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Our entire problem can be found written on the back of the iphone: "designed in USA, made in china" Our ruling class, CEOS & the politicians, need to go nationalist, destroy the globalism business model & return jobs back to america. That means big fat tariffs on foreign goods & services. Its repugnant that all our major beermakers are now owned by foreign corporations. That its impossible to buy a toy, or clothing, or a computer, made in the USA. American workers are competing with $1/hour in 3rd world countries thanks to globalism. Time to get off the free trade wagon & start building american products for american consumers. It might help also if american parents would make their children put aside the mcdonalds & video games & educate themselves for a higher tech economy. But that may be asking too much. |
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Obama's plan: ship 23,000 oil jobs to Mexico (with our tax money to drill in the gulf) and raise the cost of energy. That should get us right back on track.
Mandate health insurance (not care) Raise taxes on everyone, (the health care bill is a tax) Raise energy costs Ship jobs over the border. Raise taxes on businesses Shut off looo holes so the business just move over seas all together. man I could think of more if I was not tired ha. |
i know. its unlikely we'll ever return to a manufacturing economy. Globalism benefits the CEOS & the politicians so they will never go nationalist. Our economy is now built around the food, entertainment, & banking industries. Everything else is made overseas.
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Oh btw, you guys won't see BFT3K back. Too many people have produced facts that will simply make his head explode. |
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But as you are a solid block of ignorance, you didn't notice that part. |
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If any of you Obama haters want to add something intelligent to this post, which I began, and all of you jumped into, then start by disputing the original 10 points that were laid out, and stop redirecting the discussion. |
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You are an ass clown. :thumbsup |
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Too easy to simply hurl insults. Too easy for you to be this board's number one troll. :thumbsup |
i am going to put an end to this shit.
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the problem with retorting your original post is that its based on an obscure political blog that presents information fox news style from the left. You attack & attack fox noise but your own source of political information is hopelessly partisan itself.
As far as i can tell, the republicans aren't offering anything substantial to steer our economy in the right direction. They promise spending cuts but never never never get specific. So i can't really go to bat for the repubs. But trying to retort a warped presentation of what republicans will do is a folly. I may as well analyze Colberts "keep fear alive" rally because thats just as substantial as your political blog. |
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They do NOT want to repeal the healthcare bill, they do NOT want to extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, they do NOT want to repeal Wall Street reform, etc? Wow, that is big news! I guess there is no difference between the 2 sides then after all. Thanks for sorting all of that out for us! |
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and even if congress changes power, what do you think will be accomplished? i will tell you, nothing... but, the teabaggers will just really hone in on obama and blame him until we get a republican in the white house.. and then all the democrats will be running around in some new clever organization like the teabaggers.. and 4 more years are wasted and we still have the same problems and the same arguments.. what i always find interesting about these topics are how heated and emotional they get.. what i find more interesting is all the name calling and not much in the offering of solutions.. both sides attack each other and try to destroy the other credibility very similar to what the two parties do to each other.. so, by default, anyone who calls another person stupid instead of responding with any kind of intelligent response is really the ignorant one. there is no perfect fix for a world that is run by human beings because human beings are not perfect.. in fact human beings are evil, greedy, and vile creatures by design.. i have given up on the hope that the govt is ever going to serve anyone else but themselves and corporate interests.. i am ok with that since i have now adopted the philosophy that i am going to be just like the govt. i am going to look out for my best interests and my best interests only... so have fun with these threads, they accomplish nothing... :thumbsup \ . |
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Honestly nobody knows what either party will DO when they get power. They both SAY they will do things. then they dont happen. Remember Obamas 90 day freeze on foreclosures? came straight out of his mouth on his video intro before his convention speech. When will you understand that neither party is your friend. & singling out 1 side as if the other will do the right thing is a waste of energy. & using low grade political blogs that say republicans will turn the moon blue does not contribute to your cause. |
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2. I never said either party was going to fix anything. 3. You seem to only criticize those supporting the right, whereas you're nonexistent when someone is verbally fellating the left. Try and be consistent with your thoughts. Pretending to be objective doesn't work. |
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i think the democrats have done a horrible job. i think obama has also done a shit job.. what i find interesting though is that whenever someone posts something about the right, the same people come in and start the same name calling. maybe i am missing something, but i don't see that happen the other way around here.. in any case, i think both sides suck and i have stated hundreds of times that govt as a whole needs to be replaced. how is that not being objective? i hate both sides equally.. if i repeat myself in certain threads, i am repeating myself so that maybe one day people will wake up and realize that if they want change, they are going to have to dismantle the whole system.. i have actually seen more and more comments lately of people blaming both sides and not just one.. this seems like good progress to me and i hope that this attitude spreads.. i will also say that i like the fact that the teabaggers are sending a message that they will vote your republican ass out of office if they dont like what you are doing and not just attacking the other side.. this is the kind of movement that this country needs, minus the attacking of the other side... united we stand, divided we fall has more meaning in this country than ever before, at least i think it does... . |
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You people are actively seeking to support a radical wing of the religious right (aka FOX News and it's so called "Tea Party") who will make destroying porn JOB ONE and you are doing so under the misguided impression that since Bush didn't outlaw porn then the Tea Party won't either..fuck you guys are out of touch with reality. I will be back to remind you of this thread in a couple years when your foul hypocrisy is revealed. |
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I believe BOTH sides of the aisle are owned by special interests. I believe that without term limits and campaign finance reform, we are all being played. I believe SOME people get into politics to make a positive change, but that very often, they find they are sucked into the muck just as quickly. BUT, what I also believe is... The corporate powers that be, prefer Republicans to be in power, because, although the Dems are a mixed bag as well, they are not in solid lockstep with ALL of the corporations at ALL times. Make fun of Obama's healthcare plan as much as you like, but at least it is SOMETHING! At least it ATTEMPTS to make a few corrections. Make fun of Obama's Wall Street reform plan as much as you like, but at least it is SOMETHING! At least it ATTEMPTS to make a few corrections. And on and on.... Both sides are happy to fuck over the regular folk - but the GOP does it with more enthusiasm, and with no shame whatsoever. |
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There is a strong tea party backlash in this country. They aren't going to win many seats with their candidates.
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DEMS REPUGS/TEABAGS (same thing) Why does your wish that the whole government needs to be tossed out matter? That is a third option that doesn't now, nor will ever, exist. You might as well come into these threads and say you wish a blonde virgin with wings flew in through your window, landed on your floor, and started sucking your cock. |
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& you know what i think of health care & wall street reforms. Garbage that fixes nothing at all. The wall street law was so empty the actual regulations are going to be written at the cabinet level. Nobody has a clue what it will do. However its guaranteed those with high priced access will get their 2 cents in what gets written. My opinion is that the dems have done a huge dis-service to america, passing a "stimulus" that stimulated nothing, a health reform that changes nothing, a bank bill that changes nothing. People have less trust in government solutions then ever. so if you believe the government has affirmative solutions to the countries problems, these democrats flushed that idea down the toilet & handed the teabaggers a big gift. Confirmation that government cannot solve problems. At least the GOP admits in hushed tones its favortisms. Dems talk like they are out to help the people & its a massive fraud. |
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they are weak rhetoric AND logical fallacies, and by definition, it's close to impossible to actually win an argument with them. let the other side use them, but avoid them yourself, or use them sparingly as an accompaniment to more substantive arguments. i realize you have fun with the ad hominem, but, it doesn't work. added - the chosen quote was just to make it clear I was aiming these comments directly to you, it has no other connection to what I am saying. |
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throughout history people have stood up and sacrificed everything to become free of oppression.. and many times they were incredibly outnumbered and in some cases they ultimately failed, but they tried... i honestly believe that if the economy becomes bad enough, there is a good chance that people may decide that enough is enough.. unfortunately, i dont see a leader/s that would direct the peoples focus in the right place... like i said, i have resigned myself from the political system. i have no faith in it and i dont think it will change. . |
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where's the repudiation of offensive empire, repudiation of the war on drugs and other victimless crime, and the emphasis on effective justice and fair courts? true, libertarians aren't very libertarian anymore, the party has been co-opted. sadly, by definition, libertarians can't govern. |
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Those are all fine ideas...... but unfortunately I don't think most of that will happen. Sounds good though. :thumbsup |
This, supposedly, is the draft of the document.
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I think Americans (and Canadians...) in general have relied on their government for far too long, and as a result they see the government as needing to provide the answers to their problems. Yet time and time again the politicians prove how inept they are at doing anything other than what they do on the campaign trail. These people are good at smiling, nodding, and taking advice for the most part, what else? All of the top talent in your country goes to business, science, medical fields, etc. None of them go into politics. Even in my own family I've seen it first hand. My family could have pooled their money together each month and bought a mansion. We have such a small family, it would be easy. Yet everyone wants to live alone and hug their just-paying-their-bills lifestyle, just for privacy or independence or... a not letting your family see who you really are kind of vanity. Families need to take care of each other and solve their own problems and live within their means. Junior needs to stop buying a new BMW 3 series the first time the bank will let him at 20 years old and start handing over some cash to his dad to say yo, thanks for taking care of mom pop's. Whatever. My plan? Save save save, get the fuck outta dodge to somewhere sunny where the government isn't ramming some new half-baked idea down our throats every 3 months. |
This thread is a perfect representation of what is happening in US politics today. There is a lot of name calling, no one listening to other people's point of view and only looking for openings to attack
If you are a republican or lean that way understand that this was started by Deminte, his famous Waterloo comment and the R's lining up in opposition to EVERYTHING that Obama or the Ds wanted to work through. Note: they did not offer alternatives, just say no was their hilarious response to everything. I got over that type of behavior in about the third grade. You know I wouldn't have even minded if they had come up with something other than blatant pandering to their multi-billionaire owners with tax cuts... tax cuts tax cuts tax cuts is the only thing pouring out of their sucks. It will be at least interesting to see what they come up with. At least it will hopefully be something debated. the problem, plain and simple is that the majority of the Tea Party want candidates who will not compromise. Seriously, wtf is politics if not the art of compromise??? If the tone of the dialogue in this country does not change and change dramatically ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISLE.... this country is going to fall to shit a lot quicker then anyone wants to admit... so yeah, call names back and forth, attack, attack and attack a few more times. You're being helpful :thumbsup |
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it's a 'retarded babies first excursion into politics' club. heh. |
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I love the idea of politicians who strongly disagree with each other having to find middle ground...to have to compromise to come to a solution.... in this way no one is happy but the result tends to be the best one at the end of the day. I agree with pretty much every point you make politically and disagree with the demon and vendzilla and a few others with pretty much every character they type but I wont call them names and I hope they show me the same respect. No I am not trying to blame you or them but to let the discussions fall into the name calling, fingers in the ears singing "La La La' realm, while disappointing, does seem to mirror the current political climate in the US.... That is not only unfortunate but potentially disastrous for us both economically as well as socially. :2 cents: |
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