Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 17526013)

That makes sense Paul.
on CyberAge, we make actual trailers out of them.
http://models.cyberage.com/archive_models/

I just thought on these, I would show the surfers a clip from the start instead of making trailers.
the 1:9000 is just with feeder traffic, I'll be working on better traffic once we get more content up.

Thanks for the feedback. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17525217)

Your content might be great, I'm not commenting on what's inside your site. I was talking about the clips you have that will decide if the tour works or not. The design and layout are secondary. It's clips that make conversions. And IMO the clips I saw were not giving me any incentive to pull out my card. If you're converting 1-9,000 I'm in the majority because 8,999 other people are looking at the tour and leaving.

It does not have to be fucking, but it has to give the impression the girl delivered something more than the same old tired fake porn persona the tour showed me.

I use to shoot a very similar thing to these clips back in the 80s and 90s and put them together as a sample tape. After the girls had finished her days work I would film her talking about what she had done, the fun she had and the orgasms. The scripting was minimal and this made the girl talk as herself and it showed she had had a good time.

If it's solo she can show some of the toys she used, girl/girl can be a few girls in the clip and boy girl the boy is laying behind her. With a shagged rotten look on his face or a big contented grin. You need to sell the sizzle of the scenes inside the site.

Get imaginative and deliver clips that will convert more than 1 in 9,000. Because with 100,000 hits a day you will only convert 11 a day. And keeping 100,000 coming every day is tough.

Originally Posted by Robocrop (Post 17526628)

Will76, turn yourself down a notch maybe? critizing a guy who can buy you IRL aint clever.

Originally Posted by Robocrop (Post 17526628)

Will76, turn yourself down a notch maybe? critizing a guy who can buy you IRL aint clever.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17527993)

he asked for advice, i gave it. Some people appreciate that, others I guess not. Doesn't mean he has to use it, doesn't mean it will be right or wrong... time will tell.

Really shows ignorance on your part to make a comment like that considering Dave made the majority of his money from AVS sites, more so in years past and he is asking for "thoughts" on getting into a tube site, something that is very new to him that he has no experience with. Not too mention most of what I have said has been echoed by other people, all be it some a little more articulately than me.

Where did I post my buy it now price? :winkwink: And why isn't that clever exactly? it makes me look bad to people like you, and that makes a difference to my income or feelings how?

btw, nice contribution to the discussion.

Originally Posted by justinsain (Post 17528353)

I checked it out and thought it was nice. Looks great, loads fast and was very easy to navigate as well as understand what I was looking at in terms of the sites purpose.

Although I already knew that some here were confused by the promise of longer videos I didn't see it that way and understood that these clips were only previews. The actual running time is to let the surfer know what he will find in the members area. Not confusing to me at all.

The clips were just long enough to show the quality and the thumbs below prove that the promised scene actual happens but are not clickable to a full size pic which would have been too much. I think that's a great way to show what's available without giving it away.

If EVERYONE did it this way I think the industry would be in a much different position. Whether this " retro " approach works out from a business standpoint remains to be seen and it's going to be a huge uphill battle against all those sites that give away waaaaay to much but it's the way it should be.

Lots of people want to see things change and perhaps this approach along with recent pressure on piracy will eventually have a positive effect. Because you took an honest approach with sights on a long term investment and didn't sellout for a quick buck I'm going to give you :thumbsup:thumbsup on your effort.

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 17524820)

We didn't build a cams site to be the next Video Secrets, we built it because we have in-house programmers, in-house graphic guys, in-house billing, in-house hosting facilities and lots of employees in our beautiful offices. We have the infrastructure to build anything so why not.

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 17524820)

If our cams site brings in an extra 50K net a month...

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 17524820)

...The same AVS's that programmers said we were too late to start. It was 1996, programmers told us what are you guys thinking, save your money, there are like 50 AVS programs out there.

Well, we were paying 250K a month to Lycos for over 2 years and buying all their adult key words and sending it all to our Links pages and making our webmasters hundreds of thousands of dollars, just that should tell you it was a pretty lucrative business for starting late. Good thing we didn't listen to those negative words.

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 17524820)

I can go on and on here, but all I'm saying here is get that "it's too late" out of your head. Because if you are working on your own projects and living by those words, you will never get ahead of yourself.

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 17524820)

Positive things happen to positive thinkers, I live by these words and have been blessed by them.