It's a video site. :1orglaugh

I like the look of it, nice design and layout. Then I clicked on a few of the clips and got bored.

It seemed the content was very samey and it lacked that extra fizz to make me sign up. Try taking 15 second clips out of the scene and make it more enticing. A model talking to me in "fake porn" style got boring.

You need a bigger hook to get the credit cards out.

With only one site and one style, from what I saw, there will be less bookmarkers coming back unless you can give them a good reason to return. So it will need a constant feed of traffic.

Other than that it was good. :)

nice looking site dave

very true! :thumbsup

I dig the concept, it's similar to FTVGirls new one FTV Stream but they are going a different route in no preview videos but limited access for freebies. Either way, a new trend is in the works. Just a matter of whether or not it makes money :)

Nice looking site, but seriously, you can spin it anyway you want, you have a tube.

Thanks Paul,

I know it's not what regular tube sites offer and what regular tube site surfer watch. But this content is what has kept CyberAge in business for the last 15 years.

But I do know what you mean, these surfers want to see the fucking and get straight to it.

Thanks.

you shouldn't throw stones, you have any idea of how big of a cry baby you sounded like in regards to cross sales. <- just feedback from a asshole prick ;)


Dave, you have a glorified MGP, just with better layout and nice design which you are making into a monthly membership site with a tube "tour" look to it. I don't see 1 minute clips going over well with the "tube site" surfers especially when you are lying to them and displaying the clips as 10 - 20 minutes long.

its like he is sticking his big toe in the water. He really isn't going to get wet (get the benefits) but now everyone can say that he swims in the same pond with the sharks.

I can't speak for Shap, nor do I know for 100% certainty, but I think you totally missing it here. It is Shap's tube site domains that is saving his business. That and partnerships with other tube sites. His content might be great, but it is having his content on his own tube sites and other tube sites with a link to his pay site that is making him his money. If he had no great tube site domains nor made deals with the bigger tube sites he would be in the same boat as you, Steve, and several other medium size companies that made 100% sales off of membership joins.

I give you an A+ for effort though with your cam site and tube site, but you did them both wrong, and you were way late to the game.

Another brutally honest asshole reply ;)

how come no gay section ? :_(

lolz............

I'm working on it, but still waiting for you to send me your videos. :1orglaugh

Thanks for your opinion but you are totally wrong. You try to read a book by its cover and have no clue what's in the book.

First of all, the words "you were too late in the game" is a Negative statement and if my partner and I listened to everyone that told us that, I would still be a handyman going to home depot every day. It's straight out negative talk.

We didn't build a cams site to be the next Video Secrets, we built it because we have in-house programmers, in-house graphic guys, in-house billing, in-house hosting facilities and lots of employees in our beautiful offices. We have the infrastructure to build anything so why not.

If our cams site brings in an extra 50K net a month, that is an extra 50k we didn't have. Maybe it would have made us Millions if we started it when we started our AVS's but our Focus was on our AVS's. The same AVS's that programmers said we were too late to start. It was 1996, programmers told us what are you guys thinking, save your money, there are like 50 AVS programs out there.
Well, we were paying 250K a month to Lycos for over 2 years and buying all their adult key words and sending it all to our Links pages and making our webmasters hundreds of thousands of dollars, just that should tell you it was a pretty lucrative business for starting late. Good thing we didn't listen to those negative words.

For this new site, We own the content, Konrad had a great deal, took a week to put together, we do the billing for it. So lets say it only makes us a lousy 20K a month, hey, I'm a business man, 20K is 20K, I'll take that any day.

I can go on and on here, but all I'm saying here is get that "it's too late" out of your head. Because if you are working on your own projects and living by those words, you will never get ahead of yourself.

Same thing goes for my mainstream projects, I have heard those same words on so many of my other mainstream business's. And some have failed, but majority have been very, very successful.

Positive things happen to positive thinkers, I live by these words and have been blessed by them.

Thanks for listening.

Nice looking site Dave. I have seen many sites like this come and go. What I have seen is that sites like this with short movies like yours don't get many bookies, so cheap traffic like popups works good on it. If you had the first 5 minutes of each movie viewable you would get easy 10 times the bookies. Maybe that will be stage 2 of this project?

Thanks Choker,

I don't want the guys that are going to browse around and watch 5 minutes of each video and leave, I want them to watch one minute and upgrade. :2 cents:

It will separate the quality with quantity. (Hopefully)

Bottom line is, I just needed somewhere better to organize my content. :)

if he had 50minute movies he would easily get 100 times the bookmarks

True, but my movies aren't that long. :Oh crap

I have to disagree and I'll be totally 100% brutally honest here. Two things saved our ass.

#1 Having a paysite that focuses on the member. Our members are extremely loyal and that has saved our ass. If Twistys relied on the sales it gets from Tube Sites it would be fucked. We do very well with our core audience and existing traffic sources but tubes is not an area excel at. Our great tube traffic is on GayTube and that can't sell a Twistys membership. The truth is Twistys, like most paysites, is down from it's peak but it has been very stable and still is our top company earner and most profitable site.

#2 I have a few good domains but right now GayTube is the only superstar. There is absolutely no question that without GayTube I'd be a nervous person. Why? Because I don't believe the current paysite business model can be successful long term (5 to 10 years). Having GayTube gives us the best of both worlds. We have a great paysite that has stood the test of time and we have a non stop growing GAY tube site that is in a growing market (tubes) and one that still buys memberships GAY. Currently GayTube doesn't even make a quarter of what Twistys does. But at the rate it keeps growing and the opportunities that have come up because of it I know it is only a matter of time before it's doing what Twistys does now and much more.

you ignored everything else I said and focused on one half sentence " and you were too late to game".

You were too late to get a good tube site domain, yes or no? Or are you going to shell out big bucks to buy a good one, cyberagemodels isn't exactly going to be brandable like youporn, pornhub, gayporn etc.
Do you think your site with 1 minute video clips is going to pull traffic from all the other established top 100 or so alexa tube sites?
I don't think it is impossible, but starting late you need to have something that is better than what is out there to have a chance and you going to have to work 10x harder.

I should rephrases that, as far as tube sites go you haven't even made it to the game yet.

In my opinion (just replying to you looking for "thoughts?" ) you wont be successful with that tube site. It looks nice, content looks decent, layout it nice... but its basically monthly membership site with a lot of 1 minute free preview videos. The exact thing you should be trying to get away from, membership sites. You should be building the tube site as a traffic magnet and then promoting your sites on it. 1 minute clips, 99% of the people that hit the site will never come back.

Its like the design you showed me in email, there is making things look pretty and there is making things make money. Not trying to bash on you or be negative, but it looks like you enjoy making nice stuff that kind of misses the money making part.

You are still missing the point, I don't want to be the next Pornhub, I just want to make
20k - 50K a month and I'm happy. CyberAge Models is a brand Millions of Members know about. I'm not trying to compete against the big guys the same way I'm not with our cams site. our AVS's still make great sales, I'm not giving those away for free. There is still a lot of people that pay for Porn. You may not see it, but I know. I see it.

I thought you had some real good straight tube site domains on the same level as gaytube? Also, I realized after I posted , it was Far-L who I was thinking of that has partnered up with some of the bigger tube sites and gets the majority of his traffic from them now.

You do have several years of a built up membership base that even if you turned the site off today you would still bill out 100K's of thousands am I sure, that has to help. maybe I spoke a year or two soon. But "in the end" or near future, that gay tube site is going to keep going up and you going to be working you ass off with twistys production costs and rebills decreasing (from declines if nothing else) as your new sales dwindle.

build up those straight tube domains and keep your own traffic source going to help try to off set that with new sales :)

I agree. However I'd say 20k is very ambitious. I hope you do it. I just think it is very ambitious. 5k to 10k would probably be more reasonable.

ok then... so you aiming a lot lower... I still don't think you will come anywhere even close to those numbers with that type of approach for a tube site. Just my opinion. Hope you prove me wrong.

Dave, it's alot of code on the page and it is loading slow for me. Best of luck though man!

Just like you, I have loyal CyberAge members, Millions of them.
You and I have great support team. My Customer Service is also in-house.

Once I release the site to them, 20K a month is a no brainer.

Thank you,
Not sure why, haven't had a problem everywhere I checked it.

But thanks for checking.

I agree. We are working our asses off to try to position Twistys as a brand that can survive long term. I don't think anyone can honestly say a company is smart to position themselves thinking they can survive 5 to 10 years from now solely on the paysite business model.

Btw we do have SexTube.com. It's a good domain but it has grossly underperformed. I believe this has to do with our focus. Our primary focus as a company has always been Twistys. Our secondary focus is GayTube. Everything beneath that receives attention but not focus and that is why it isn't as successful as it could be....yet :thumbsup

You had said the same thing about our Cams Site, I wish I could show you my stats, but you would be impressed.

Your a smart guy, I just wished you took some of that money you made years ago and invested in your own cams site. But I'm sure there was a reason for it.

Wouldn't it be all the same content they already get?

My 5 to 10k wasn't based on ex-members. It was based on new traffic to the site.

I've seen quite a few fake tube sites kill it. But they all relied on shady shady billing. I can't think of any off hand that did it legit the way you are. I really hope this kicks ass for you.

You will make the most money on the project you focus on more.
UGAS.com has been our baby since day one. Till today, it does amazing numbers.

Although GayTube is a great site and domain, I look at Twistys and your pride and joy because of the quality and time that is put into it.

No, we mix the content up a bit, and always buy new content and put them in different members galleries.

If we can do 5K-10K on new traffic, and another 10k in the first few months, I'm ok with that. Then again, we are already seeing sales to our Cams Site from the site. So it's still sales.

just an idea from one asshole prick to another :winkwink: , why not focus on sextube and build that up to a top 500 or better site and feature twistys on it like brazzers did on all the big tube sites? Continue with your current traffic, but building up sextube imo seems like a better way sustain twistys in the long run.

Thanks, at the end of the day. It was a nice place to organize my content and make some extra income so I can meet you in Bahamas, I just hate Golf so maybe they have a Race Track we can go rent some Race Cars and have a fun Race Day. Bikes or Cars, I'm open for either or. :thumbsup

Yep I agree 100%. I've spent very little time on GayTube. Luckily I have a great team that we put together to run it and it is the only thing they do. The one time the site slowed is when their focus was split and they were trying to build a new project. Focus is so important. All my greatest successes (from small to big) are 100% because of focus and my greatest failures because of lack of it.

The gay market is more loyal. I think once you start spreading Twistys all over Tubes, you are killing the quality.

Done. My wife wants to go down to Laguna Seca to get her racing license.

WHAT? Your wife. Crazy. I like that. My wife used to race Motorcycles in her teens. Her dad wanted boys and ended up with two girls, and put them through racing.

We ride all the time, she just needs to take it easy on the jumps because she has a TV show she is producing and hosting. So she can't take a beating and get bruised up like I can.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2EYEoShY9L...0/IMG_0734.JPG

We are working on it. My biggest mistake was having SexTube run by a team that is running SexTube and other sites as well. As a result their focus is split and the site is a sad result of it. We are going to work hard to build it up.

The exposure thing is a really interesting one. I've wrestled with how important it is for some time. We have had periods where our content was everywhere and periods where we really pulled back and our content was tougher to find. I still don't know what works. But I always think back to 10 years ago Danni Ashe's site. I could never find her content anywhere and that made me want to get a membership even more. I think getting exposure from old content may be the way to go while promoting how amazing the new stuff is.

there is... if i ever did my own ppm cam site I would have to have control over the chat host. I wouldn't use another cam site's models. It its like trying to fight with your hands tied behind your back. Basically it's a white label with your own processing, fuck I could do that now if I wanted to, but imo I think its a waste of time and I make more money (profit from my traffic) as an affiliate.

I don't have enough traffic to keep 5-10 quality cam girls 24/7 making enough money to keep them on my site so doing it "right" isn't an option by myself on my own. I refuse to waste my time spending months and a lot of money to build a cam site around 3rd world country studios where all the $1 hour an hour paid "talent" knows how to say is " hi bb" .

I believe in the concept of if I am going to do something I am going to do it right and fortunately I know enough about cams to know what works and what doesn't so I haven't wasted 50 - 100k trying to do my own cam site half assed.

very little if anything from 10 years ago still works these days. :2 cents: I think things turned our pretty well for brazzers and they slammed it on the tube sites. While everyone else peaked and was going down, i would bet their sales were soaring through the roof. Hard to believe to that too much exposure and branding could be a bad thing.

Making more money as an affiilate but also giving all your resources to them. One thing I was always against, I like to control the customers info, do the billing and do the Customer Service when they call.

You gave over 200K CC joins to ClickCash, that could have been all yours and in your control. Everything I do, I do for the long haul.

But at the end of the day, you still made really good money, and you should be proud of that.

My resources isn't the joins i sent but my ability to drive traffic and make sales. I never sent enough at any given time to "do it myself" so it was never an option. If I would have half assed it I would have made a lot less money and still failed.

I also made more with clickcash than from some other cam programs that were paying me 50%+ of the sales. So assuming they weren't shaving, I had an idea of what 100% of my traffic was worth on sites like that and I was still making more money as an affiliate with clickcash.

The reason I made more with clickcash is because they could afford to because they made more. The monetized the traffic really well with fan clubs, vip memberships, etc. Where as most others are just selling "credits".

There is nothing wrong with being in control of the processing, hell you need to be if you have your own cam site, but being in control of the chat host is right up there on the level of importance.

It was closer to 150K not 200K joins btw :winkwink: over 10 years...

G'night.... and good luck with your new tube site. Damn tube site owners ruining the industy lol ;)

Cam site is hard work for sure, 150K joins is not a joke. Great job with that.

Your content might be great, I'm not commenting on what's inside your site. I was talking about the clips you have that will decide if the tour works or not. The design and layout are secondary. It's clips that make conversions. And IMO the clips I saw were not giving me any incentive to pull out my card. If you're converting 1-9,000 I'm in the majority because 8,999 other people are looking at the tour and leaving.

It does not have to be fucking, but it has to give the impression the girl delivered something more than the same old tired fake porn persona the tour showed me.

I use to shoot a very similar thing to these clips back in the 80s and 90s and put them together as a sample tape. After the girls had finished her days work I would film her talking about what she had done, the fun she had and the orgasms. The scripting was minimal and this made the girl talk as herself and it showed she had had a good time.

If it's solo she can show some of the toys she used, girl/girl can be a few girls in the clip and boy girl the boy is laying behind her. With a shagged rotten look on his face or a big contented grin. You need to sell the sizzle of the scenes inside the site.

Get imaginative and deliver clips that will convert more than 1 in 9,000. Because with 100,000 hits a day you will only convert 11 a day. And keeping 100,000 coming every day is tough.

That makes sense Paul.
on CyberAge, we make actual trailers out of them.
http://models.cyberage.com/archive_models/

I just thought on these, I would show the surfers a clip from the start instead of making trailers.
the 1:9000 is just with feeder traffic, I'll be working on better traffic once we get more content up.

Thanks for the feedback. :thumbsup

that's some hot shit tube content right there. i'd sign up. easy nav.

cool thread!

I agree with Paul.

It's a good looking site, Dave - but ultimately the clips you're using are missing the boat entirely and are losing you sales. I bet your bounce rate is huge ... larger than most tubes IMHO.

A few points:

• Viewing a 1 minute clip with virtually no action after seeing 19:57 min is a complete bait and switch. Even with feeder traffic you're conversions should be better.
• Your Anal, Blowjob and Hardcore sections have ALL the same thumbnails for the first 5 clips. Most surfers clicking around will see that immediately and bail.
• You're getting the surfer to choose what he wants to see (filtering by niche) but NOT giving him what you say you will regarding both the length of the clips and by a complete lack of action in them. By showing JUST an introduction and NOT SHOWING action related to the niche - it kills continuity and flow - and reduces book markers. If a surfer clicks on a blowjob clip and a chick isn't giving one (as an example) why would most stay, come back or join? It's so easy to find what they want elsewhere. Food for thought!
• I know you're going for a non-tube/tube paysite model and you're not trying to compete with Pornhub and take them over on Alexa BUT if you don't incorporate the common sense reasons tubes WORK - you're wasting time/resources/$$$.
• You have the ability to make this work. Don't be stubborn. If you're going to do a tube. DO A TUBE and highly push the call to action to JOIN YOUR SITE as well ... and PLEASE ... use the simple methods proven to work with other successful tubes!!! :winkwink:

There's more I'm sure I could point out - but that's literally after looking at the site for less than 2 minutes.

Good luck!

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EDIT ... I'm not saying use full length clips, btw ... just don't say 20 mins and give them one. Also, you can/should do 2-3 mins as well .. mix them in!!!