just sent 20k emails from diff addys and locations

Registrars can quite easily make sure your domain stops resolving no matter where you live in the world.

Registrars depend on ICANN for credential access to register names, and ICANN depends on the US government. You are living in a fantasy if you think mass suspensions would be difficult to implement.

+1 from me...

I voted for .xxx - did I do it right?

Email sent!

+1

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I didn't mean that it would be difficult in a technical sense. I meant it would be difficult to coordinate an internationally-binding legal requirement to host adult content on the .XXX TLD.

I understand the "ICANN is dependent on the U.S. government" theory of how .XXX could become mandatory, internationally. I just think it would be significantly more complicated than Congress passing a law, then calling up ICANN and demanding that ICANN assist in enforcing that law. ICANN might be dependent on the U.S. government, but it does not follow that ICANN is an indentured servant to the U.S. government.

This matter would quickly end up in court, and the courts (both domestic and international) most assuredly exercise power independent of the U.S. Congress. If they did not, COPA would be the law of the land, and the .XXX question would be largely moot for American website operators.

Regardless, I'm against .XXX, either way. Even if it were clearly impossible for it to become mandatory under any circumstances, I'd still be against .XXX for the reasons I stated in my comments to ICANN, ranging from the first comments I submitted to the most recent ones.

they can't.

which is why they wont.


which is why .xxx is a retarded idea.

purely a money grab.

Like with every new rule, there will be many ways to circumvent it so I'm not worried at all

I'm not seeing how any international court would be able to exercise any binding authority over ICANN or the department of commerce.

Yes I agree however it would be nice not to have too :thumbsup

Guys, we should also ask our surfers to vote for us.

The question is if they will vote the right thing. It is hard for a horny dude to say NO to XXX.

You do see how a U.S. court could exercise such authority, though, I trust?

Hopefully you can further see how a company located in the U.S. might have standing to challenge in civil court a law that requires that company to spend a significant amount of money to alter their operations by way of a forced migration to a different TLD?

Presumably you also understand that U.S. courts are frequently the venue for international dispute resolution when the dispute arises from enforcement of U.S. law?

Do you really believe that .XXX use could be made mandatory without facing any court scrutiny?

I get the sense that we agree more than we disagree here, honestly.... unless you are of the opinion that .XXX could be made mandatory without that requirement being subject to legal challenge? If so.... well, then I disagree, and I'm happy to simply leave it at that.

voted no.

all domains are controlled by the state of virginia. its a fact. go check.

Technically, in the USA all private business "should" have a business certificate, but it's not from Walmart.. it's from your local government.

And the US government has no problem telling adult businesses where they can and cannot locate their establishment.. They have been doing that forever.

an .xxx tld makes having those current laws that apply to where adult businesses can be located a very easy transition to apply to the internet.

Someone else was talking about .org domains and forcing those to be for charity only, that is like apples and oranges.. there are not large groups of radical people to be a motivational factor like there are groups against porn.

anyone who does not believe .xxx tld is one step towards censorship and potentially forcing porn sites to a redlight district (.xxx) is simply naive.
I agree...

I made mine a little different so it would stand out..

When I see all of those "Please approve the .XXX Registry Agreement" you can tell they were all form letter shit from icmregistry.com/forms And I guarantee 99% of those submissions are complete bullshit made by people not even in the adult industry..

What is the average time for the verification email that you guys have been getting? (I know there was a lag the last few times this crap came up...) I sent my opposition to this like 40 min ago and still no confirmation link...

Remember when Tipper Gore wanted to censor every song made in the USA?

People do crazy things, and they use laws as the basis to launch their craziness.

Less tools in their arsenal, the better.

Just sent my mail. Please let this fucking issue DIE.

A good point I used...

"...snip..... It (.xxx) is like extortion, because to protect our brands we'll have to buy the .XXX of our .COM names, even though we are opposed to supporting this bad idea. /snip "

Send in those emails peeps!

Oh and don't forget when you send the email to look out for and reply to the "confirm email" email they send back to you.

You guys need to send in your support for .XXX...

I wrote a bot and have been using proxys to send thousands of letters of support.

Fuck all of you that support Xbiz but don't support .XXX

So how long after you confirm your e-mail does it take to post on the site. I had to send mine twice as i didnt get a reply e-mail the first time. the second attempt resulted in an e-mail reply, to which i confirmed but still no sign of my e-mail on the site and its been 30 minutes ? Strange stuff :helpme

ya, i asked that same question earlier..

mine took about 60-90 minutes or so..

Thanks. I posted extensives threads at three other boards, in hopes of getting their attention before it was too late.

My bio/background is quite comprehensively covered by past NY Times and other reporters at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cummings

I appreciate the nice things you posted:-).

Now, everybody reading this who hasn't posted yet, do it by tommorow's deadline or be prepared to wish you had---got it? OK!!!!!

Thanks,

It took almost an hour last weekend when I submitted my below comment:

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"I am a REAL stakeholder, with over 10 years in the Sponsored Community! IMO, ICANN needs to determine if ICM and all of the people it's motivated to express support for .xxx are, in fact, REAL stakeholders. IMO, ICANN needs to make certain that ICANN decides who meets stakeholder and sponsored community status, and not be swayed by any ICM subjective preferences/definitions/etc of it.

In my REAL stakeholder opinion, ICANN should permanently and totally deny the ICM .xxx proposal. It seems to me that relatively few Adult Internet people are in favor of it, while conversely, relatively MANY of the REAL stakeholders support ICANN denial of the ICM proposed .xxx contract.

I understand that ICANN might possibly be feeling somewhat swayed due to concern of an ICM lawsuit if .xxx isn't approved for ICM. IMO, ICANN might indeed be involved in a multitude of lawsuits if .xxx ISN'T denied, and those legal actions could be near-term, continuing, and long-term (e.g., if/when government "ghetto-ization" requires REAL STAKEHOLDERS to close sites with .com and other presently recognized tlds, and instead use the ICM .xxx tld; or, when continuing registry and other "issues/problems" come up, etc---this could go on for years and years).

I worry that unless ICANN totally and permanently "kills" .xxx THIS time, ICANN will become so overburdened in resolving matters related to .xxx that ICANN might become unable to properly accomplish its other primary priorities and responsibilities.

I understand that the Free Speech Coalition (FSC) has brought many IMPORTANT issues to ICANN in the last few weeks. IMO, ICANN needs to listen to FSC and resolve all the matters AND requests that FSC has surfaced to ICANN. Like many other REAL stakeholders in the Sponsored Community, FSC is the overall voice for me. ICM does not speak for me (or MANY others of the REAL stakeholders!).

Dave C."

Email sent.

Keep up the good work Dave..

I hope so, that was the idea to begin with.

XXX

If there is money to be made .xxx will proceed, if not this time then the next.

When it does happen (it will happen), legal has nothing to do with it. The Registry's, Registrars, Hosts and ISP's as declared within their TOS have final say.

Any one of the above can stop you dead in your tracks at any time. I would guess the ISPs will/would catch the brunt of it.

The pecking order is Registry > Registrar > Hosting provider > ISP

If the Feds/FCC sent a message saying, "Hey Comcast, if you conduct business within the United States communication infrastructure any adult web site you transmit and distribute MUST use an .xxx TLD." End of story. That would NOT be censorship but rather a simple regulation.

ICANN rules don't mean squat to the people who control final digital distribution. So sure, vote any way you want to about .xxx. Countries will make the final decision in the end. I used the US as an example but it's a global situation.

If you want to stay in business then you should embrace .xxx to show 'good faith' compliance as a responsible internet entity. OR, go ahead and build a wall around yourself with a "can't touch me" attitude. Drive yet another nail in the coffin of adult entertainment. Give the powers that be even more cannon fodder to yank the rug from under the minuscule adult industry.

'Nuff said ...

~

Amen to what he said.

Bump. We need more webmasters to vote NO to .xxx

Bac to the top!
Fuck .XXX and the ASACP :321GFY

Morning Bump

Emailed! :D

If the US goverment says adult must goto .xxx then every commercial business MUST use .com every tv station must use .tv every network/isp must use .net.

I don't see this happening they can't make one industry do it and not the other. Its called discrimination and will be over turned.

Only few hours left to give public comments to ICANN. Write them now! No time to waste!

[email protected]

Remember to click the verification link which will be sent to your email address.

Lunch Bump

BUT THEY ALREADY DO IT RIGHT NOW IN REAL LIFE!

In the real world they have zoning laws, laws that say what part of town is allowed to conduct business, laws that say what part of town a factory can be in, laws that say what is farm land, laws that say what is residential land, laws that say where adult business are permitted, etc..

Funny thing is, they tend to sometimes allow permission for some things like building a business or a residence on farm land, but NEVER allow an exception for adult businesses.

In this case, lets simplify things here: think of residences as .nets, retail outlets as .com's, farm land as .org's, and adult as .xxx and by current laws, you can probably build a house on a .org but most likely cannot put an adult business on one. If we are going by laws on the books in the USA concerning THE REAL WORLD, then it is possible that they could apply these rules to the Internet, because making .xxx takes us one step closer.

No one classifies the current zoning laws as "discrimination", in fact it could be an extremely strong precedence in a court case to move adult sites to .xxx. And what congressman is going to publicly oppose it??? Which guy up for election is gonna stand up and stop it?? They are not censoring it, they are just making the internet safer for children, you wouldn't want to hurt children would you? (That will be the argument that the extremists make, and no government official is going to stand up and argue against those extremists).

Now sure, you could say that the USA cannot make the entire world follow this.. but the problem is that world will follow... Credit card companies, merchant accounts, etc that are based in the USA would not process for adult sites that are not using .xxx, Webhosts based in the USA would not host adult sites that are not using .xxx, Domain registrars based in the USA would not allow adult sites that are not using .xxx.. and so on.. Because of those few reasons it would effectively kill off the majority of non .xxx adult sites. Sure there would be some foreign sites that have a foreign registrar and foreign webhost, but they probably would not be able to process credit cards, therefore they would only promote sponsor programs.. however the next step would be for the USA to say that Affiliate programs cannot allow sites with a non xxx tld to promote them.

If you do not think that is possible.. look at what happened to Gambling... Gambling is permitted all over the USA in specific areas, however they completely wiped it out on the Internet for the USA, if you owned a gambling site your host shut it down, google stopped your ads, etc.. Not saying they could ever eliminate adult sites, just saying that if that impact could be done with Gambling, it's not a far stretch to imagine that they could have some type of impact on Adult.

if you do not think that it .xxx brings us one step closer the disaster I describe above, then you simply have not looked at the big picture..

Time to post (I wonder if those in our Industry who don't post against .xxx are secretly associated with icm????? If so, ?????????????????????????????)

bump bump

And to add insult to injury...

If xxx happens not only will legitimate adult sites be consigned to an online ghetto, but...

Illegal tube sites will most likely be unaffected just as they're currently exempt from 2257 regulations.

And asshats like Fabian and Shap will be laughing all the way to the bank.

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job done, +1