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There is a strong tea party backlash in this country. They aren't going to win many seats with their candidates.
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DEMS REPUGS/TEABAGS (same thing) Why does your wish that the whole government needs to be tossed out matter? That is a third option that doesn't now, nor will ever, exist. You might as well come into these threads and say you wish a blonde virgin with wings flew in through your window, landed on your floor, and started sucking your cock. |
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& you know what i think of health care & wall street reforms. Garbage that fixes nothing at all. The wall street law was so empty the actual regulations are going to be written at the cabinet level. Nobody has a clue what it will do. However its guaranteed those with high priced access will get their 2 cents in what gets written. My opinion is that the dems have done a huge dis-service to america, passing a "stimulus" that stimulated nothing, a health reform that changes nothing, a bank bill that changes nothing. People have less trust in government solutions then ever. so if you believe the government has affirmative solutions to the countries problems, these democrats flushed that idea down the toilet & handed the teabaggers a big gift. Confirmation that government cannot solve problems. At least the GOP admits in hushed tones its favortisms. Dems talk like they are out to help the people & its a massive fraud. |
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they are weak rhetoric AND logical fallacies, and by definition, it's close to impossible to actually win an argument with them. let the other side use them, but avoid them yourself, or use them sparingly as an accompaniment to more substantive arguments. i realize you have fun with the ad hominem, but, it doesn't work. added - the chosen quote was just to make it clear I was aiming these comments directly to you, it has no other connection to what I am saying. |
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throughout history people have stood up and sacrificed everything to become free of oppression.. and many times they were incredibly outnumbered and in some cases they ultimately failed, but they tried... i honestly believe that if the economy becomes bad enough, there is a good chance that people may decide that enough is enough.. unfortunately, i dont see a leader/s that would direct the peoples focus in the right place... like i said, i have resigned myself from the political system. i have no faith in it and i dont think it will change. . |
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where's the repudiation of offensive empire, repudiation of the war on drugs and other victimless crime, and the emphasis on effective justice and fair courts? true, libertarians aren't very libertarian anymore, the party has been co-opted. sadly, by definition, libertarians can't govern. |
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Those are all fine ideas...... but unfortunately I don't think most of that will happen. Sounds good though. :thumbsup |
This, supposedly, is the draft of the document.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...e_09222010.pdf Here's a section - its a long winded document, and not terribly clear as a draft. Quote:
republicans rarely if ever mention their own additions to the deficit. in a few days someone will have distilled this long document down to a series of stated goals. |
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I think Americans (and Canadians...) in general have relied on their government for far too long, and as a result they see the government as needing to provide the answers to their problems. Yet time and time again the politicians prove how inept they are at doing anything other than what they do on the campaign trail. These people are good at smiling, nodding, and taking advice for the most part, what else? All of the top talent in your country goes to business, science, medical fields, etc. None of them go into politics. Even in my own family I've seen it first hand. My family could have pooled their money together each month and bought a mansion. We have such a small family, it would be easy. Yet everyone wants to live alone and hug their just-paying-their-bills lifestyle, just for privacy or independence or... a not letting your family see who you really are kind of vanity. Families need to take care of each other and solve their own problems and live within their means. Junior needs to stop buying a new BMW 3 series the first time the bank will let him at 20 years old and start handing over some cash to his dad to say yo, thanks for taking care of mom pop's. Whatever. My plan? Save save save, get the fuck outta dodge to somewhere sunny where the government isn't ramming some new half-baked idea down our throats every 3 months. |
This thread is a perfect representation of what is happening in US politics today. There is a lot of name calling, no one listening to other people's point of view and only looking for openings to attack
If you are a republican or lean that way understand that this was started by Deminte, his famous Waterloo comment and the R's lining up in opposition to EVERYTHING that Obama or the Ds wanted to work through. Note: they did not offer alternatives, just say no was their hilarious response to everything. I got over that type of behavior in about the third grade. You know I wouldn't have even minded if they had come up with something other than blatant pandering to their multi-billionaire owners with tax cuts... tax cuts tax cuts tax cuts is the only thing pouring out of their sucks. It will be at least interesting to see what they come up with. At least it will hopefully be something debated. the problem, plain and simple is that the majority of the Tea Party want candidates who will not compromise. Seriously, wtf is politics if not the art of compromise??? If the tone of the dialogue in this country does not change and change dramatically ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISLE.... this country is going to fall to shit a lot quicker then anyone wants to admit... so yeah, call names back and forth, attack, attack and attack a few more times. You're being helpful :thumbsup |
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it's a 'retarded babies first excursion into politics' club. heh. |
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I love the idea of politicians who strongly disagree with each other having to find middle ground...to have to compromise to come to a solution.... in this way no one is happy but the result tends to be the best one at the end of the day. I agree with pretty much every point you make politically and disagree with the demon and vendzilla and a few others with pretty much every character they type but I wont call them names and I hope they show me the same respect. No I am not trying to blame you or them but to let the discussions fall into the name calling, fingers in the ears singing "La La La' realm, while disappointing, does seem to mirror the current political climate in the US.... That is not only unfortunate but potentially disastrous for us both economically as well as socially. :2 cents: |
So here is the ACTUAL pledge....
Just in case anyone is interested in actually reading something that they are debating about.... (unlike our congress) http://www.scribd.com/doc/37958976/G...dge-to-America . |
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Good lord, now it's coming out that lobbyists wrote the draft. How fitting.
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Actually the Bush tax cut isn't just for wealthy individuals it has a much bigger affect on small-med. sized businesses in this country, which has significantly affects the unemployement rate in this country. To tell you the truth, the Tea Party is starting to look attractive compared to the current alternative.
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The 1990s was the climax of American society. There is nothing any version of the US government can do to get us back there in a reasonable period of time that voters would agree with.
The sooner Americans accept that the current economy is pretty much the new normal economy, the sooner we can adjust. That won't happen though. People will naturally continue to demand a return to 90's living and refuse to pay the piper for decades of borrowed wealth. This ultimately comes down to the baby boomer generation - the so-called greatest generation - having actually been the most financially destructive generation in the history of the US. |
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that the tea party is based on lower and lowest-middle class boomer rage at the loss of their promised american dream seems a fairly accurate summary. |
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It's actually is as simple as that: mortgage securities being de-regulated in the 80's and 90's caused the collapse, then the rage came with the lower class boomers fueled by racism from having a black President presiding over the demise. |
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