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will76 09-21-2010 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 17522647)
I almost made a post about this several days ago. If I didn't truly like Sagi I would have. I got fucked out of my arrangement as well. I'm testing other programs now to see who will make me more money.

Oh, and payments have NOT gone out. I switched my payout from epassporte to paypal. I haven't seen a dime from AFF in a month now.

no no its a glitch, it will be corrected in 48 hours :upsidedow


Interesting that they will use paypal. Seems risky since paypal doesn't allow anything adult related. I know it's not for members joining the site, but still payments being sent from an adult site.

V_RocKs 09-21-2010 07:48 AM

Payouts all fucked up for ePassporte switches.... Seems they delay you until the next payment...

goldfish 09-21-2010 08:06 AM

Oh great its fixed to bad most of my sales are gone, evidently they don't pay for reorders anymore...

"On our adult sites sliding scale we pay affiliates a cut of the initial orders and the renewals (when the member auto-renews). On our mainstream sites we pay affiliates on initial and reorders (when the member lets their membership expire and then orders again). Your account was on a very special cut where you got a percentage of all three order types, but with the safety valve in place on days where less than 5 initial orders come in you will get a percentage cut of initial and renewals based on the sliding scale payout."

Yet I just copied this from their stats page...
"As a percentage affiliate, you will get a percentage of all future orders and reorders by the 18748 members who have joined so far provided that your affiliate account is still active - we reserve the right to deactivate accounts who stop sending traffic."

I just love this change the rules on the fly so it makes the numbers work shit....

Yesterdays stats...
http://txtmess.com/yesterdays.jpg

Stats "fixed"
http://txtmess.com/fixed_stats.jpg

mizmiz 09-21-2010 08:15 AM

What site do you promote them on? nice stats!
And I still dont get how you make 2K$ per month if I see only earnigs of 500-700$ from ur images

DateDoc 09-21-2010 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 17522647)
I almost made a post about this several days ago. If I didn't truly like Sagi I would have. I got fucked out of my arrangement as well. I'm testing other programs now to see who will make me more money.

Oh, and payments have NOT gone out. I switched my payout from epassporte to paypal. I haven't seen a dime from AFF in a month now.

I received paypal last period but have not received the latest payout yet.

bolsex 09-21-2010 08:24 AM

I need to say that they paid me all money for Aug/2010 thro Check via UPS. Also my partners got their earnings thro Payoneer without problem.
This period was not sent out yet! No money in Payoneer waiting to be accepted from AFF.

Agent 488 09-21-2010 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 17522705)
Payouts all fucked up for ePassporte switches.... Seems they delay you until the next payment...

yeah some programs that i would have got epass by now my check payment not even shown as processing. everyone going to be late getting out payments or what?

goldfish 09-21-2010 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mizmiz (Post 17522776)
What site do you promote them on? nice stats!
And I still dont get how you make 2K$ per month if I see only earnigs of 500-700$ from ur images

The numbers you are seeing reflect sales in 2004-2005, the point of that image was to prove I never sold over 200+ membership when the higher payout was put in place... In other words the reason they are saying I got the special payout it BS.

I don't make nearly that now, in fact with this new "safety valve" I am getting $36.98 so far this pay period!

Agent 488 09-21-2010 08:30 AM

checks are fucking gay.

Babaganoosh 09-21-2010 08:39 AM

After this payout change conversion rates took a massive dive. Sorry AFF, I call bullshit. You guys must be having serious financial issues if you're willing to fuck one of your oldest affiliates and one of the few that has backed you up in the past through thick and thin.

Vick! 09-21-2010 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfish (Post 17521140)
No where you have to send a certain amount of traffic to keep your rebill

Fuck the long story, this statement totally makes sense. Hope they resolve your issue fast and you get your money.


This is why i prefer PPS, these managers never stop kissing your ass.

signupdamnit 09-21-2010 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bolsex (Post 17522804)
I need to say that they paid me all money for Aug/2010 thro Check via UPS. Also my partners got their earnings thro Payoneer without problem.
This period was not sent out yet! No money in Payoneer waiting to be accepted from AFF.

This thread is getting ugly. I hope they aren't going to try to use the epassporte issue as an excuse to not pay all affiliates on time.

goldfish 09-21-2010 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 17522852)
Sorry AFF, I call bullshit.

Don't say that too loud they will give you a special payout and then renege on it later! :winkwink:

Tempest 09-21-2010 08:55 AM

What does AFF care if you're not happy with them screwing you over.. They've been doing it for awhile now and yet people keep sending them traffic so clearly they've seen that affiliates are quite happy to be fucked over. Their model is one of extortion. Keep sending us traffic or we'll stop paying you and will slowly fuck you out of your rebills etc.

It sucks if you spent years building up rebills. But sometimes you have to take a stand and say fuck you back and just walk away.

istanboys 09-21-2010 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfish (Post 17521140)
No where you have to send a certain amount of traffic to keep your rebill

Hmmm that's interesting. Two years ago I lost a LOT of rebills from an AVS company (not sure if I want to mention their name at this point). When I asked about the reason of the lost rebills, I was told that during one pay period I hadn't made any new sales and because of that I lost all rebills... They then wrote me that they would make me 'VIP webmaster' to make sure that something like this wouldn't happen again...

At the time I basically just accepted it, but now that they read this thread... Interesting...

goldfish 09-21-2010 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 17522924)
What does AFF care if you're not happy with them screwing you over.. They've been doing it for awhile now and yet people keep sending them traffic so clearly they've seen that affiliates are quite happy to be fucked over. Their model is one of extortion. Keep sending us traffic or we'll stop paying you and will slowly fuck you out of your rebills etc.

It sucks if you spent years building up rebills. But sometimes you have to take a stand and say fuck you back and just walk away.

That's what I am doing, standing up and saying fuck you, but walking away is not part of my personality! The 30 seconds it takes me to keep this thread going is no bother to me, in fact if it saves others from the same BS all the better.

Nevermind that it is now basically public record and who know where that might lead in the future....

Babaganoosh 09-21-2010 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfish (Post 17522899)
Don't say that too loud they will give you a special payout and then renege on it later! :winkwink:

Yeah, they already did that. I had a great percentage worked out for years. God damn I wish Dating Gold converted worth a shit. :1orglaugh

goldfish 09-21-2010 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by istanboys (Post 17522933)
Hmmm that's interesting. Two years ago I lost a LOT of rebills from an AVS company (not sure if I want to mention their name at this point). When I asked about the reason of the lost rebills, I was told that during one pay period I hadn't made any new sales and because of that I lost all rebills... They then wrote me that they would make me 'VIP webmaster' to make sure that something like this wouldn't happen again...

At the time I basically just accepted it, but now that they read this thread... Interesting...

Ahh but see the difference is I HAVE made new sales. Not saying what they did was right either just saying there is a bit of a difference here...

goldfish 09-21-2010 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 17522937)
Yeah, they already did that. I had a great percentage worked out for years. God damn I wish Dating Gold converted worth a shit. :1orglaugh

Thats the problem I am having is nothing converts as well, but I am working on a solution, I'll post it here when I get everything settled. :winkwink:

bolsex 09-21-2010 10:05 AM

I just want to inform that I got my AFF Payoneer payment some minutes ago!

bolsex 09-21-2010 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfish (Post 17522945)
Thats the problem I am having is nothing converts as well, but I am working on a solution, I'll post it here when I get everything settled. :winkwink:

This is my problem too and why I like AFF. I used lot of dating programs! I didnt get NO ONE that could made at least 30%-40% of what I earn every period with AFF.
Anyway, Im still testing new sponsors and campaigns.

goldfish 09-21-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bolsex (Post 17523089)
This is my problem too and why I like AFF. I used lot of dating programs! I didnt get NO ONE that could made at least 30%-40% of what I earn every period with AFF.
Anyway, Im still testing new sponsors and campaigns.

oh well convert or not I don't take to getting fucked over like this lightly, I'llfind or develop something better!

trannysphere 09-21-2010 10:38 AM

guys do you promote cams.com as well?

do you really need to get 50$ more on each sites let say cams.com and adultfriendfinder.com to get payout? i have $41 on aff and 20$ cams.com so i can;t get any payout and its there for years. damn

Robbie 09-21-2010 10:42 AM

Any ideas when checks will be sent out?

I got my last one on time. But this period's check for AFF/Streamate has been "processing" since 9-16 :(

Tjeezers 09-21-2010 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by trannysphere (Post 17523191)
guys do you promote cams.com as well?

do you really need to get 50$ more on each sites let say cams.com and adultfriendfinder.com to get payout? i have $41 on aff and 20$ cams.com so i can;t get any payout and its there for years. damn

push some more traffic, a few hundred clicks a day for a few months should bring you way over the payout limit. Use the cams.com cobranded tools, put it up, push a few campaigns, and you should be able to get confirmed spenders soon

Feel free to icq me on 104030, i will be happy to help you on your way

punkpred 09-21-2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bolsex (Post 17521162)
This sucks! I really dont understand why did they do that! If they dont want to continue with the Special Payout %, they must pay at least the basic 35% for each sale / rebill!
0% or 0.02% is not accepted!

exactly :2 cents:

fris 09-21-2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Irish Pimp (Post 17521818)
our stats are a little dated and we are working on a full redesign. sometimes we need our affiliates to tell us that there is a bug in the system. the fact is, we easily have to deal with 20 times the data most affiliate programs deal with. when you add our substats onto that, its a huge amount of data.

we will pay our affiliates more than 100 million dollars this year alone. not too many adult programs can claim that.

and on that same note, we are fully audited by a third party. our numbers are soild. we can legally prove it

no comment on referring whales, but still have to be active in order to get paid?

say someone refers someone that makes over a million in sales, but you refuse to pay out the referal to that webmaster just because he isnt currently sending traffic, while you continue to profit off the person he reffered with no gripes.

:helpme

goldfish 09-21-2010 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by fris (Post 17523303)
no comment on referring whales, but still have to be active in order to get paid?

say someone refers someone that makes over a million in sales, but you refuse to pay out the referal to that webmaster just because he isnt currently sending traffic, while you continue to profit off the person he reffered with no gripes.

:helpme

Forget a million in sales, $250k and counting should be more than sufficient!

DWB 09-21-2010 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by goldfish (Post 17522328)
Nope not surprised at all, just making sure everyone possible knows about it... :winkwink:

Then a bump for you.

bolsex 09-21-2010 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17523206)
Any ideas when checks will be sent out?

I got my last one on time. But this period's check for AFF/Streamate has been "processing" since 9-16 :(

mmm after the epass problem I requested a special UPS check!
The latest period was paid out on sep-8th, and the check was issued on sep-10th, so I think that your check will be emailed tomorrow? or maybe today!

Payoneer money was received because I got it for this latest period.

DateDoc 09-21-2010 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trannysphere (Post 17523191)
guys do you promote cams.com as well?

do you really need to get 50$ more on each sites let say cams.com and adultfriendfinder.com to get payout? i have $41 on aff and 20$ cams.com so i can;t get any payout and its there for years. damn

Yes and it is not just that specific. If you push PPS and RevShare on AFF (and I assume any of their other sites) you need to get to the $50 threshold on both for both to payout. So if you make $500 on PPS and $49 on Revshare pushing AFF you do not get paid the $49 yet.

RKLover 09-21-2010 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by goldfish (Post 17521140)

This special payout was put in place in 2004 after I brought another affiliate related matter concerning payouts to their attention. The verbal agreement was I got 65% and kept my mouth shut as it would have been quite damaging at the time.

Well, the company was sold so your agreement probably went out the door with the person who made it.

Maybe you should just switch your traffic to AWE. They never fuck anyone. LOL

DateDoc 09-21-2010 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc (Post 17522791)
I received paypal last period but have not received the latest payout yet.

Paypal just came in :)

jabula 09-21-2010 03:45 PM

I must admit that there have been some glitches that I have found & reported which get fixed, but AFF is a solid company that is very generous to their hard working affiliates and always pay me on time :)

Fabien 09-21-2010 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GayIPornSteve (Post 17521582)
LOL @ 18145 male signups, 602 female signups.

Dude, it's the reality regarding dating stuff.
For real :upsidedow

The Demon 09-21-2010 04:06 PM

I don't know what the fuss is all about. Sagi does his job well and GIO/AFF converts very nicely. I got paid 2 days ago but then again, I'm on wire transfer.

sexdatesj 09-21-2010 04:26 PM

I will pay you $60 PPS if you promote our sites using NATS 4.

Hit me up, joel @ sexdatecash.com

KillerK 09-21-2010 04:42 PM

Why is this surprising, look at what penthouse did to ibill.

Tjeezers 09-21-2010 04:59 PM

Sagi and Team AFF are doing a great job
they convert the most traffic on the world, and have always been helpful for their affiliates

That being said, i see other cam programs fucking their affiliates in the ass without hesitation. I have seen webmaster referral programs being undressed until they are on zero, i have seen programs battling their own webmasters online. Adding pop ups on tube sites to get HIGH Alexa and then trying to say to the affiliates it was cause of their help, and then taking away more privileges from those same webmasters.

Moral and ethics, its a rare thing

AFF is my longest and best sponsor, bravo for streamray and cams.com

lazycash 09-21-2010 05:33 PM

So this is why Sleazy had to take a day job and we no longer see him on gfy. I always knew he'd make a great insurance salesman.

goldfish 09-21-2010 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tjeezers (Post 17524435)
Sagi and Team AFF are doing a great job
they convert the most traffic on the world, and have always been helpful for their affiliates

That being said, i see other cam programs fucking their affiliates in the ass without hesitation. I have seen webmaster referral programs being undressed until they are on zero, i have seen programs battling their own webmasters online. Adding pop ups on tube sites to get HIGH Alexa and then trying to say to the affiliates it was cause of their help, and then taking away more privileges from those same webmasters.

Moral and ethics, its a rare thing

AFF is my longest and best sponsor, bravo for streamray and cams.com

And one day they will fuck you too... They have been fucking you for years, you just don't know how to tell believe me! How do you think I got a special payout!

goldfish 09-21-2010 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexdatesj (Post 17524332)
I will pay you $60 PPS if you promote our sites using NATS 4.

Hit me up, joel @ sexdatecash.com

Sorry Joel I don't do PPS...

goodsites 09-21-2010 06:41 PM

in another month your gonna see all the webmaster referral complaints too.. been monitoring my stats.. the $50 a month ordeal to keep the money from webmaster refferals coming in... i get like $40 real quick in like 5 days.. i need $50, then the next 10 days i get 0.00 but put up even better numbers then the first 5 days.. then ill get to about $49.65 cents and all off a sudden no more sales again nearing the 1st or the 15th... then 2 days after the 15th, all of a sudden more sales come in.. This is after averaging up to $700 a week until march when the shit just hit the fan and they announce all this bullshit.

They think the affiliate industry is over, they are in for a rude awakening come early next year :D

papill0n 09-21-2010 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17521761)
Its a glitch that caused a safety valve ???

no it was a massive flow of funds in motion that blew the whole thing to shit

goldfish 09-22-2010 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 17524682)
no it was a massive flow of funds in motion that blew the whole thing to shit

Yeah between those with special payout and those that never change over their epass info they will be getting an influx of free cash!

Tjeezers 09-22-2010 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfish (Post 17524623)
And one day they will fuck you too... They have been fucking you for years, you just don't know how to tell believe me! How do you think I got a special payout!

You got a special payout after you told them that you would not say something to this community. Brave you are
Now you are here crying out that the deal is gone after many years. So you want to still confess what you kept away from this community? Brave again. WooowwWoooohhh

There is a saying, you cant trade a dead cow for a fresh pig.....

There are tons of webmasters who keep their business up and running and still are having a special payout deal. Those webmasters developed a dedication in one of their products and have build a network around it.
I assume that THIS IS the kind of deals AFF like to have and will be honoring.

You were nothing special with your " If you dont give me extra % i tell everyone "

You kept many people in the dark for years, and yet here you are screaming it out. Why ?

goldfish 09-22-2010 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Tjeezers (Post 17525666)
You got a special payout after you told them that you would not say something to this community. Brave you are
Now you are here crying out that the deal is gone after many years. So you want to still confess what you kept away from this community? Brave again. WooowwWoooohhh

There is a saying, you cant trade a dead cow for a fresh pig.....

There are tons of webmasters who keep their business up and running and still are having a special payout deal. Those webmasters developed a dedication in one of their products and have build a network around it.
I assume that THIS IS the kind of deals AFF like to have and will be honoring.

You were nothing special with your " If you dont give me extra % i tell everyone "

You kept many people in the dark for years, and yet here you are screaming it out. Why ?

Its called trusting them to keep their word and fix the issue, which I believed they did at the time, thats why I kept my mouth shut. Obviously that trust is now gone.

You'll see, in the end they will get you too. When they do you will be right here with the rest of us.

Tjeezers 09-22-2010 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfish (Post 17525686)
Its called trusting them to keep their word and fix the issue, which I believed they did at the time, thats why I kept my mouth shut. Obviously that trust is now gone.

You'll see, in the end they will get you too. When they do you will be right here with the rest of us.


You never got money to keep yourself silenced, you made it up to stir up the drama.

The fault, aka, error, might have brought you and your affiliate manager together to speak, and then the affiliate manager wanted to invest a little in you, see if you were worth the numbers.

goldfish 09-22-2010 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tjeezers (Post 17525744)
You never got money to keep yourself silenced, you made it up to stir up the drama.

The fault, aka, error, might have brought you and your affiliate manager together to speak, and then the affiliate manager wanted to invest a little in you, see if you were worth the numbers.

Damn, you were there? Could have fooled me!

BTW it wasn't my affiliate manager that gave me the special payout, it was a higher up...

Agent 488 09-22-2010 07:30 AM

spill it. they fucked you. fuck them.


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