after all that talk about donuts LOL


@shap, ok, my 20 doing 100 was a bit low.. but still, I think the signups are less industry wide than they were before due to free porn, AND billing issues.

Yes NATS/MPA did make it easier to setup a program, maybe you guys are right, more programs doing more joins = less per program. You both see much bigger stats than me and have bro's in high places that know a shitload more than my bro's, then again both of you guys run big tube sites so I dunno if you are being completely honest or just taking one side of the argument because you have to.


Either way, time to make the donuts!

http://orangefizz.net/wp-content/upl.../03/donuts.jpg

oh, I maaaade the donuts..

If we are to believe 80% or 70% of your content is uploaded on pornhub is by content owners then it would follow that this content would have the domain in as a watermark and a banner or a link underneath it so the viewer can go straight to the content owners site.

So I went to your site and checked 20 of the videos on the top of your front page.

18 were full length.
17 had no content owners domain or any indication who created it.
3 did and of them 2 were just the titles at the beginning.

No where did I see a link to the content owner, only a link to the paid part of pornhub. So can you explain why these people give you content. Is it out of the good of their heart or are you lying?

Also I repeat YOU CARE NOTHING ABOUT RIPPING OFF YOUR SURFERS. Because to support Pornhub you sell them penis enlargements and dating sites. Which we all know are a con. So please no more crying about the wrong guy might get sued and lose money. You rip off your surfers so you care nothing about them.

Nathan will meet his demise with Sam and Daniel.

Guaranteed.

I just tell it how I see it. I think what has happened is a few things.

The guys that were doing 25 to 75 sales a day are HURTING BAD! Many are down to <10 a day.

Many of the 100s and 1000s of sales a day guys were shady. They were doing so thanks to dirty cross sells, banging cards etc. With tighter billing practices in place those sales have disappeared in many cases.

Is the industry doing less sales now than before? I would have to say yes. If you do not include cams and dating I can't see how the industry does more. I think for a while (maybe 3 years ago) the sales starting spreading amongst more companies and at that point there wasn't a drop but a spreading of sales. Now? It's a drop. No question about it in my opinion.

agree, have heard this from many programs that were in that niche.


There it is, the industry is doing less paysite sales in your opinion than 3 years ago, and only 2 things have changed in the last 3 years, billing crackdown AND the rise of the Tube model.

Really? Only two things have changed? Come on man. How about a little thing called the WORLD ECONOMY! Not to mention the rise of mainstream web. Online Gaming has exploded, Social Media has exploded.

People are hurting financially and have more free options (both in adult and non adult) to spend their time online. Tubes didn't help anything. But they aren't the only reason. Anybody who says they are looks as ridiculous as the person who says they haven't hurt.

Good point, economy is down, thought we were recession proof, sales didn't get hurt the last few dips, but this time banks were directly affected and cutting CC limits down, got one I don't use much cut from 25k to $500 with no notice and never having been late.

But I throw that in with the billing side of things ie customers being less billable than before. For example look at your initial charge & rebill success rates now vs. 3 years ago. In my books that's 20% less willingly billable people than we could have billed 3 years ago.

exactly, and it has now become a necessary evil.

I've heard from friends that own brick and mortar businesses that we are lucky our price point is $25. One friend owns a clothing store and they have seen a HUGE rise in declined credit cards most of the declines are in the $75 to $200 purchase price range.

Manwin sounds nervous...very nervous.

I've been around long enough to know nobody in this industry is ever nervous. The only time they are nervous is when they've lost it all. So I doubt they are nervous.

Steve how much are you asking people to settle for?

FWIW, one of Nathan's minions hit me up cold via ICQ yesterday. He wanted to discuss advertising on my network...

...if they're hitting up small fry like me you have to wonder what's up.

BTW, I told him to go fuck himself. :321GFY

Thats for the lawyers to work out. I think they are looking for around 2k each.

:2 cents::2 cents:

I think it's funny those idiot tube site owners claim no responsibility for all the illegal full length content on their sites. Try uploading to their tube site, it must first be approved before it goes live. 99.999% of all the illegal content was uploaded by the owners of the site, the other .001% were uploaded by others and then approved by the owners. :1orglaugh

NetDork you are not a smart human being - but I gotta say this was mostly true.

Paul,

just went through the first 3 rows on phub. Obviously under "Recent Videos" not "Being watched":
Out of 15 videos, video 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 14, 15 were all uploaded via branded studio accounts... so around 55% of those top 3 rows.

So not sure where you get your numbers from or what you look for...

Slutboat, oh yes, I am shivering in fear...

Qbert, right, almost broke here, no more money to buy real traffic... all sunk into hosting costs :/

Manwin please buy my tube site - I'm only asking 5 Million - thats lunch money to you guys!

If you buy my site I promise I will:

Upload stolen 30 minute videos (with the watermarks cropped off) 18 hours a day 7 days a week.

I will never tell anyone that Fabian wears a suit made entirely from the labia of runaway teens.

I will come to your offices and each day at noon and grind up live puppies in a meat grinder for your favorite Pomeranian Protein Punch.

I will even let you felch my hermaphrodite gardner.

Deal?

sweet if half settle that would 1 million per 1000 defendants.

A similar thing was being done over here in the UK by a games company. They were sending letters to people who had down loaded games and asking them to pay an amount of money or face going to court. It ended up being all over the news cause people who had never downloaded the game were geting letters. One of the guys went as far as taking his PC to a data recovery specialist to prove he had never downloaded the game and ended up counter suing along with the people who were also inncocent. It also hurt the lawyers who were sending out the letters.
Its a dangerous game to play and yes they were making money from it untill it all blew up in thier faces.... I would say just be carefull Steve

thanks for the tip

What we are doing is different. We are actually downloading our own content from the torrents, and recording who served it to us. That proves they both downloaded, and are resharing our files illegally.

The system also does lots of other things to eliminate false positives, and every ip generated is reviewed by hand before anything is done. They've done their homework and learned from other's previous mistakes.

yeah the new laws over here where piracy is concered with mainstream is the actual ISP can shut down and ban your connection after you have been warned. Not sure if this applies to porn though

That's the part that gets me. they have to claim no knowledge to be protected under Safe Harbor.

Safe Harbor Requirements
The DMCA, however, does not grant blanket protection from copyright infringement liability. The service provider may not take advantage of the DMCA's safe harbor provision if:

1) The service provider has actual knowledge that the material or an activity using the material on the system or network is infringing;

2) The service provider is aware of facts or circumstances from which infringing activity is apparent; or

3) The service provider does not expeditiously remove or disable access to the material upon obtaining such knowledge or awareness of the infringing material.

In addition, if the service provider has the right and ability to control the infringing activity and if the service provider receives a financial benefit directly attributable to the infringing activity, the service provider will not be protected by Section 512 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. If the service provider satisfies the above requirements of the DMCA and receives a proper notice of infringing material, the service provider must expeditiously remove or disable access to the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity.

Why not porn? Copyrighted porn or copyrighted christian ebooks, they both have same protection.

Wow. So that means that IF a tube or torrent or any other user upload freesite KNOWS for a fact that something is infringing then it is THEIR responsibility to clean up their own fucking site like the rest of the world?

So if there was a video on a tube site that is say....a Lightspeed vid, and the new owner KNOWS that Steve doesn't have an "account" with him and it was pointed out plainly to him right on this very forum including the URL to the offending vid on the tube site (because you know...the new owner doesn't know who Jordan is or Tawnee...even though he says he knows the online biz real well), then that tube site could actually NOT be protected by the safe harbor anymore?

Is that what you're saying? Damn. It sounds like that is something that hasn't even been worked yet.

There you go Hoss! You caught yourself a nice big fish there.

I agree completely :)

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I am realy not sure if it covers porn but I do know that they can also ban your ISP for watching illegal porn which includes hardcore BDSM or violent porn whether its simulated or not. They changed the porn laws here in 2008.

I am suprised the US does not do the same thing by banning users from ISPs TBH whether it is working or not I dont know

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesi...ornography-law

One law away from ending my business? What Law would that be? 1st Amendment and all that, no?

In Holland the government last year suggested that people had to pay extra tax for an internet connection. For that extra tax people could legally download music and movies. BUT they will use the money for cultural purpose??!!

In Holland we pay extra tax ond empty dvd's, hard drives, flash memories, that money is going to artist who supoosed to be less income by illegal downloads. It is about hundreds of millions, and offcourse no adult company is involved or have seen money. Even most artist haven't seen money, most disappeaerd and was used for targeting sites like pirate bay.

Now there is a plan to scan all internet activity with fingerprints on movies to see if somebody is illegal downloading....

There was this case with thousands of South Koreans sharing porn and they got all sued by Japanese and US studios. It's illegal in South Korea but their government also admitted they had to respect international copyright laws, even porn. I guess they all got double trouble :)

:2 cents:

yes, from what i understand. the tube site is protected under the DMCA as long as the owner doesn't have direct knowledge of the infringement. when they find out about the infringement they must remove it immediately or they won't be protected under DMCA.

google is a prime example of this because you can upload any video you want and it will appear. it might not stay up long if it doesn't meet their terms, but it will appear. they don't review and approve each video.

tubes on the other hand are different because pretty much all of the videos are uploaded by the owners and sponsors who decided "if you can't beat them, join them". if you can prove that the owner uploaded the video the tube is fucked.

whenever "work" is created it's automatically protected under copyright so if one of your videos is on a tube site then you can go after the uploader personally. it costs about $500 for a lawyer to go after the uploader but i'm sure the tube owners have figured out how to get around the whole user IP thing. if your work is copyright registered then the uploader can be sued for up to $150,000 without showing lost revenue.

registering certain videos can be a good idea, especially if it's a popular one on tubes. videos can be registered online for $35 each or you can register a compilation. http://www.copyright.gov/

Quoted for mother fucking truth. :2 cents: :thumbsup

He would not be posting up a storm if he was not starting to get nervous. Without "unloaders" Nathan's tubes will take a huge hit after everyone removes what illegal content is left.

But then again, we're all just a bunch of idiots who don't understand anything.

The article is saying the adult industry sue lot of users for illegal downloads.

The industry is now going to lawyers, the last month they opened 1.200 cases and they prepare much more for next month.

If you need a full translation let me know, is very long article... i speak perfect spanish

i think sites like megaupload and rapidshare are worst than torrents

Okay...
Hey Nathan/Fabian You were already specifically pointed out ONE of Steve's vids on pornhub complete with url
But you said your lawyers told you not to take it down until Steve wrote a DMCA and asked pretty please.

This don't sound good man. It sounds like you not only have knowledge of it but the knowledge of it was given to you on a silver platter bro. And you still wouldn't take it down. You might want to get with your attorney and pay him to tell you to take it down...or you could just go into the admin, find that vid and hit delete and it wouldn't cost you a dime.

Just sayin' bro...

EDIT: And since everybody knows your name is Fabian...could you please ask the admins to just change your nic? It feels gay calling you a fake name. It's like I'm talking to a girl at the strip club, not the owner of a multi-million dollar business.

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