Wouldn't it be all the same content they already get?

My 5 to 10k wasn't based on ex-members. It was based on new traffic to the site.

I've seen quite a few fake tube sites kill it. But they all relied on shady shady billing. I can't think of any off hand that did it legit the way you are. I really hope this kicks ass for you.

You will make the most money on the project you focus on more.
UGAS.com has been our baby since day one. Till today, it does amazing numbers.

Although GayTube is a great site and domain, I look at Twistys and your pride and joy because of the quality and time that is put into it.

No, we mix the content up a bit, and always buy new content and put them in different members galleries.

If we can do 5K-10K on new traffic, and another 10k in the first few months, I'm ok with that. Then again, we are already seeing sales to our Cams Site from the site. So it's still sales.

just an idea from one asshole prick to another :winkwink: , why not focus on sextube and build that up to a top 500 or better site and feature twistys on it like brazzers did on all the big tube sites? Continue with your current traffic, but building up sextube imo seems like a better way sustain twistys in the long run.

Thanks, at the end of the day. It was a nice place to organize my content and make some extra income so I can meet you in Bahamas, I just hate Golf so maybe they have a Race Track we can go rent some Race Cars and have a fun Race Day. Bikes or Cars, I'm open for either or. :thumbsup

Yep I agree 100%. I've spent very little time on GayTube. Luckily I have a great team that we put together to run it and it is the only thing they do. The one time the site slowed is when their focus was split and they were trying to build a new project. Focus is so important. All my greatest successes (from small to big) are 100% because of focus and my greatest failures because of lack of it.

The gay market is more loyal. I think once you start spreading Twistys all over Tubes, you are killing the quality.

Done. My wife wants to go down to Laguna Seca to get her racing license.

WHAT? Your wife. Crazy. I like that. My wife used to race Motorcycles in her teens. Her dad wanted boys and ended up with two girls, and put them through racing.

We ride all the time, she just needs to take it easy on the jumps because she has a TV show she is producing and hosting. So she can't take a beating and get bruised up like I can.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2EYEoShY9L...0/IMG_0734.JPG

We are working on it. My biggest mistake was having SexTube run by a team that is running SexTube and other sites as well. As a result their focus is split and the site is a sad result of it. We are going to work hard to build it up.

The exposure thing is a really interesting one. I've wrestled with how important it is for some time. We have had periods where our content was everywhere and periods where we really pulled back and our content was tougher to find. I still don't know what works. But I always think back to 10 years ago Danni Ashe's site. I could never find her content anywhere and that made me want to get a membership even more. I think getting exposure from old content may be the way to go while promoting how amazing the new stuff is.

there is... if i ever did my own ppm cam site I would have to have control over the chat host. I wouldn't use another cam site's models. It its like trying to fight with your hands tied behind your back. Basically it's a white label with your own processing, fuck I could do that now if I wanted to, but imo I think its a waste of time and I make more money (profit from my traffic) as an affiliate.

I don't have enough traffic to keep 5-10 quality cam girls 24/7 making enough money to keep them on my site so doing it "right" isn't an option by myself on my own. I refuse to waste my time spending months and a lot of money to build a cam site around 3rd world country studios where all the $1 hour an hour paid "talent" knows how to say is " hi bb" .

I believe in the concept of if I am going to do something I am going to do it right and fortunately I know enough about cams to know what works and what doesn't so I haven't wasted 50 - 100k trying to do my own cam site half assed.

very little if anything from 10 years ago still works these days. :2 cents: I think things turned our pretty well for brazzers and they slammed it on the tube sites. While everyone else peaked and was going down, i would bet their sales were soaring through the roof. Hard to believe to that too much exposure and branding could be a bad thing.

Making more money as an affiilate but also giving all your resources to them. One thing I was always against, I like to control the customers info, do the billing and do the Customer Service when they call.

You gave over 200K CC joins to ClickCash, that could have been all yours and in your control. Everything I do, I do for the long haul.

But at the end of the day, you still made really good money, and you should be proud of that.

My resources isn't the joins i sent but my ability to drive traffic and make sales. I never sent enough at any given time to "do it myself" so it was never an option. If I would have half assed it I would have made a lot less money and still failed.

I also made more with clickcash than from some other cam programs that were paying me 50%+ of the sales. So assuming they weren't shaving, I had an idea of what 100% of my traffic was worth on sites like that and I was still making more money as an affiliate with clickcash.

The reason I made more with clickcash is because they could afford to because they made more. The monetized the traffic really well with fan clubs, vip memberships, etc. Where as most others are just selling "credits".

There is nothing wrong with being in control of the processing, hell you need to be if you have your own cam site, but being in control of the chat host is right up there on the level of importance.

It was closer to 150K not 200K joins btw :winkwink: over 10 years...

G'night.... and good luck with your new tube site. Damn tube site owners ruining the industy lol ;)

Cam site is hard work for sure, 150K joins is not a joke. Great job with that.

Your content might be great, I'm not commenting on what's inside your site. I was talking about the clips you have that will decide if the tour works or not. The design and layout are secondary. It's clips that make conversions. And IMO the clips I saw were not giving me any incentive to pull out my card. If you're converting 1-9,000 I'm in the majority because 8,999 other people are looking at the tour and leaving.

It does not have to be fucking, but it has to give the impression the girl delivered something more than the same old tired fake porn persona the tour showed me.

I use to shoot a very similar thing to these clips back in the 80s and 90s and put them together as a sample tape. After the girls had finished her days work I would film her talking about what she had done, the fun she had and the orgasms. The scripting was minimal and this made the girl talk as herself and it showed she had had a good time.

If it's solo she can show some of the toys she used, girl/girl can be a few girls in the clip and boy girl the boy is laying behind her. With a shagged rotten look on his face or a big contented grin. You need to sell the sizzle of the scenes inside the site.

Get imaginative and deliver clips that will convert more than 1 in 9,000. Because with 100,000 hits a day you will only convert 11 a day. And keeping 100,000 coming every day is tough.

That makes sense Paul.
on CyberAge, we make actual trailers out of them.
http://models.cyberage.com/archive_models/

I just thought on these, I would show the surfers a clip from the start instead of making trailers.
the 1:9000 is just with feeder traffic, I'll be working on better traffic once we get more content up.

Thanks for the feedback. :thumbsup

that's some hot shit tube content right there. i'd sign up. easy nav.

cool thread!

I agree with Paul.

It's a good looking site, Dave - but ultimately the clips you're using are missing the boat entirely and are losing you sales. I bet your bounce rate is huge ... larger than most tubes IMHO.

A few points:

• Viewing a 1 minute clip with virtually no action after seeing 19:57 min is a complete bait and switch. Even with feeder traffic you're conversions should be better.
• Your Anal, Blowjob and Hardcore sections have ALL the same thumbnails for the first 5 clips. Most surfers clicking around will see that immediately and bail.
• You're getting the surfer to choose what he wants to see (filtering by niche) but NOT giving him what you say you will regarding both the length of the clips and by a complete lack of action in them. By showing JUST an introduction and NOT SHOWING action related to the niche - it kills continuity and flow - and reduces book markers. If a surfer clicks on a blowjob clip and a chick isn't giving one (as an example) why would most stay, come back or join? It's so easy to find what they want elsewhere. Food for thought!
• I know you're going for a non-tube/tube paysite model and you're not trying to compete with Pornhub and take them over on Alexa BUT if you don't incorporate the common sense reasons tubes WORK - you're wasting time/resources/$$$.
• You have the ability to make this work. Don't be stubborn. If you're going to do a tube. DO A TUBE and highly push the call to action to JOIN YOUR SITE as well ... and PLEASE ... use the simple methods proven to work with other successful tubes!!! :winkwink:

There's more I'm sure I could point out - but that's literally after looking at the site for less than 2 minutes.

Good luck!

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EDIT ... I'm not saying use full length clips, btw ... just don't say 20 mins and give them one. Also, you can/should do 2-3 mins as well .. mix them in!!!

Those clips are far more enticing than what I saw on the Tubes.

Still think the girls talking about their exploits during the days shoot would be better, get one of your shooters to try a few and see how they turn out. Remember no dumb porno speak. LOL

1 in 9000 on worthless feeder traffic yes. So not comparible with "real" traffic I would say.

as i understood it surfing the site, the 1 minute clip is a teaser of a ~20 minute clip. i didn't feel like a bait & switch was going on. imo.

Will76, turn yourself down a notch maybe? critizing a guy who can buy you IRL aint clever.

Sorry but thats the biggest bs i've read in a while here :2 cents:

Why isn't it clever exactly to not agree with someone who made a shit load of money? Does making a shitload of money mean you know what you are doing in every aspect of this biz?

Thats right, it doesn't.

Nothing wrong with critizing someones work as long as its a healty conversation :2 cents:

he asked for advice, i gave it. Some people appreciate that, others I guess not. Doesn't mean he has to use it, doesn't mean it will be right or wrong... time will tell.

Really shows ignorance on your part to make a comment like that considering Dave made the majority of his money from AVS sites, more so in years past and he is asking for "thoughts" on getting into a tube site, something that is very new to him that he has no experience with. Not too mention most of what I have said has been echoed by other people, all be it some a little more articulately than me.

Where did I post my buy it now price? :winkwink: And why isn't that clever exactly? it makes me look bad to people like you, and that makes a difference to my income or feelings how?

btw, nice contribution to the discussion.

I asked for advice and I appreciate what everyone shares around here. How much money people have has nothing to do with anything. I look at this place as one big happy family (Sometimes) believe it or not. We all help each other in some sort of way.

I checked it out and thought it was nice. Looks great, loads fast and was very easy to navigate as well as understand what I was looking at in terms of the sites purpose.

Although I already knew that some here were confused by the promise of longer videos I didn't see it that way and understood that these clips were only previews. The actual running time is to let the surfer know what he will find in the members area. Not confusing to me at all.

The clips were just long enough to show the quality and the thumbs below prove that the promised scene actual happens but are not clickable to a full size pic which would have been too much. I think that's a great way to show what's available without giving it away.

If EVERYONE did it this way I think the industry would be in a much different position. Whether this " retro " approach works out from a business standpoint remains to be seen and it's going to be a huge uphill battle against all those sites that give away waaaaay to much but it's the way it should be.

Lots of people want to see things change and perhaps this approach along with recent pressure on piracy will eventually have a positive effect. Because you took an honest approach with sights on a long term investment and didn't sellout for a quick buck I'm going to give you :thumbsup:thumbsup on your effort.

We run a tube paysite in the girlfriend niche. Zuzana and Konrad did a great job. http://www.gfdump.com

Thank you,
A very nice review. :thumbsup

You are reinterpreting history here to fit with your undesired outcome. Similar to someone getting their ass handed to them in a basketball game and then going, "I wasn't really trying." 2 years ago when you announced your cam site and your partnership with Sex.com you were singing a different tune. I get that you want to save face, but you are not helping yourself out here by clinging to these delusions.

Your cam site does not bring in that much. Not even close. I really doubt you are netting more than 3 figures a day. You know this and so does Cams.com who sees all your sales since you use all their models.

So how much do you spend a day on advertising on your cam site? Yeah, thought so...

Comparing starting your AVS in 1996 to a failed cam site you started 12 years later is nuts.

You got in early and made a ton on your AVS stuff and then sat on it. Now you are trying to play catch up with an industry that left you behind 5-7 years ago.

I agree with that statement, but there is a fine line between being positive and being delusional.